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Sozin's Comet (Series Finale) Official Discussion Thread - (*Major Spoilers*)

Rate the finale! How was it?

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    DeathandDoom

    [3221]Jul 21, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    The fact that bloodbending can only be done during a full moon pretty much ruined any chances of it happening more then once after the puppetmaster episode. I agree she could have atleast talked about it with the GAang more, or Zuko could have said something instead of standing there like she was naked, but I guess the creators decided to leave it at that. That was enough for me anyway. Bloodbending is pretty much the ultimate bending, other then giant turtle bending, so im glad they didnt give it more screen time. It wouldve just made fight scenes boring and dull. Speaking of fight scenes, I have to say that the Zuko vs. Azula fight scene was the most adrenaline rushed, exciting, colorful, orgasmic audio-having scene in Avatar, or any other anime (except maybe DBZ) that I have ever seen. I am still confused about whether or not Zuko actually REDIRECTED the lighting that Azula shot. It looked like he stuck his fingers out as if he were trying to, but it looked like it overwhelmed him. When I saw his arms go into his chest I thought he was finished, but then a random streak of lightning shot into the sky. IDK abotu you guys but that seems wierd to me. AND it left a scar to so how could he have possible redirected it?!?!?!?!?!?! Another thing...who thinks its retarded that ZUKO has the balls to redirect lighting at HIS OWN FATHER, THE FIRELORD, but Aang doesn't have the balls to redirect it at HIS ENEMY...??!??!?!?! That seems completely retarded to me

    1). giant turtle bending, although awesome, was an easy way out so the writers didn't have to develope any sort of GOOD ending

    2). the fight scene was freaking awesome. the battling colors=great cinamotogrophy (or drawing i guess) on behalf of whoever is in charge of the creative stuff

    3). Zuko got distracted when he saw Katara, and didn't have time to focuz on redirecting it and just took the hit. It shout up to show that he couldm't redirect it. Hey it had to go somewhere? It couldn't just dissolve into his body.

    4). It don't think it's retarted because Zuko's character is an anti-vigilant. So he doesn't struggle with stupid stupid morals like Aang.

    5). Aang's character is just soooo very lame. But hey, it's a kid's show.

    But when aang was hit by the lightning in the season 2 finale it just hit him, it didnt redirect somewhere else...

    inconsistancy by the writers maybe? Idk.

    Here's my theory: Zuko was hit by the lightnig, and THEN re-directed it. He wasn't hit by the full brunt of the blast, but he was still badly hurt.

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    DeathandDoom

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    For my two cents, I was glad that no one died in the finale. It's proof positive that you don't need characters pointlessly dying left and right to make an epic. Death does not always equal greatness.

    I'm honestly surprised at how many people didn't like that all the major plotlines were resolved at the end; it's the last episode in the show! Of COURSE all the major plotlines will be resolved! If they didn't, then the show would feel unfinished, and just about every fan of the show would feel horribly let down! What, did you want the very end of the series, the last episode that was meant to bring Aang's story to an end, to end on a CLIFFHANGER?

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    HederaSegnis

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    So none of you know? There's going to be a movie in late 2009...or was in 2010? M. Night Shayamalan will be the director. I HOPE it is animated, or, if not, then at least has like the HUGEST budget ever. I am a fan of his. I also think that maybe Zuko will get some on-camera closure in the movie, as will Toph, Ang (regarding the widely-accepted massacre of his people/maybe some survived/maybe it is actually TRUE that airbenders are regular element-less people raised to be airbenders by their spirituality and enlightenment)! Maybe we'll see the southern water tribe in its new grandeur. Omashu restored. The defeat of Kon, the Face Stealer. The healing of Zuko's scar/him declining the healing as a badge. The final fate of Azula. The final resting places of Katara's and Zuko's mothers. Toph's dissemination of metal-bending techniques. Aang slightly older. Sokka's retrieval of his space sword. Some event that allows earthbenders to perform INCREDIBLE feats (though I think metal bending might be it, since, well...the Earth is available all the time). and finally, for me, an airbender's special techniques. Also, it would be nice to see Aang to be able to perform some of these special techniques. If he can redirect lightening, then perhaps he can create it. Healing with water might be only somethign female waterbenders can do so.. He would finally get his one-time wish to be a metal bender (the drill).
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    DeathandDoom

