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so how people think zuko is considerd a firebending master

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    masterofaeons

    [121]Jun 23, 2008
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    Another great note is that Zuko has admitted that his firebending power only came with the fluctuation of his rage. This means he has no control whatsoever. His powers have changed incredibly since he joined Aang's group, so any shots of his abilities before that point are moot.
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    suss2it

    [122]Jun 23, 2008
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    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    WOULD IT, though?


    Jeong Jeong may know how to use lightning, but felt that the people he fought required such skill level.

    In which case he would definitely be unstoppable.


    I don't see Jeong Jeong having the coldblooded nature that lightning bending requires.
    It doesn't require a coldblooded nature, just complete focus and emotional detachment. I don't see Jeong Jeong being able to do it, because he seems very conflicted about firebending already.
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    Blind_Legend

    [123]Jun 24, 2008
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    jakeman3025 wrote:
    he never been declaired but i think other wise
    i forgot how do do the spoiler tags becuase i havnt been on in like a year, but spoilers below

    I think Zukos a master becuase he goes and sees the true firebending masters in 313(there dragons) and they show him the secret of firebending

    Edited on 06/23/2008 11:10pm
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    jakeman3025

    [124]Jun 24, 2008
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    ever since then what we have seen of him hes improved.
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    suss2it

    [125]Jun 24, 2008
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    Blind_Legend wrote:

    jakeman3025 wrote:
    he never been declaired but i think other wise
    i forgot how do do the spoiler tags becuase i havnt been on in like a year, but spoilers below

    I think Zukos a master becuase he goes and sees the true firebending masters in 313(there dragons) and they show him the secret of firebending
    Code:
    [spoiler]  *spoilers here  [/spoiler] 


    That really isn't a spoiler though since it was released on DVD already. Also now he knows the true source of firebending but I don't think that should automatically make him a master, because wouldn't that make Aang a master too? And wouldn't people like Ozai, or Jeong Jeong not be considered masters because they don't use the true source.

    jakeman3025 wrote:
    ever since then what we have seen of him hes improved.
    We've only seen him battle once after that, and both he and Azula were clearly holding back.
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    j_dieterman

    [127]Jul 3, 2008
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    Mapletree46 wrote:
    I do not think that Zuko is a firebending master.

    1)He was still in training before he was seperated from his uncle

    2)He always lost against Azula

    3)When did Katara become a waterbending master?

    4)Just because he was in the royal family, doesn't mean that he is a master firebender. If you remember from some of the flashback episodes, his father was ashamed of his firebending disabilities.

    5)He can not make lighting. He can redirect it, but i don't remember him making it.


    It is not sure that Zuko can or cant make lightning.The last time he tried that (that was shown) was in bitter work.I think that he can create lighting because he found peace in him self he just never showed it and yeah when did did Katara become a master
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    j_dieterman

    [128]Jul 3, 2008
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    jakeman3025 wrote:

    he fought evenly with katara who is a water bending master in ba sing sa

    he beat zhao who was a firebending master sated by iroh in the season one finale

    he fought with azula and evenly mached aang and katara and so did azula

    how can you not say hes a not a master look at the logic
    Who said that Katara is a waterbending master.I think that both Katara and Zuko are very good benders but not masters.They are also evenly match .
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    toosmooth

    [129]Jul 3, 2008
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    Okay. This thread needs to die. Zuko is a master. Plain and simple. He beat Zhao, who is considered a master. He has had much more experience since then. Zuko is a master. Get over it. Nuff' said. /thread.
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    carlsonem

    [130]Jul 3, 2008
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    toosmooth wrote:
    Okay. This thread needs to die. Zuko is a master. Plain and simple. He beat Zhao, who is considered a master. He has had much more experience since then. Zuko is a master. Get over it. Nuff' said. /thread.
    Zhao was just evil Zuko all grown up; no self control. However when he changed his source of energy i believe he improved himself to a master....so i agree
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    MarryLarry

    [131]Jul 3, 2008
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    Well, I guess this begs another Q: what constitutes a master?

    Is it knowing a certain # of techniques?

    Is it knowing a special technique?

    Is it being able to beat someone who's considered a master?

    Is it measured in skill or knowledge of the art?

    Is Rosie O'Donald really a woman?

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    carlsonem

    [132]Jul 3, 2008
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    MarryLarry wrote:

    Well, I guess this begs another Q: what constitutes a master?

    Is it knowing a certain # of techniques?

    Is it knowing a special technique?

    Is it being able to beat someone who's considered a master?

    Is it measured in skill or knowledge of the art?

    Is Rosie O'Donald really a woman?
    Yes to every question.....except that last one...ewwwww!!
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    Axrendale

    [133]Jul 3, 2008
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    "Mastering firebending" and "firebending master" are not the same thing, but I think Zuko qualifies for both. In avatr, when people speak of having "mastered" an element they mean that whoever has mastered it now has superior abilty in manipulating said element. Pretty much every main character who can bend fits into this catagory. Every single time somone in the show uses the term "firebending/waterbending/earthbending/airbending/other master" they are refering to somone who teaches that element/other. Iroh, Jeong Jeong, Pakku, etc, were all refered to as masters because they were also teachers. When Pakku said Aang should star calling Katara "Master Katara", he was refering to the fact that she was going to be his teacher.Episode 304; 'Sokka's Master' basically translates to 'Sokka's teacher'. Episode 313 was called 'The Firebending Masters' because the dragons were instructing Aang and Zuko. Going back to Zhao, he's pretty old, it wouldn't be so surprising if at some point he had had a student of his own. It wouldn't matter if Zuko was the worst firebender in the avatar world (which he isn't), the fact that he is teaching firebending to Aang makes him Aang's Firebending Master.
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    toosmooth

    [134]Jul 3, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    "Mastering firebending" and "firebending master" are not the same thing, but I think Zuko qualifies for both. In avatr, when people speak of having "mastered" an element they mean that whoever has mastered it now has superior abilty in manipulating said element. Pretty much every main character who can bend fits into this catagory. Every single time somone in the show uses the term "firebending/waterbending/earthbending/airbending/other master" they are refering to somone who teaches that element/other. Iroh, Jeong Jeong, Pakku, etc, were all refered to as masters because they were also teachers. When Pakku said Aang should star calling Katara "Master Katara", he was refering to the fact that she was going to be his teacher.Episode 304; 'Sokka's Master' basically translates to 'Sokka's teacher'. Episode 313 was called 'The Firebending Masters' because the dragons were instructing Aang and Zuko. Going back to Zhao, he's pretty old, it wouldn't be so surprising if at some point he had had a student of his own. It wouldn't matter if Zuko was the worst firebender in the avatar world (which he isn't), the fact that he is teaching firebending to Aang makes him Aang's Firebending Master.
    /thread NOW LET IT DIE!!
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    jakeman3025

    [135]Jul 17, 2008
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    well zuko is pretty much equal to crazula now any other thoughts.
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