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    toosmooth

    [1101]Apr 23, 2008
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    Spike815 wrote:
    toosmooth wrote:
    All of you are ridiculous. Lol I was just kidding and mean no offence. But seriously. Whatever happens, happens. Why make such a big deal out of it. In the words of Lisa, "Im one of the most rare shiipers out there: Neutral."


    To win, you have to play the game.
    I think this explanation wins.
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    waterbender6025

    [1102]Apr 23, 2008
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    toosmooth wrote:
    Lol. But I dont understand. Why argue about it?
    what else are we supposed to do during this way way too long hiatus?
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    AnimeAngel90

    [1103]Apr 23, 2008
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    waterbender6025 wrote:
    toosmooth wrote:
    Lol. But I dont understand. Why argue about it?
    what else are we supposed to do during this way way too long hiatus?
    its either this or go crazy and charge nickelodeon with rather pointy objects on which things can be impaled. And maybe some torches and pitchforks too. And whatever else we can find at the time.

    So yeah, arguing is much more preferable
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    SgtHydra

    [1104]Apr 23, 2008
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    Zutara is hotter in bed.

    Kataang is the first ship to defy Rule 34.

    *goes back to lurking*

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    Dawrel

    [1105]Apr 23, 2008
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    Something will probably happen to make Kataang seem less likely and then it'll happen anyway in the finale.
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    Blaster33456

    [1106]Apr 24, 2008
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    Wow..Dawrel pretty much could've hit the bat with that.
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    AnimeAngel90

    [1107]Apr 24, 2008
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    SgtHydra wrote:

    Zutara is hotter in bed.

    Kataang is the first ship to defy Rule 34.

    *goes back to lurking*

    *joins in the lurking*
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    AnimeAngel90

    [1108]Apr 24, 2008
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    AnimeAngel90 wrote:
    SgtHydra wrote:

    Zutara is hotter in bed.

    Kataang is the first ship to defy Rule 34.

    *goes back to lurking*

    *joins in the lurking*
    *changes mind after visiting DA motivational poster thread* Be prepared for a massive rant over a 3-second clip, in true zutarian style

    Ok, issue of double standards in rival ships. Most obvious one I'm gonna go with is hugs. Zutarians always claimed that kataang hugs didn't count as romance. Now that we have a hug, we're all saying its canon and Kataangers are now saying hugs don't count (which they kinda have a right to do after all our snobbishness, lol).

    However, to argue this, I will point out that obviously, katara and aang have hugged many times. It is a symbol of their relationship/frienship/whatever its called. However, the reason zutarians can spazz is that it is ZUKO and KATARA hugging. Aang and Katara hugged a billion times, its nothing special (sure its sweet, but we've seen it so many times before, and its expected of the two). But this was zuko and katara. The only time Zuko has hugged ANYONE was a very brief awkward hug with Iroh. He never hugged Mai. He only ever kissed her, and usually she initiated the kisses (pulling his face towards her etc).

    And considering how Zuko is often quite stiff and formal (well, at least, appears generally uncomfortable with affection) and whatnot, its highly unusual for him, transformation or not, to display such obvious affection (friendly or otherwise) for someone, especially someone who recently threatened to kill him. Zuko does not go around hugging people and handing out necklaces of flowers and smiling all the time. No, he does not. That would be very disturbing, and make me wonder which fanfic OOC zuko came from. Anyways, my point is, Zuko does not hug people. So why does he hug Katara? Granted, she flew at him, but if he was being his usual self he probably would have just stood there awkwardly until she moved away. He didn't need to hug her, and if he was acting like his usual self, he wouldn't have. It was entirely his choice, but considering his past actions, its a very unusual one for him.

    Now, to Katara. Yes, she has hugged Aang a million times, hugged Haru, hugged Sokka, and is basically a very affectionate and open person (shown by her frequent hugs and kisses to people she cares about). So yes, it is much easier to see her hugging Zuko - her personality is just open and friendly like that. However, we must take into account how much their relationship must change for her to hug him especially as it was seemingly for comfort (either herself or him, nobody knows. But I think most people agree it was comfort/forgiveness at least). She threatened to kill him. She currently despises him, doesn't trust him, and whatnot. Friendly as she is, I do not see her suddenly going and hugging him. Sure, she opened up to him in CoD, and has shown she's not afraid to open up a bit to people she views as enemies, but still, this is a bit much even for Katara.

