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Sozin's Comet (Series Finale) Official Discussion Thread - (*Major Spoilers*)

Rate the finale! How was it?

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    Axrendale

    [4381]Sep 14, 2008
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    Sektos wrote:

    Haha just reread my post dont think i explained somethings too well, but anyway. I submit- no more lol! I still think there's a hole there that could have had more time devoted to it. Ultimate;y i think we all would have liked a longer finale to iron more things out (eg Katara feelings from EIP) and im sad we never got Zutoph adventure - would have been awesome. THere was so much this season, i know supposably the creators planned all this out, but i did feel like S3, unlike one and 2, was rushed in places. But ulitimately a great series

    Still perfer my scenario, BUT i do get what you guys are saying. BUt im not going to drag out this debate anymore lol its taken up so much of the thread and i should be doing more work lol

    Still, loved chatting to ppl again about ideas on this forum , been ages and makes me sad to think this show is (for the moment) over

    MMO comes out in just a few days

    Still, I'm glad you enjoyed this as much as I did Still, I'm afraid I'm not going to let you off without summing up my opinion one last time

    It's great to have someone here who enjoys debating about these things Will we be seeing more of you around here?

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    HopeHime4

    [4382]Sep 14, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    MMO comes out in just a few days

    And the Book 3 Box Set comes out Tuesday!!
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    MCMLXVI

    [4383]Sep 14, 2008
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    One thing the MMO won't do is add to the story.
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    MarryLarry

    [4384]Sep 14, 2008
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    I think some of us might be confusing a story gap with a plot hole. They're two different things. A story gap is a sudden transition from point A to point B. The details can be filled in later with flashbacks or dialogue or left open for the audience to come to their own conclusions. A plot hole is, as I said before, a logic error, usually a result of contradiction in a story.

    This is what I've been trying to say. Hopefully this clears up any confusion.

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    Sektos

    [4385]Sep 15, 2008
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    MarryLarry wrote:

    I think some of us might be confusing a story gap with a plot hole. They're two different things. A story gap is a sudden transition from point A to point B. The details can be filled in later with flashbacks or dialogue or left open for the audience to come to their own conclusions. A plot hole is, as I said before, a logic error, usually a result of contradiction in a story.

    This is what I've been trying to say. Hopefully this clears up any confusion.


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    MarryLarry thats a good point. I think its both in the sense that It COULD have made sense (or more so) if we'd seen more of it- making it a story gap. At same time, because there is this "gap" it creates (imo) a plot hole of "how does Zuko suceed once he and katara stop Azula). Personally i would have perfered more to this than the flash forward to Ba Sing Sei and less of the Beach goofing around.
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    MarryLarry

    [4386]Sep 15, 2008
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    I see where you're coming from. But time is a factor and the writers had to make a choice: explain in detail something that's, for all intensive purposes, arbitrary or resolve a relationship (and in extension, the gawd awful shipping wars that were tearing this fandom apart).

    Had they gone with the 1st option, then a lot more people would be complaining about the shipping loose ends. One took precedence over the other.

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    MCMLXVI

    [4387]Sep 15, 2008
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    Sektos wrote:
    I think its both in the sense that It COULD have made sense (or more so) if we'd seen more of it- making it a story gap. At same time, because there is this "gap" it creates (imo) a plot hole of "how does Zuko suceed once he and katara stop Azula). Personally i would have perfered more to this than the flash forward to Ba Sing Sei and less of the Beach goofing around.
    I don't know about most people who watched Avatar, but the politics of Avatar's world rarely interested me. I was more interested in how the individual characters developed over time. I, for one, was glad they had so much time dedicated to Aang's internal conflict. Governments seem to work out (and, unfortunately, to cause) their own problems as far as I'm concerned.

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    Sektos

    [4388]Sep 16, 2008
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    MCMLXVI wrote:

    Sektos wrote:
    I think its both in the sense that It COULD have made sense (or more so) if we'd seen more of it- making it a story gap. At same time, because there is this "gap" it creates (imo) a plot hole of "how does Zuko suceed once he and katara stop Azula). Personally i would have perfered more to this than the flash forward to Ba Sing Sei and less of the Beach goofing around.
    I don't know about most people who watched Avatar, but the politics of Avatar's world rarely interested me. I was more interested in how the individual characters developed over time. I, for one, was glad they had so much time dedicated to Aang's internal conflict. Governments seem to work out (and, unfortunately, to cause) their own problems as far as I'm concerned.

    I get what you mean, and i wouldnt want to take away from the characters, which is why i felt it necessary to show Zuko properly ending the war. For me, personally, it left it a little unresolved not just because it was "how did he do it?" but also his character reaching his peak and acceptance by nation.

    We got this in the form of the end celebration in front of troops, but here i felt it then left that "plot gap/hole" of why are they accepting him. I think it would have been better for it to have happen as in my scenario with ZUko earning their trust before and after fight ie "can i help you up firelord" (his coronation could have been off screen or we have him coronated after Katara heals him) and gone on from there to Aang finishing Ozai fight and At end of fight we see more blimps arrive but instead of fighting Aang they arrest the now powerless OZai (leading to Zuko prison scene.

    Edited on 09/15/2008 11:46pm
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    meninwhite

    [4389]Sep 19, 2008
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    I made this message to say.

    Thank You, Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko,

    For showing us that Americans can still give great animation! And for showing those bastards who made Innyusha that an ending is an important thing! And showing shows like Teen Titans that its not about one person! Thank you for giving all the characters great moments! And proving that happy endings are true, and staying away from the lame Animes!!

    Again thank you. And for proving that "No one is greater than one!"

