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so how people think zuko is considerd a firebending master

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    jakeman3025

    [61]Jun 16, 2008
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    the Fire Nation was not always the tyrannical, militaristic embodiment it is today. A millenia ago, in its earliest years, a council of sages led the Fire Nation who, among several other national interests, were heavily invested in philosophy and spirituality, much like that of the monastic Air Nomad race. The lead sage was known as the "Fire Lord" due to his high level Firebending powers as well as his deep spiritual affinity with the element. Over the years, one lead sage chose to sever ties with the remaining sages and sought to be the sole ruler of the Fire Nation. Now led by the Great Sage, the sages were regulated primarily to spiritual matters but nonetheless still retained some political power over the Nation, with tensions between the two sects increasing with every generation.

    http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_Nation#Elite_2
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    suss2it

    [62]Jun 16, 2008
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    jakeman3025 wrote:
    the Fire Nation was not always the tyrannical, militaristic embodiment it is today. A millenia ago, in its earliest years, a council of sages led the Fire Nation who, among several other national interests, were heavily invested in philosophy and spirituality, much like that of the monastic Air Nomad race. The lead sage was known as the "Fire Lord" due to his high level Firebending powers as well as his deep spiritual affinity with the element. Over the years, one lead sage chose to sever ties with the remaining sages and sought to be the sole ruler of the Fire Nation. Now led by the Great Sage, the sages were regulated primarily to spiritual matters but nonetheless still retained some political power over the Nation, with tensions between the two sects increasing with every generation.

    http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_Nation#Elite_2
    Thanks but do you also know the episode it was said in? Cause you can't really trust wikis.
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    jakeman3025

    [63]Jun 16, 2008
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    it came from a nickelodeon comic at least that what i heard
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    KingAtticus

    [64]Jun 16, 2008
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    Ah yes, Avatar comics. Those can be trusted.
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    caseybocook

    [65]Jun 17, 2008
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    Zuko is not a master.
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    avrurakinninami

    [66]Jun 17, 2008
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    jakeman3025 wrote:
    no they said the leader was the most powerful


    Zuko is going to be the most powerful firebender, period.
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    KingAtticus

    [67]Jun 17, 2008
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    avrurakinninami wrote:
    jakeman3025 wrote:
    no they said the leader was the most powerful


    Zuko is going to be the most powerful firebender, period.

    "Going to be" is the key phrase.
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    gilvatar

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    SilverFlames wrote:
    Oh noobs back in the day.. when you came in with skill, when you came in with talent and smartness. N00bs back in the day knew to lurk and then post a thread and if you didn't lurk, you'd at least post a good one.

    Boomeraaaang was the last example of this, unfortunately Tv.com's caused him to leave as well.
    I know I lurked when I first came to this site. and if I posted i did it in such a non-contraversal way it I might as have been a piece of toast. (What's controversal about toast?)
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    Vxiel

    [69]Jun 17, 2008
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    gilvatar wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    Oh noobs back in the day.. when you came in with skill, when you came in with talent and smartness. N00bs back in the day knew to lurk and then post a thread and if you didn't lurk, you'd at least post a good one. Boomeraaaang was the last example of this, unfortunately Tv.com's caused him to leave as well.
    I know I lurked when I first came to this site. and if I posted i did it in such a non-contraversal way it I might as have been a piece of toast. (What's controversal about toast?)

    I lurked for a few months back in 2006, been *cough*resurrecting*cough* since then...

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    KingAtticus

    [70]Jun 17, 2008
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    Don't say that! Don't even think it!
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    jakeman3025

    [71]Jun 17, 2008
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    zuko improved sufficiently id say hes just about a master if not already