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    HederaSegnis wrote:
    So none of you know? There's going to be a movie in late 2009...or was in 2010? M. Night Shayamalan will be the director. I HOPE it is animated, or, if not, then at least has like the HUGEST budget ever. I am a fan of his. I also think that maybe Zuko will get some on-camera closure in the movie, as will Toph, Ang (regarding the widely-accepted massacre of his people/maybe some survived/maybe it is actually TRUE that airbenders are regular element-less people raised to be airbenders by their spirituality and enlightenment)! Maybe we'll see the southern water tribe in its new grandeur. Omashu restored. The defeat of Kon, the Face Stealer. The healing of Zuko's scar/him declining the healing as a badge. The final fate of Azula. The final resting places of Katara's and Zuko's mothers. Toph's dissemination of metal-bending techniques. Aang slightly older. Sokka's retrieval of his space sword. Some event that allows earthbenders to perform INCREDIBLE feats (though I think metal bending might be it, since, well...the Earth is available all the time). and finally, for me, an airbender's special techniques. Also, it would be nice to see Aang to be able to perform some of these special techniques. If he can redirect lightening, then perhaps he can create it. Healing with water might be only somethign female waterbenders can do so.. He would finally get his one-time wish to be a metal bender (the drill).

    No, we do already know about all that stuff, and we also know that it's live action. Also, I doubt that the movies will have any new info; Shamalayn has his work cut out for him already!

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    isabelwhatx

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    HederaSegnis wrote:
    So none of you know? There's going to be a movie in late 2009...or was in 2010? M. Night Shayamalan will be the director. I HOPE it is animated, or, if not, then at least has like the HUGEST budget ever. I am a fan of his. I also think that maybe Zuko will get some on-camera closure in the movie, as will Toph, Ang (regarding the widely-accepted massacre of his people/maybe some survived/maybe it is actually TRUE that airbenders are regular element-less people raised to be airbenders by their spirituality and enlightenment)! Maybe we'll see the southern water tribe in its new grandeur. Omashu restored. The defeat of Kon, the Face Stealer. The healing of Zuko's scar/him declining the healing as a badge. The final fate of Azula. The final resting places of Katara's and Zuko's mothers. Toph's dissemination of metal-bending techniques. Aang slightly older. Sokka's retrieval of his space sword. Some event that allows earthbenders to perform INCREDIBLE feats (though I think metal bending might be it, since, well...the Earth is available all the time). and finally, for me, an airbender's special techniques. Also, it would be nice to see Aang to be able to perform some of these special techniques. If he can redirect lightening, then perhaps he can create it. Healing with water might be only somethign female waterbenders can do so.. He would finally get his one-time wish to be a metal bender (the drill).

    Sorry, bud. That's all old news. Try maybe a few months earlier. =]
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    StrongGaia

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    Just watched it (I live in Australia and needed to download it using my poor internet, hence the 35 hour gap).

    I really liked it. Loved the scene with Zuko and Iroh's reunion, that was incredibly touching (my eyes fogged up a bit ^^). Also enjoyed the entire Agni Kai between Azula and Zuko, the visuals were great and so were the twists (Azula going crazy and shooting at Katara mainly).

    I wish that there had been more waterbending and earthbending fight scenes from Katara and Toph, but it was still all right. Didn't really like the way Aang stole Ozai's bending, it just felt like a poor solution to the stop-Ozai-without-killing problem. Some foreshadowing to it occuring would have helped, but it still would've been a weak way out.

    But overall, it was a great ending to the brilliant Avatar series.
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    Bryter

    [3228]Jul 21, 2008
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    Almost perfect ending! Few things that kept it from being perfect:

    1.That turtle-lion-thingy ,was kinda boring and came out of nowhere(was it mentioned in any previous avatar episodes?),and i couldent understand a thing it was saying!
    2.The kissing scene between Aang and Katara at the end was also kinda boring.It looked very planed!
    3.Ozai taking out the clothes and becoming more expressive,was not as good as when he is silent and serious.His serious style was much more terrifying imo.
    4.Aang looked like a lady with those new avatar clothes!

    Other could-have-been-better moments:
    -Zuko atacking Aang suddenly was "commercial"
    -Zuko and Katara would have been a much better couple
    -While Aang and that Ty Lee girl would have been a perfect couple!