    To the fans, ALL THE FANS! (Kataangers, Zutarians, Maiko's, Tokka's, Tanngers to EVERYONE!)
    Just like all the Avatar Characters,
    UNITED WE STAND!

    A song for the tribute! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2307QGbtD4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2307QGbtD4


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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2307QGbtD4
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    gilvatar

    [4390]Sep 20, 2008
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    Hey, did anyone else notice they brough back pretty much all the old hoks for the finaale? A Zuko/Aang fight, Sokka's footprint reading skills, Zuko hunting AAng, Azula's crazy jokes, ect.
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    DemocracyDefend

    [4391]Sep 23, 2008
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    I loved it. The best quote was probally
    "That's a great Idea let the blind girl take control of the giant airship
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    PsychoPass

    [4392]Sep 23, 2008
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    DemocracyDefend wrote:
    I loved it. The best quote was probally "That's a great Idea let the blind girl take control of the giant airship

    My Dad chuckled at that and he wasn't even paying attention. :p

    ----

    Has anybody watched the commentary on the finale from the season 3 boxed set? If so, was there anything juicy mentioned?

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    DemocracyDefend

    [4393]Sep 23, 2008
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    Faveorite 3 charaters for different reasons
    Aang-Hes the freaken avatar
    Zuko-Most charater development
    Toph-Gets mad when people acts like she needshel. And i love her sarcastic remarks
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    ThisCrazyGuy

    [4394]Sep 28, 2008
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    Does anyone think, that maybe some of the cliff-hangers at the end will be answered in some of the movies?

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    Sektos

    [4395]Sep 28, 2008
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    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:

    Does anyone think, that maybe some of the cliff-hangers at the end will be answered in some of the movies?


    Depends.... I personally liked not knowing that ZUko's mum was alive. I really didnt like idea that she could be alive. IF the movie tries to really aim towards kids, and M&B arent as heavily involved, they may answer that.

    I may be crazy but i think i read somewhere on this forum about a 10 ep miniseries with same characters being possible, and may involve search for ZUko's mum
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    ThisCrazyGuy

    [4396]Sep 28, 2008
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    Sektos wrote:
    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:

    Does anyone think, that maybe some of the cliff-hangers at the end will be answered in some of the movies?
    Depends.... I personally liked not knowing that ZUko's mum was alive. I really didnt like idea that she could be alive. IF the movie tries to really aim towards kids, and M&B arent as heavily involved, they may answer that. I may be crazy but i think i read somewhere on this forum about a 10 ep miniseries with same characters being possible, and may involve search for ZUko's mum
    I think it would be good if they made people wait that long though... Like, people have been waiting for six years (When the third movie comes out), and then it is answered... Because they can't hide it forever... I was really looking forward to Zuko's reunion with his mum... But I see where your coming from... There also, probably WILL be a mini-series... That would be the perfect way of answering stuff... Like, for example, I also want to know whether or not Toph returned to and bonded with her parents, and I also want to directly see with my own eyes what happens to Azula (Not have to READ about it)...
    Edited on 09/28/2008 8:59am
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    Sektos

    [4397]Sep 29, 2008
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    Yeah theres a definitive difference between being "told" something happened offscreen and actually seeing it something someone on Relationship thread cant get, but ime not getting into that one again

    Personally im scarred shi*tless about movie (exageration haha , more like piszed off!). Its going to be another Harry Potter- which i personnally see as one of the worse adaptations ever. Love book, but hate films.

    Im worried that characters are going to be changed too drastically in personality eg Ron into a sniveling wimp and Voldemort into an overly emotional, prancing fool who gets off touching harry's fore-head lol

    Characters, such as Zuko, need whole seasons to properly develope into what they are. One movie per season . I think it could be pulled off, but not my M-twist-Ham-alot
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    4nationfury

    [4398]Sep 29, 2008
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    Yeah I agree. I wonder how they plan on telling Zuko and Aang's back story, or will they push out one of their back stories forcing them to change the character?

    Going off topic for a moment. I agree about HP. I also hate the fact that they show Voldemort's face far to much. In the book, he at least keeps his hood up, in the movies he seems to find himself beautiful. It comes off as just creepy instead of intimidating. Not to mention the faces and poses he makes when he duels. I guess it just comes off as more "creepy wizard" than "Dark Lord". Rant over.

    Edited on 09/29/2008 8:44am
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    gilvatar

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    4nationfury wrote:

    Yeah I agree. I wonder how they plan on telling Zuko and Aang's back story, or will they push out one of their back stories forcing them to change the character?

    Going off topic for a moment. I agree about HP. I also hate the fact that they show Voldemort's face far to much. In the book, he at least keeps his hood up, in the movies he seems to find himself beautiful. It comes off as just creepy instead of intimidating. Not to mention the faces and poses he makes when he duels. I guess it just comes off as more "creepy wizard" than "Dark Lord". Rant over.

    I hope it's not in some confusing clippy flashback where you really can't tell what's going on.
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    AllieAllie

    [4400]Sep 29, 2008
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    gilvatar wrote:
    4nationfury wrote:

    Yeah I agree. I wonder how they plan on telling Zuko and Aang's back story, or will they push out one of their back stories forcing them to change the character?

    Going off topic for a moment. I agree about HP. I also hate the fact that they show Voldemort's face far to much. In the book, he at least keeps his hood up, in the movies he seems to find himself beautiful. It comes off as just creepy instead of intimidating. Not to mention the faces and poses he makes when he duels. I guess it just comes off as more "creepy wizard" than "Dark Lord". Rant over.

    I hope it's not in some confusing clippy flashback where you really can't tell what's going on.
    I agree with that I hate when they do that.
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