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    LeonMorado

    [1041]Apr 23, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    Ah well, the Zutarian ones stand out more to me
    of course they do, just like kataangers claiming canon when katara has still never reciprocated any or aang's romantic interest stand out to me.
    Kataangel wrote:

    Kataang's already happened:

    http://dvdscreenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/310/408.jpg

    How 'vague' is that. Why do you still deny it? Have you taken your anti-psychotics yet?

    case in point.
    Edited on 04/23/2008 10:21am
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    Spacerac

    [1042]Apr 23, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Ah well, the Zutarian ones stand out more to me
    of course they do, just like kataangers claiming canon when katara has still never reciprocated any or aang's romantic interest stand out to me.
    Kataangel wrote:

    Kataang's already happened:

    http://dvdscreenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/310/408.jpg

    How 'vague' is that. Why do you still deny it? Have you taken your anti-psychotics yet?

    case in point.
    See, this is why I said shipping isn't fun anymore, cause people keep just trying to "one-up" people. It's one thing if you make fun of what they say, it's another when you make fun of a specific person.

    Anyway, through my eyes, I still stand that Katara clearly reciprocates the kiss, and later on it will be revealed that she did, thusly ending this shipping war.
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    LeonMorado

    [1043]Apr 23, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    Anyway, through my eyes, I still stand that Katara clearly reciprocates the kiss, and later on it will be revealed that she did, thusly ending this shipping war.
    you can't reveal something that's already been made clear. in any case, mike and bryan said themselves that her reaction was meant to be ambiguous. when i saw the scene it was clear to me that she wasn't happy with aang kissing her, but we each saw in her expression what we wanted to see based on what we assume she felt toward aang, so the DOBS kiss discussion is moot.
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    speechless8582

    [1044]Apr 23, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Anyway, through my eyes, I still stand that Katara clearly reciprocates the kiss, and later on it will be revealed that she did, thusly ending this shipping war.
    you can't reveal something that's already been made clear. in any case, mike and bryan said themselves that her reaction was meant to be ambiguous. when i saw the scene it was clear to me that she wasn't happy with aang kissing her, but we each saw in her expression what we wanted to see based on what we assume she felt toward aang, so the DOBS kiss discussion is moot.

    In the words of Bryan Konietzko, "people see what they want to see."

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    Spacerac

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    speechless8582 wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Anyway, through my eyes, I still stand that Katara clearly reciprocates the kiss, and later on it will be revealed that she did, thusly ending this shipping war.
    you can't reveal something that's already been made clear. in any case, mike and bryan said themselves that her reaction was meant to be ambiguous. when i saw the scene it was clear to me that she wasn't happy with aang kissing her, but we each saw in her expression what we wanted to see based on what we assume she felt toward aang, so the DOBS kiss discussion is moot.

    In the words of Bryan Konietzko, "people see what they want to see."
    But they also said Katara's expression is ambiguous (for now.)
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    Valin610

    [1046]Apr 23, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Anyway, through my eyes, I still stand that Katara clearly reciprocates the kiss, and later on it will be revealed that she did, thusly ending this shipping war.
    you can't reveal something that's already been made clear. in any case, mike and bryan said themselves that her reaction was meant to be ambiguous. when i saw the scene it was clear to me that she wasn't happy with aang kissing her, but we each saw in her expression what we wanted to see based on what we assume she felt toward aang, so the DOBS kiss discussion is moot.

    In the words of Bryan Konietzko, "people see what they want to see."
    But they also said Katara's expression is ambiguous (for now.)


    The DoBS kiss that is. But the new kiss, they haven't mentioned; so it comes down to what Aang says before he kisses her to make her react that way. Which can be a multitude of things, positive and/or negative.
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    kaybee_2

    [1047]Apr 23, 2008
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    You guys missed the point of posting the kiss pic in the first place -- whether Katara wanted it or not, it's still proof that Kataang is canon. Actually, the first time it was directly revealed that Aang had a crush on Katara was what really made Kataang canon for the first time.

    Unfortunately, however, a hug does not make a ship canon. Unless it's PROVEN to be a romantic hug, it's still fanon. It doesn't matter what we all think about it; it's still not canon evidence unless we KNOW it was done with romantic intentions. If there's a proven romantic connection -- it doesn't matter whether it's one-sided or requited -- then the ship officially becomes canon.