    She hugs someone she recently hated. Obviously she's gotten over that, but I'm pretty sure she'd have to feel pretty comfortable around Zuko to just fly at him like that. And, considering her hatred of him now....dammit, I just want to see what he does to make her forgive him! lol

    Ok, so Katara isn't really the point here. She's friendly and huggable to everybody. The main issue is ZUKO. Zuko is closed-off, and not very affectionate. Hugging Katara is a HUGE step for him - particularly putting his arms around her waist. I suppose it was a natural step considering how she flew at him and all, but still, he could have just stood there and done nothing but look awkward.

    Also, they both seem to take comfort from this hug, meaning they both feel comfortable enough with each other to do so. I dunno, just because its so unusual, it just has more meaning to me than the 100+ kataang hugs.



    There. My long rant is over. Feel free to laugh at how much time I just wasted ranting over a barely-3-second clip of a trailer. But I don't care. I waste time. Its what I do. Plus, I'm a Zutarian. Making a lot out of nothing is what I do best

    (and for those of you who say its a dream, my argument still stands. Why would zuko and katara, or even Aang, dream about that hug? Unless it meant something, its a totally poinless thing to dream about. Surely, if Aang was dreaming, he'd come up with a lot worse, lol. And Zuko or Katara dreaming that - I think that would pretty much say they like each other. You guys better hope its the real thing, its much more easily explained away as friendship/comfort then, lol.)
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    rockon45

    [1109]Apr 24, 2008
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    AnimeAngel90 wrote:
    AnimeAngel90 wrote:
    SgtHydra wrote:

    Zutara is hotter in bed.

    Kataang is the first ship to defy Rule 34.

    *goes back to lurking*

    *joins in the lurking*
    *changes mind after visiting DA motivational poster thread* Be prepared for a massive rant over a 3-second clip, in true zutarian style

    Ok, issue of double standards in rival ships. Most obvious one I'm gonna go with is hugs. Zutarians always claimed that kataang hugs didn't count as romance. Now that we have a hug, we're all saying its canon and Kataangers are now saying hugs don't count (which they kinda have a right to do after all our snobbishness, lol).

    However, to argue this, I will point out that obviously, katara and aang have hugged many times. It is a symbol of their relationship/frienship/whatever its called. However, the reason zutarians can spazz is that it is ZUKO and KATARA hugging. Aang and Katara hugged a billion times, its nothing special (sure its sweet, but we've seen it so many times before, and its expected of the two). But this was zuko and katara. The only time Zuko has hugged ANYONE was a very brief awkward hug with Iroh. He never hugged Mai. He only ever kissed her, and usually she initiated the kisses (pulling his face towards her etc).

    And considering how Zuko is often quite stiff and formal (well, at least, appears generally uncomfortable with affection) and whatnot, its highly unusual for him, transformation or not, to display such obvious affection (friendly or otherwise) for someone, especially someone who recently threatened to kill him. Zuko does not go around hugging people and handing out necklaces of flowers and smiling all the time. No, he does not. That would be very disturbing, and make me wonder which fanfic OOC zuko came from. Anyways, my point is, Zuko does not hug people. So why does he hug Katara? Granted, she flew at him, but if he was being his usual self he probably would have just stood there awkwardly until she moved away. He didn't need to hug her, and if he was acting like his usual self, he wouldn't have. It was entirely his choice, but considering his past actions, its a very unusual one for him.

    Now, to Katara. Yes, she has hugged Aang a million times, hugged Haru, hugged Sokka, and is basically a very affectionate and open person (shown by her frequent hugs and kisses to people she cares about). So yes, it is much easier to see her hugging Zuko - her personality is just open and friendly like that. However, we must take into account how much their relationship must change for her to hug him especially as it was seemingly for comfort (either herself or him, nobody knows. But I think most people agree it was comfort/forgiveness at least). She threatened to kill him. She currently despises him, doesn't trust him, and whatnot. Friendly as she is, I do not see her suddenly going and hugging him. Sure, she opened up to him in CoD, and has shown she's not afraid to open up a bit to people she views as enemies, but still, this is a bit much even for Katara.