    Otherwise a great finale! Few of my favorite moments:

    -Zuko returning to his uncle.That scene was very touching ,and it was great so see what Iroh was doing! He was one of my favorite characters and i knew he was doing something big after he escaped prison.
    -Fight scene between Ozai and Aang
    -Azula going mad/becoming Firelord.She also is one of my favorite characters ,and i really like the way her character developed -Mai becoming good and returning to Zuko.Also wearing green clothes!
    -Ty Lee becoming Kiyoshi Fighter.
    -Iroh planing to open a tea shop!
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    SubZero8855

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    Is there going to be a animated new series / spinoff or is it the fans just making it up. I don't mean the movies that are coming up. i'm talking about a animated tv series

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    digishah

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    Avatar ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder if book 4 will be out and it would be all about the all the unresolved history about Aang, Katara,Zukou,and the most important character in the intire show MOMO!!
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    Manic_minute

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    Wow, this was a really good episode, the earthbending machine gun like technique that Aang used was uber, the converting of Ozai was kind of expected after seeing the giant lion turtle. I would have preferred Aang to bring down the comet and cause massive destruction, but meh, what you gonna do.

    One thing that has got me excited though is the fact that if Aang can take away someones bending, shouldn't he be able to force someone to become another type of bender. If so than the lack of Airbenders will be solved if he just goes to an ophanage and spams the soul/energy bending technique. That or Aang is gonna have to get real busy with Katara to make a whole nation of airbender babies

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    Bryter

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    Also ,the fact that we didn't see Ozai answer Zuko about his mother,and we didn't know exactly what happened to Azula,makes me believe that there may be another season or few other episodes.
    Not that i care though
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    cmcharpy

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    Sozin's Comet (Series Finale)

    I have no probs with how it ended. The whole movie (4 parter) was awesome......gj!

    It was DBZ with less talking! lol

    Edited on 07/21/2008 6:00am
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    slumshoes

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    I can't get over its over. THe finale is just mind bendingly amazing! The best show Nick ever made (the only good show it ever made). I just wanted to know some closures like where's Azula or Ursa. Some people say the finale is like DBZ. Well, it's not really. DBZ is senseless. They just blast everything in their path and blowing the whole damn planet in the process. I used to love DBZ since it quenched my thirst for cartoon violence, but as I matured and turned to plot instead of action, I find DBZ to be empty. It's just pure eye candy. Now, what made Avatar the best show I seen in years is, besides the great animation, it has everything. An excellent plot, lovable characters, philosophy, culture, not to mention a kick ass finale (unlike DBZ which has a crappy ending...or did it end? I lost track after the 1 millionth senseless episode about someone Goku killed but lived again, which he killed but is revived again, and so on and so forth...
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    DeathandDoom wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    The fact that bloodbending can only be done during a full moon pretty much ruined any chances of it happening more then once after the puppetmaster episode. I agree she could have atleast talked about it with the GAang more, or Zuko could have said something instead of standing there like she was naked, but I guess the creators decided to leave it at that. That was enough for me anyway. Bloodbending is pretty much the ultimate bending, other then giant turtle bending, so im glad they didnt give it more screen time. It wouldve just made fight scenes boring and dull. Speaking of fight scenes, I have to say that the Zuko vs. Azula fight scene was the most adrenaline rushed, exciting, colorful, orgasmic audio-having scene in Avatar, or any other anime (except maybe DBZ) that I have ever seen. I am still confused about whether or not Zuko actually REDIRECTED the lighting that Azula shot. It looked like he stuck his fingers out as if he were trying to, but it looked like it overwhelmed him. When I saw his arms go into his chest I thought he was finished, but then a random streak of lightning shot into the sky. IDK abotu you guys but that seems wierd to me. AND it left a scar to so how could he have possible redirected it?!?!?!?!?!?! Another thing...who thinks its retarded that ZUKO has the balls to redirect lighting at HIS OWN FATHER, THE FIRELORD, but Aang doesn't have the balls to redirect it at HIS ENEMY...??!??!?!?! That seems completely retarded to me

    1). giant turtle bending, although awesome, was an easy way out so the writers didn't have to develope any sort of GOOD ending

    2). the fight scene was freaking awesome. the battling colors=great cinamotogrophy (or drawing i guess) on behalf of whoever is in charge of the creative stuff

    3). Zuko got distracted when he saw Katara, and didn't have time to focuz on redirecting it and just took the hit. It shout up to show that he couldm't redirect it. Hey it had to go somewhere? It couldn't just dissolve into his body.

    4). It don't think it's retarted because Zuko's character is an anti-vigilant. So he doesn't struggle with stupid stupid morals like Aang.