    Kataang is obviously canon and has been for a long time; nobody can deny that. Tokka is also canon, because the creators have literally revealed to us that Toph has a crush on Sokka. However, if all we had for evidence was the "kiss", it WOULDN'T be canon because that's up for interpretation. But since the creators have told us that she has a crush on him, it's canon. Got me so far? As of now, the only romantic evidence Zutara has is all the product of interpretation and speculation. If a ship can become canon because of a hug, Taang (and almost every other couple of friends of the opposite sex on the show) would all be canon couples.
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    speechless8582

    [1048]Apr 23, 2008
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    kaybee_2 wrote:
    You guys missed the point of posting the kiss pic in the first place -- whether Katara wanted it or not, it's still proof that Kataang is canon. Actually, the first time it was directly revealed that Aang had a crush on Katara was what really made Kataang canon for the first time. Unfortunately, however, a hug does not make a ship canon. Unless it's PROVEN to be a romantic hug, it's still fanon. It doesn't matter what we all think about it; it's still not canon evidence unless we KNOW it was done with romantic intentions. If there's a proven romantic connection -- it doesn't matter whether it's one-sided or requited -- then the ship officially becomes canon. Kataang is obviously canon and has been for a long time; nobody can deny that. Tokka is also canon, because the creators have literally revealed to us that Toph has a crush on Sokka. However, if all we had for evidence was the "kiss", it WOULDN'T be canon because that's up for interpretation. But since the creators have told us that she has a crush on him, it's canon. Got me so far? As of now, the only romantic evidence Zutara has is all the product of interpretation and speculation. If a ship can become canon because of a hug, Taang (and almost every other couple of friends of the opposite sex on the show) would all be canon couples.

    however, whether a romantic hug or not, the hug between Katara and Zuko shows trust. And trust, really, is the first step towards anything Zutara happening. It shows that their relationship is getting stronger. whether to just being freinds or more than that, we don't know.

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    kaybee_2

    [1049]Apr 23, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:

    kaybee_2 wrote:
    You guys missed the point of posting the kiss pic in the first place -- whether Katara wanted it or not, it's still proof that Kataang is canon. Actually, the first time it was directly revealed that Aang had a crush on Katara was what really made Kataang canon for the first time. Unfortunately, however, a hug does not make a ship canon. Unless it's PROVEN to be a romantic hug, it's still fanon. It doesn't matter what we all think about it; it's still not canon evidence unless we KNOW it was done with romantic intentions. If there's a proven romantic connection -- it doesn't matter whether it's one-sided or requited -- then the ship officially becomes canon. Kataang is obviously canon and has been for a long time; nobody can deny that. Tokka is also canon, because the creators have literally revealed to us that Toph has a crush on Sokka. However, if all we had for evidence was the "kiss", it WOULDN'T be canon because that's up for interpretation. But since the creators have told us that she has a crush on him, it's canon. Got me so far? As of now, the only romantic evidence Zutara has is all the product of interpretation and speculation. If a ship can become canon because of a hug, Taang (and almost every other couple of friends of the opposite sex on the show) would all be canon couples.

    however, whether a romantic hug or not, the hug between Katara and Zuko shows trust. And trust, really, is the first step towards anything Zutara happening. It shows that their relationship is getting stronger. whether to just being freinds or more than that, we don't know.



    Yes, it does mean that she trusts him -- we all can agree to that. But until we have some actual romantic evidence, it's still fanon.
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    speechless8582

    [1050]Apr 23, 2008
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    kaybee_2 wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:

    kaybee_2 wrote:
    You guys missed the point of posting the kiss pic in the first place -- whether Katara wanted it or not, it's still proof that Kataang is canon. Actually, the first time it was directly revealed that Aang had a crush on Katara was what really made Kataang canon for the first time. Unfortunately, however, a hug does not make a ship canon. Unless it's PROVEN to be a romantic hug, it's still fanon. It doesn't matter what we all think about it; it's still not canon evidence unless we KNOW it was done with romantic intentions. If there's a proven romantic connection -- it doesn't matter whether it's one-sided or requited -- then the ship officially becomes canon. Kataang is obviously canon and has been for a long time; nobody can deny that. Tokka is also canon, because the creators have literally revealed to us that Toph has a crush on Sokka. However, if all we had for evidence was the "kiss", it WOULDN'T be canon because that's up for interpretation. But since the creators have told us that she has a crush on him, it's canon. Got me so far? As of now, the only romantic evidence Zutara has is all the product of interpretation and speculation. If a ship can become canon because of a hug, Taang (and almost every other couple of friends of the opposite sex on the show) would all be canon couples.

    however, whether a romantic hug or not, the hug between Katara and Zuko shows trust. And trust, really, is the first step towards anything Zutara happening. It shows that their relationship is getting stronger. whether to just being freinds or more than that, we don't know.