    he can make explosions Photobucket

    he can preform the breath of fire some what

    his Firebending Throughout the series, Zuko has shown himself to be a highly skilled Firebender, and his skill has grown as the series has progressed. As a child he could only create small bursts of flame, but by the time he was thirteen he was confident enough in his abilities to readily accept a challenge of Agni Kai, (he refused to fight, however, when he found out his challenger was his father). At the beginning of the series he is still learning the basics from Iroh, and is skilled enough to momentarily knock Aang off his ship, and is only defeated when Aang goes into the Avatar State. By episode 3, he utilizes what he has been taught to defeat Zhao, who is older, more experienced and a master firebender. Throughout Book One, he demonstrates his skill many times; he defeats multiple foes both in "The Warriors of Kyoshi" and in "Winter Solstice Part 1: The Spirit World". Later on in Book One, Zuko's skill grows. During "Bato of the Water Tribe" he fares well in a duel against Aang, being able to deliver multiple fire blasts for a sustained period without tiring, and is only defeated when he is paralyzed by Jun's confused Shirshu. In "The Waterbending Master", he creates a shield of fire in order to protect himself from a massive explosion on his ship. During the Book One finale he defeats Katara after the Sun rises, and lands a decisive victory in a rematch against Zhao. During the course of Book 2, Zuko's Firebending becomes much more advanced and powerful. In "The Avatar State", he is unable to land any blows against Azula, and is defeated rather easily. He fares somewhat better during "The Chase"; in a three-way battle with Azula and Aang, he trades several fire blasts with his sister and keeps the Avatar on the defensive. As Book Two progresses, he learns more advanced firebending from Iroh. He becomes more efficient and refined as a result of this. During a battle with the Rough Rhinos, he sends a small bolt of fire through Vachir's bow, breaking the string. He also demonstrates the ability to fire multiple small blasts through two fingers, rather than his whole fist, during "Tales of Ba Sing Se". During the Season Two finale, he demonstrates how far his prowess has grown. His fire blasts have become more powerful, and he is shown charging his attacks before releasing them, creating enormous blasts of fire. He also demonstrates the ability to create two long whips of fire. He is able to battle evenly with Aang, even though Aang had been skilfully using both airbending and earthbending. Later, after switching opponents with Azula, he battles evenly with Katara, who had long since been declared a Master. Little has been seen of Zuko's Firebending in the first half of book 3; however, Zuko is confident enough in his abilities that he offers to teach Aang. In The Western Air Temple he utilizes a wall of flame to stop a combustion attack. Later, in The Firebending Masters, Zuko temporarily loses his ability to firebend due to his corresponding lack of rage, which had formerly been the source of his power while he was pursuing the Avatar. However, after viewing the multi-colored flames of the two dragons, he finds a new source of power in reverence for fire's power as a source of life and energy. He also learns "The Dancing Dragon", an ancient firebending form that he performs alongside Aang. Learning this form appears to have influenced his ****of Firebending to be more fluid, creating a more dance-like form as opposed to the rigid, militaristic forms commonly used by Fire Nation soldiers. His difference in ****and skill is demonstrated in the conclusion of "The Boiling Rock, Part 2", where he briefly battles against Azula, alongside Sokka. During the fight, he deflects many of Azula's fire-blasts with only his arms or his own fire, and trades fire balls with her. In "Zuko Alone", he used his firebending in conjunction with his broadswords. He has also demonstrated use of Fire Daggers and limited use of Breath of Fire. During his training with Iroh he attempted to learn how to create lightning. However, because of his inner turmoil, he was unable to achieve the required peace of mind, and his attempts to produce lightning would only explode in his face. Instead, Iroh taught him how to absorb and redirect lightning. He later employed this technique against his father during Day of Black Sun. Though Zuko seems to have overcome his inner turmoil, it has yet to be seen whether or not he can create lightning.

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    MaddoKos

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    Holy crap!

    How long did that take to type?!

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    jakeman3025

    [73]Jun 17, 2008
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    wiki
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    MaddoKos

    [74]Jun 17, 2008
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    Ah.

    I want to know what qualifies as a "master." I mean, it could be said that Zuko is most definitely a firebending master since now he's training Aang.

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    jakeman3025

    [75]Jun 17, 2008
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    he beat zhao and hes drastically improved since then and he fights azula evenly in the boiling rock so i consider him a master plus hes aangs teacher like you said
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    suss2it

    [76]Jun 17, 2008
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    jakeman3025 wrote:
    he beat zhao and hes drastically improved since then and he fights azula evenly in the boiling rock so i consider him a master plus hes aangs teacher like you said
    Seriously though when he beat Zhao he didn't show any mastery of firebending, he just made Zhao lose his balance. And sure if Zhao is a master I suppose Zuko could be as well. And Zuko doens't make "exploding" fire that was a charged blast. Exploding fire is something like Combustion Man.
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    jakeman3025

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    During the Book One finale he defeats Katara after the Sun rises, and lands a decisive victory in a rematch against Zhao and this time he beat the hell out of him.

    Zhao was a very powerful Firebender, and was considered to be a master. In his youth, he studied under the master Jeong Jeong, and learned very powerful techniques from him. However, he had very little interest in learning to control his fire, seeking only more power.

    http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Admiral_Zhao#Abilities
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    suss2it

    [78]Jun 17, 2008
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    jakeman3025 wrote:
    During the Book One finale he defeats Katara after the Sun rises, and lands a decisive victory in a rematch against Zhao and this time he beat the hell out of him.

    Zhao was a very powerful Firebender, and was considered to be a master. In his youth, he studied under the master Jeong Jeong, and learned very powerful techniques from him. However, he had very little interest in learning to control his fire, seeking only more power.

    http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Admiral_Zhao#Abilities
    Stop quoting wikis they don't help your argument. And we didn't see any extraordinary firebending from Zhao. And being decisive isn't the same as mastering an art. And do you mean by this time, you have to be more clear if you want to be able to debate something.
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    jakeman3025

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    suss2it whats your evidence put some a side be for you bash me about zhao iroh even said he was a master on the third episode numb skull.
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    dantedones

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    Zuko is not a master
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