    5). Aang's character is just soooo very lame. But hey, it's a kid's show.

    But when aang was hit by the lightning in the season 2 finale it just hit him, it didnt redirect somewhere else...

    inconsistancy by the writers maybe? Idk.

    Here's my theory: Zuko was hit by the lightnig, and THEN re-directed it. He wasn't hit by the full brunt of the blast, but he was still badly hurt.

    Well, remember when Iroh said that lightning travels through the stomach in that episode when he thought Zuko how to redirect lightning. As you can see in the last episode, Zuko tried to redirect the lightning but kinda got stuck at his stomach and if you watch it again, after Azula fired that lightning, you can see a bruise at his stomach. Thats why Katara had to heal Zuko near the stomach area after the fight.

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    DocRemedy

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    DeathandDoom wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    The fact that bloodbending can only be done during a full moon pretty much ruined any chances of it happening more then once after the puppetmaster episode. I agree she could have atleast talked about it with the GAang more, or Zuko could have said something instead of standing there like she was naked, but I guess the creators decided to leave it at that. That was enough for me anyway. Bloodbending is pretty much the ultimate bending, other then giant turtle bending, so im glad they didnt give it more screen time. It wouldve just made fight scenes boring and dull. Speaking of fight scenes, I have to say that the Zuko vs. Azula fight scene was the most adrenaline rushed, exciting, colorful, orgasmic audio-having scene in Avatar, or any other anime (except maybe DBZ) that I have ever seen. I am still confused about whether or not Zuko actually REDIRECTED the lighting that Azula shot. It looked like he stuck his fingers out as if he were trying to, but it looked like it overwhelmed him. When I saw his arms go into his chest I thought he was finished, but then a random streak of lightning shot into the sky. IDK abotu you guys but that seems wierd to me. AND it left a scar to so how could he have possible redirected it?!?!?!?!?!?! Another thing...who thinks its retarded that ZUKO has the balls to redirect lighting at HIS OWN FATHER, THE FIRELORD, but Aang doesn't have the balls to redirect it at HIS ENEMY...??!??!?!?! That seems completely retarded to me

    1). giant turtle bending, although awesome, was an easy way out so the writers didn't have to develope any sort of GOOD ending

    2). the fight scene was freaking awesome. the battling colors=great cinamotogrophy (or drawing i guess) on behalf of whoever is in charge of the creative stuff

    3). Zuko got distracted when he saw Katara, and didn't have time to focuz on redirecting it and just took the hit. It shout up to show that he couldm't redirect it. Hey it had to go somewhere? It couldn't just dissolve into his body.

    4). It don't think it's retarted because Zuko's character is an anti-vigilant. So he doesn't struggle with stupid stupid morals like Aang.

    5). Aang's character is just soooo very lame. But hey, it's a kid's show.

    But when aang was hit by the lightning in the season 2 finale it just hit him, it didnt redirect somewhere else...

    inconsistancy by the writers maybe? Idk.

    Here's my theory: Zuko was hit by the lightnig, and THEN re-directed it. He wasn't hit by the full brunt of the blast, but he was still badly hurt.

    The lightning that Azula hit Aang with exited from the bottom of his foot.
    Edited on 07/21/2008 6:54am
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    cmcharpy

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    slumshoes said:

    I can't get over its over. THe finale is just mind bendingly amazing! The best show Nick ever made (the only good show it ever made). I just wanted to know some closures like where's Azula or Ursa. Some people say the finale is like DBZ. Well, it's not really. DBZ is senseless.

    Ya, that was my overall point...I agree. -I still sometimes can watch DBZ for its mixture of action and corneyness with all the tuants,counter-tuants, cheezy but cool music, the 'next time on DBZ!!' bits, and fights that last 10 - 12 episodes (I'd sit thru 1 or 2 eps. now) and they connect more w/ punches and kicks and show more blood, bruises, and burnt clothing. -but overall Avatar was (is) a better show than DBZ... DBZ kicked *ss for a while then did not know what to do with itself as time went on ; but Avatar was consistantly very good and got better! -even tho it was rated 'G-ish'...