    She hugs someone she recently hated. Obviously she's gotten over that, but I'm pretty sure she'd have to feel pretty comfortable around Zuko to just fly at him like that. And, considering her hatred of him now....dammit, I just want to see what he does to make her forgive him! lol

    Ok, so Katara isn't really the point here. She's friendly and huggable to everybody. The main issue is ZUKO. Zuko is closed-off, and not very affectionate. Hugging Katara is a HUGE step for him - particularly putting his arms around her waist. I suppose it was a natural step considering how she flew at him and all, but still, he could have just stood there and done nothing but look awkward.

    Also, they both seem to take comfort from this hug, meaning they both feel comfortable enough with each other to do so. I dunno, just because its so unusual, it just has more meaning to me than the 100+ kataang hugs.


    There. My long rant is over. Feel free to laugh at how much time I just wasted ranting over a barely-3-second clip of a trailer. But I don't care. I waste time. Its what I do. Plus, I'm a Zutarian. Making a lot out of nothing is what I do best

    (and for those of you who say its a dream, my argument still stands. Why would zuko and katara, or even Aang, dream about that hug? Unless it meant something, its a totally poinless thing to dream about. Surely, if Aang was dreaming, he'd come up with a lot worse, lol. And Zuko or Katara dreaming that - I think that would pretty much say they like each other. You guys better hope its the real thing, its much more easily explained away as friendship/comfort then, lol.)
    Nicely put! I didn't hear one Zutara Pwns in that post. I'm impressed.
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    Spacerac

    [1110]Apr 24, 2008
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    I know it's no dream, though it's possible it could be Aang's dream. Anyway, I really think we just have to see what happened.
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    SgtHydra

    [1111]Apr 24, 2008
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    To respond to one message or another:

    ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY WALK INTO MORDOR!

    Er... ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY HUG ZUZU!

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    tomtitan

    [1112]Apr 24, 2008
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    SgtHydra wrote:

    ***SPOILER***
    Fix'd.
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    avataraang4

    [1113]Apr 24, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    SgtHydra wrote:

    ***SPOILER***
    Fix'd.

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    rockon45

    [1114]Apr 24, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    I know it's no dream, though it's possible it could be Aang's dream. Anyway, I really think we just have to see what happened.
    Why does it look like aang kissing katara is a dream to me?
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    Spacerac

    [1115]Apr 24, 2008
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    rockon45 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    I know it's no dream, though it's possible it could be Aang's dream. Anyway, I really think we just have to see what happened.
    Why does it look like aang kissing katara is a dream to me?
    I'm talking about the Zutara hug.
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    rockon45

    [1116]Apr 24, 2008
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    But I'm just saying.
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    Lindz-Chan

    [1117]Apr 24, 2008
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    AnimeAngel90 wrote:
    AnimeAngel90 wrote:
    SgtHydra wrote:

    Zutara is hotter in bed.

    Kataang is the first ship to defy Rule 34.

    *goes back to lurking*

    *joins in the lurking*
    *changes mind after visiting DA motivational poster thread* Be prepared for a massive rant over a 3-second clip, in true zutarian style

    Ok, issue of double standards in rival ships. Most obvious one I'm gonna go with is hugs. Zutarians always claimed that kataang hugs didn't count as romance. Now that we have a hug, we're all saying its canon and Kataangers are now saying hugs don't count (which they kinda have a right to do after all our snobbishness, lol).

    However, to argue this, I will point out that obviously, katara and aang have hugged many times. It is a symbol of their relationship/frienship/whatever its called. However, the reason zutarians can spazz is that it is ZUKO and KATARA hugging. Aang and Katara hugged a billion times, its nothing special (sure its sweet, but we've seen it so many times before, and its expected of the two). But this was zuko and katara. The only time Zuko has hugged ANYONE was a very brief awkward hug with Iroh. He never hugged Mai. He only ever kissed her, and usually she initiated the kisses (pulling his face towards her etc).