    Yes, it does mean that she trusts him -- we all can agree to that. But until we have some actual romantic evidence, it's still fanon.

    lol, i agree with that. i probably didn't portray myself as pro-kataang, but i am.

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    kaybee_2

    [1051]Apr 23, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    kaybee_2 wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:

    kaybee_2 wrote:
    You guys missed the point of posting the kiss pic in the first place -- whether Katara wanted it or not, it's still proof that Kataang is canon. Actually, the first time it was directly revealed that Aang had a crush on Katara was what really made Kataang canon for the first time. Unfortunately, however, a hug does not make a ship canon. Unless it's PROVEN to be a romantic hug, it's still fanon. It doesn't matter what we all think about it; it's still not canon evidence unless we KNOW it was done with romantic intentions. If there's a proven romantic connection -- it doesn't matter whether it's one-sided or requited -- then the ship officially becomes canon. Kataang is obviously canon and has been for a long time; nobody can deny that. Tokka is also canon, because the creators have literally revealed to us that Toph has a crush on Sokka. However, if all we had for evidence was the "kiss", it WOULDN'T be canon because that's up for interpretation. But since the creators have told us that she has a crush on him, it's canon. Got me so far? As of now, the only romantic evidence Zutara has is all the product of interpretation and speculation. If a ship can become canon because of a hug, Taang (and almost every other couple of friends of the opposite sex on the show) would all be canon couples.

    however, whether a romantic hug or not, the hug between Katara and Zuko shows trust. And trust, really, is the first step towards anything Zutara happening. It shows that their relationship is getting stronger. whether to just being freinds or more than that, we don't know.

    Yes, it does mean that she trusts him -- we all can agree to that. But until we have some actual romantic evidence, it's still fanon.

    lol, i agree with that. i probably didn't portray myself as pro-kataang, but i am.

    Cool, another Kataanger! I don't think I ever really welcomed you to the forums, so.... Welcome! I'm kaybee_2 (well obviously) but you can call me Katherine. (Ha, I feel like a tour guide...)
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    tomtitan

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    kaybee_2 wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    kaybee_2 wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:

    kaybee_2 wrote:
    You guys missed the point of posting the kiss pic in the first place -- whether Katara wanted it or not, it's still proof that Kataang is canon. Actually, the first time it was directly revealed that Aang had a crush on Katara was what really made Kataang canon for the first time. Unfortunately, however, a hug does not make a ship canon. Unless it's PROVEN to be a romantic hug, it's still fanon. It doesn't matter what we all think about it; it's still not canon evidence unless we KNOW it was done with romantic intentions. If there's a proven romantic connection -- it doesn't matter whether it's one-sided or requited -- then the ship officially becomes canon. Kataang is obviously canon and has been for a long time; nobody can deny that. Tokka is also canon, because the creators have literally revealed to us that Toph has a crush on Sokka. However, if all we had for evidence was the "kiss", it WOULDN'T be canon because that's up for interpretation. But since the creators have told us that she has a crush on him, it's canon. Got me so far? As of now, the only romantic evidence Zutara has is all the product of interpretation and speculation. If a ship can become canon because of a hug, Taang (and almost every other couple of friends of the opposite sex on the show) would all be canon couples.

    however, whether a romantic hug or not, the hug between Katara and Zuko shows trust. And trust, really, is the first step towards anything Zutara happening. It shows that their relationship is getting stronger. whether to just being freinds or more than that, we don't know.

    Yes, it does mean that she trusts him -- we all can agree to that. But until we have some actual romantic evidence, it's still fanon.

    lol, i agree with that. i probably didn't portray myself as pro-kataang, but i am.

    Cool, another Kataanger! I don't think I ever really welcomed you to the forums, so.... Welcome! I'm kaybee_2 (well obviously) but you can call me Katherine. (Ha, I feel like a tour guide...)
    And over here we have the pit of eternal suffering, current residents include that guy from 300 who claimed it was madness, some pirates, some ninjas, some clinjas, FMA102 (RIP) and the Great Divide. Soon the loser of the shipping war will join them.
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    speechless8582