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    picaboomman

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    wow. they were right. it was mind bending
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    kratosgod69

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Octelnet wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Octelnet wrote:
    I think it was the avatarportal.org Anyway, the series ended great. The majority of loose ends (major ones) were tied, and the small ones leave possible openings to future 'made for TV movies'. Let's face it: If it was on a different network it would've been different: darker, mature, 'you name it'. But there still is lots of potential. But I'm glad the way it ended, no misunderstandings, no confusion. I think NICK cut their losses before the show got too far out of control. I think the term 'jump the shark' describes my point. We all enjoyed a show that was by far the best animated show on NICK- Let's appreciate the qualities (please add more if you wish) -good story -good amount of episodes -Good Character development -Great art, drawings, animation etc -Great voice acting -Good conclusion. If you're a collector (of any age) its worth buying. I think everyone involved in the production of this show deserves a big THANK YOU. So...THANK YOU AVATAR....I enjoyed the ride.

    Mostly agreed. Except for the fact that ending was completly cliche and they took the easy way out.

    BEST CASE SCENARIO: Avatar comes back with a great story and the same great characters with a whole new problem...And to top it all off...its airing on ADULT SWIM!!! MIDDLE CASE SCENARIO: Avatar returns on...NICK with an epilouge and mini series of the adventures of the GAang after OZai's defeat. Azula heals and EVERYTHING is resolved. WORST CASE SCENARIO: the creators are killed in a fiery plane accident that was caused by unknown bursts of fire/water/earth/air. AVATAR IS NO MORE!!!!

    I read on wiki that they were gonna like restart the series with a different character as the avatar. I don't know how true this is but i really really hope not. And the worst case scernerio sounds like the perfect mystery for LOST lol. OHHH god.



    LMAO, the 'LOST' reference was funny. Lets not be too critcal of the show's ending. We have to remember it is a KIDS show. Lets save the criticism for shows like 'LOST'.

    If there are any fture plans for more avatar series, episodes, movies, etc, then I can't wait to see them. I'm going to start catching on th episodes I missed.


    Haha ohh I got plenty of critism on lost, but i won't go on those forums cuz everyones WAYYYYY to crazy. And yeah yeah it's a kids show, but whhhhhhhhy =[ lol. It
    *Waits to hear the usual 'it duznt anser enough kweshtuns lol' argument*
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    WorldTyrant

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    I wasn't very satisfied with the finale. I am really unhappy about the unanswered questions because it leaves room for a spinoff or a 4th season. I don't really want Avatar to have that because I think it would be a flop compared to the rest of it; it would be a stain on whatever dignity that the series has. I'm not the creators and I don't have their vision, but the big bad is gone. All that's left for them is to do a few sidequests that should have been done in the main series. What will they do now? Go into space (ala Mario and Jason) and destroy Sozin's Comet, which happens to be sentient and shoots giant laser beams? There isn't enough left to do.

    I was also unhappy with the Deus Ex Machina turtle and the sudden go-nasty-evil-hate-me shift of Ozai. He went out of character from his strong silent type of fear mongering via death glare to evil maniacal maniac. Maybe that was the intent; again, I'm not the creators. But it felt inconsistent he went from dark brooder overlord to rip-clothes-off-shout-insults-DBZ-mode. I don't think that did justice to the character. It only made him appear to be evil incarnate right up against Aang's argument that he is still a human being. Maybe they were going for compare/contrast/blahblah, but I didn't really like it. Granted, we didn't realyl *see* much of his character throughout the series, but shifting from silent monolith to screaming-crazy-Freiza-esque-villain was big. Azula's shift of character was far more believable (though very sudden between her last apperance and the finale).

    The fight scenes were meh. Aang and Ozai chased each other through a giant canyon, doing uber attacks while the other flailed around helplessly. That's not a fight, that's a masscre. Zuko and Azula had the best fight, but Zuko was denied his due because they wanted to include Katara. I understand that, but I don't think they did it very well. Zuko has lost more fights throughout the series than anyone and he was finally going to take his place as the Firelord by beating down his sister (he already gave up the ultimate fight to Aang). Instead of continuing the paralell between Aang and Zuko that had been going on for the entire series, they shattered it by having Zuko lose to Azula *again*. I see why they did it; they wanted Katara to chain her, for Katara to have some time in the spotlight, and for one last fork-in-the-eye shipping tease to Zutarians, but I don't like it and I think it could have been done better.

    Also there wasn't enough time for the other characters. Less turtle, more Iroh plzthx. I really wanted to see some back-and-forth between Toph and Bumi. I mean who *wouldn't* like that? The two most powerful earthbenders ever arguing and braggingand just being silly.

    I like Avatar a whole lot, but this finale was a let down for me. Perhaps it will grow on me, but right now I'm disappointed.

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