    And considering how Zuko is often quite stiff and formal (well, at least, appears generally uncomfortable with affection) and whatnot, its highly unusual for him, transformation or not, to display such obvious affection (friendly or otherwise) for someone, especially someone who recently threatened to kill him. Zuko does not go around hugging people and handing out necklaces of flowers and smiling all the time. No, he does not. That would be very disturbing, and make me wonder which fanfic OOC zuko came from. Anyways, my point is, Zuko does not hug people. So why does he hug Katara? Granted, she flew at him, but if he was being his usual self he probably would have just stood there awkwardly until she moved away. He didn't need to hug her, and if he was acting like his usual self, he wouldn't have. It was entirely his choice, but considering his past actions, its a very unusual one for him.

    Now, to Katara. Yes, she has hugged Aang a million times, hugged Haru, hugged Sokka, and is basically a very affectionate and open person (shown by her frequent hugs and kisses to people she cares about). So yes, it is much easier to see her hugging Zuko - her personality is just open and friendly like that. However, we must take into account how much their relationship must change for her to hug him especially as it was seemingly for comfort (either herself or him, nobody knows. But I think most people agree it was comfort/forgiveness at least). She threatened to kill him. She currently despises him, doesn't trust him, and whatnot. Friendly as she is, I do not see her suddenly going and hugging him. Sure, she opened up to him in CoD, and has shown she's not afraid to open up a bit to people she views as enemies, but still, this is a bit much even for Katara.

    She hugs someone she recently hated. Obviously she's gotten over that, but I'm pretty sure she'd have to feel pretty comfortable around Zuko to just fly at him like that. And, considering her hatred of him now....dammit, I just want to see what he does to make her forgive him! lol

    Ok, so Katara isn't really the point here. She's friendly and huggable to everybody. The main issue is ZUKO. Zuko is closed-off, and not very affectionate. Hugging Katara is a HUGE step for him - particularly putting his arms around her waist. I suppose it was a natural step considering how she flew at him and all, but still, he could have just stood there and done nothing but look awkward.

    Also, they both seem to take comfort from this hug, meaning they both feel comfortable enough with each other to do so. I dunno, just because its so unusual, it just has more meaning to me than the 100+ kataang hugs.


    There. My long rant is over. Feel free to laugh at how much time I just wasted ranting over a barely-3-second clip of a trailer. But I don't care. I waste time. Its what I do. Plus, I'm a Zutarian. Making a lot out of nothing is what I do best

    (and for those of you who say its a dream, my argument still stands. Why would zuko and katara, or even Aang, dream about that hug? Unless it meant something, its a totally poinless thing to dream about. Surely, if Aang was dreaming, he'd come up with a lot worse, lol. And Zuko or Katara dreaming that - I think that would pretty much say they like each other. You guys better hope its the real thing, its much more easily explained away as friendship/comfort then, lol.)

    i accually read all that O_O
    By the way... WIN xD
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    WiseLad

    [1118]Apr 24, 2008
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    no hugs of maiko?

    One

    two as he doesn't look forced to put his arm around her

    plus he also hugged his mom not just iroh

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    Spacerac

    [1119]Apr 24, 2008
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    WiseLad wrote:

    no hugs of maiko?

    One

    two as he doesn't look forced to put his arm around her

    plus he also hugged his mom not just iroh

    Yah... forgot to mention that.
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    aalaois

    [1120]Apr 24, 2008
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    step 1: katara forgives and gets comfortable with zuko

    step 2: something happens which makes katara think something terrible has happenned to aang

    step 3: katara throws hereself on zuko for comfort; sokka is not around, perhaps he was with aang and she thinks both are lost

    that's my read of the hug, though it is obviously the best potential "in" zutarians have had since the commercials for The Crossroads of Destiny. for the first time ever, I'm actually seeing the potential for the struggle between zutara and kataang as a choice for katara to be canon... before I was absolutely convinced no zutarian romantic interest at all would exist but now I'm not so sure... but no one can deny that if it is introduced, the clear implication for the main story arc is that it's going to drive a wedge between Aang and Zuko, the two who are most intricately connected to the destiny of restoring balance... I could see it coming to fisticuffs... or bendicuffs... and the resolution of that will be tied up in the resolution of the whole series (potentially with either Aang or Zuko not making it out alive, to me it's more likely Zuko that'll be the final tragic figure)

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