    [1053]Apr 23, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    kaybee_2 wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    kaybee_2 wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:

    kaybee_2 wrote:
    You guys missed the point of posting the kiss pic in the first place -- whether Katara wanted it or not, it's still proof that Kataang is canon. Actually, the first time it was directly revealed that Aang had a crush on Katara was what really made Kataang canon for the first time. Unfortunately, however, a hug does not make a ship canon. Unless it's PROVEN to be a romantic hug, it's still fanon. It doesn't matter what we all think about it; it's still not canon evidence unless we KNOW it was done with romantic intentions. If there's a proven romantic connection -- it doesn't matter whether it's one-sided or requited -- then the ship officially becomes canon. Kataang is obviously canon and has been for a long time; nobody can deny that. Tokka is also canon, because the creators have literally revealed to us that Toph has a crush on Sokka. However, if all we had for evidence was the "kiss", it WOULDN'T be canon because that's up for interpretation. But since the creators have told us that she has a crush on him, it's canon. Got me so far? As of now, the only romantic evidence Zutara has is all the product of interpretation and speculation. If a ship can become canon because of a hug, Taang (and almost every other couple of friends of the opposite sex on the show) would all be canon couples.

    however, whether a romantic hug or not, the hug between Katara and Zuko shows trust. And trust, really, is the first step towards anything Zutara happening. It shows that their relationship is getting stronger. whether to just being freinds or more than that, we don't know.

    Yes, it does mean that she trusts him -- we all can agree to that. But until we have some actual romantic evidence, it's still fanon.

    lol, i agree with that. i probably didn't portray myself as pro-kataang, but i am.

    Cool, another Kataanger! I don't think I ever really welcomed you to the forums, so.... Welcome! I'm kaybee_2 (well obviously) but you can call me Katherine. (Ha, I feel like a tour guide...)
    And over here we have the pit of eternal suffering, current residents include that guy from 300 who claimed it was madness, some pirates, some ninjas, some clinjas, FMA102 (RIP) and the Great Divide. Soon the loser of the shipping war will join them.

    haha, you guys are awsome. i've actually been reading up on the forums for a while, but i really appreciate the welcome!

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    LeonMorado

    [1054]Apr 23, 2008
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    ok, so when exactly was it decided that a one-sided crush made a ship canon? because all this time i've been under the impression that a romantic relationship required both participants to consent. i wasn't aware that simply liking someone automatically means you're together.
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    LeonMorado

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    tomtitan wrote:
    And over here we have the pit of eternal suffering, current residents include that guy from 300 who claimed it was madness, some pirates, some ninjas, some clinjas, FMA102 (RIP) and the Great Divide. Soon the loser of the shipping war will join them.
    *snaps picture*

    neat!
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    castleman12

    [1056]Apr 23, 2008
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    uh im a KAtaanger now
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    kaybee_2

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    LeonMorado wrote:
    ok, so when exactly was it decided that a one-sided crush made a ship canon? because all this time i've been under the impression that a romantic relationship required both participants to consent. i wasn't aware that simply liking someone automatically means you're together.


    It doesn't mean the two are together, it just means the ship is canon. What's the point of shipping if two of the characters are already together? The way I know it is that canon is just a basic term to describe a ship with proven romantic evidence, not necessarily mutual, but there.
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    Spacerac

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    castleman12 wrote:
    uh im a KAtaanger now
    Sweet.
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    DeeDuck33

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    I just watched The Cave of Two Lovers. Is it a coincdence that the writers wrote about two lovers?

    As you watch the episode, Katara's feelings for Aang becomes slightly clearer. They didn't have to kiss. You can tell through actions.

    Evidence 1: Katara is getting upset over what Aang is saying. If she didn't have feelings for him, she wouldn't have become so angry (Katara would have gotten slightly annoyed, but not angry).

    Evidence 2: Katara blushes at the end of the episode. There was no other reason for her to blush, so it could mean that she is blushing about what happened in the cave.

    Freebee 1: While I doubt that there was a kiss in CoTL, I still want to break a favorite Zutara argument. After the torch goes out, there is a few seconds of darkness before the crysals started glowing. I've heard someone say that the crystals started to glow directly after the torch goes out. This is not the case. Watch the episode for yourself, there is at least 3 seconds of darkness.

    All that I've stated is not direct proof of Katara's feelings, but it does shine a light on that possibilty. In fact, it makes the possibility probable. Go Kataang!

    (I do not wish to get into an argument, although I will debate. )

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    LeonMorado

    [1060]Apr 23, 2008
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    kaybee_2 wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    ok, so when exactly was it decided that a one-sided crush made a ship canon? because all this time i've been under the impression that a romantic relationship required both participants to consent. i wasn't aware that simply liking someone automatically means you're together.


    It doesn't mean the two are together, it just means the ship is canon. What's the point of shipping if two of the characters are already together? The way I know it is that canon is just a basic term to describe a ship with proven romantic evidence, not necessarily mutual, but there.
    canon means it's officially established in the show. kataang describes a romantic relationship between aang and katara. aang's romantic feelings for katara are canon. katara's reelings for aang have not been established, therefore kataang has not been established, therefore kataang is not canon. at this point only george is canon.
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