Join

We're moving Forums to the Community pages. Click here for more information and updates.

Avatar: The Last Airbender Forums

Nickelodeon (ended 2008)

so how people think zuko is considerd a firebending master

  • Avatar of Darth_Scarth

    Darth_Scarth

    [81]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 07/03/05
    • level: 8
    • rank: Super-Friend
    • posts: 221
    Azula is still a far better firebender than Zuko, just because he found a new source of firebending, doesn't mean he's a master. He's powerful, no doubt. But Azula still had years of training and discipline, as well as her intensified fire blasts. Azula can also generate lightning, and Zuko has not yet been seen being able to generate lightning. The fight in Boiling Rock couldn't tell much, it was too short and the fighting space was too narrow. Perhaps in the finale, Zuko and Azula will go head on and have an Agni Kai. Once again, people seem to think just because Zuko found a new inner drive he is master. Only time will tell.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of jakeman3025

    jakeman3025

    [82]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 11/20/07
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 312

    he fought evenly with katara who is a water bending master in ba sing sa

    he beat zhao who was a firebending master sated by iroh in the season one finale

    he fought with azula and evenly mached aang and katara and so did azula

    how can you not say hes a not a master look at the logic

    Edited on 06/17/2008 8:05pm
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Darth_Scarth

    Darth_Scarth

    [83]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 07/03/05
    • level: 8
    • rank: Super-Friend
    • posts: 221
    jakeman3025 wrote:
    he fought evenly with katara who is a water bending master in ba sing sa he beat zhao who was a firebending master stated by iroh he fought azula evenly in the boiling rock

    how can you not say hes a not a master look at the logic


    There's not enough proof to tell if he is a master or not. Being powerful doesn't necessarily mean you're a master. We need to see more to make a choice.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of suss2it

    suss2it

    [84]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 02/02/08
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 3,383
    jakeman3025 wrote:
    he fought evenly with katara who is a water bending master in ba sing sa he beat zhao who was a firebending master stated by iroh he fought azula evenly in the boiling rock

    how can you not say hes a not a master look at the logic
    Read my posts I never denied that Zhao isn't a master, I just don't think he should be considered one. And I've also stated that when Zuko faced him in the agni kai he didn't use mastery of firebending to do so, he used his knowledge of proper firebending, now while that is good it can't be considered mastery.

    Being a master at waterbending is different from being a master at firebending. They aren't the same thing therefore they can't be judged as if they were. That's like saying if a person who practices Taekwondo defeats a master of karate he is by default a master of Taekwondo.

    The match in the Boiling Rock if you watch they are both holding back so you can't really judge.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of jakeman3025

    jakeman3025

    [85]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 11/20/07
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 312
    zuko fought with azula and they both evenly matched aang and katara there for they are both firebending masters
    Edited on 06/17/2008 8:08pm
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Darth_Scarth

    Darth_Scarth

    [86]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 07/03/05
    • level: 8
    • rank: Super-Friend
    • posts: 221
    jakeman3025 wrote:
    zuko fought with azula and they both evenly matched aang and katara there for they are both firebending masters

    That doesn't make much sense. I'm not trying to offend you or anything. But it just doesn't make sense. You fight a master swordsman, he is holding back. You both are evenly matched. Therefore you are a master.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of jakeman3025

    jakeman3025

    [87]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 11/20/07
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 312
    zuko fought with azula and they both evenly matched aang and katara when the fought in the cross road of destiny in ba sing sa
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of MarryLarry

    MarryLarry

    [88]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 06/16/07
    • level: 11
    • rank: Red Shirted Lt.
    • posts: 3,055
    Airbenders become masters after they learn so many techniques. The same principle applies to many forms of marital arts. So I'm guessing the same holds true to firebending. Is Zuko skilled? Yes. Does he know enough techniques to be considered a master? Maybe not quite yet. Does one need to be a master in Northern Shaolin to beat a Shaolin master? No....but it helps.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of suss2it

    suss2it

    [89]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 02/02/08
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 3,383
    jakeman3025 wrote:
    zuko fought with azula and they both evenly matched aang and katara there for they are both firebending masters
    Read my post that I made, and make a cohesive argument.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of jakeman3025

    jakeman3025

    [90]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 11/20/07
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 312
    suss2it whats your argument you have shown no evidence at all that hes not a master
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of suss2it

    suss2it

    [91]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 02/02/08
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 3,383
    jakeman3025 wrote:
    suss2it whats your argument you have shown no evidence at all that hes not a master
    Read my posts I never denied that Zhao isn't a master, I just don't think he should be considered one. And I've also stated that when Zuko faced him in the agni kai he didn't use mastery of firebending to do so, he used his knowledge of proper firebending, now while that is good it can't be considered mastery.

    Being a master at waterbending is different from being a master at firebending. They aren't the same thing therefore they can't be judged as if they were. That's like saying if a person who practices Taekwondo defeats a master of karate he is by default a master of Taekwondo.

    The match in the Boiling Rock if you watch they are both holding back so you can't really judge.

    That's only some of it, I could go into more depth but you haven't provided much of an opposition.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of jakeman3025

    jakeman3025

    [92]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 11/20/07
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 312
    your saying that zuko who evenly match's the avatar and a waterbending master in the season two finale souldent be considered a master.
    Edited on 06/17/2008 8:26pm
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Darth_Scarth

    Darth_Scarth

    [93]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 07/03/05
    • level: 8
    • rank: Super-Friend
    • posts: 221
    jakeman3025 wrote:
    your saying that zuko who evenly match's the avatar and a waterbending master in the season two finale souldent be considered a master.

    Please read what he says, a WATERBENDING master is different from a FIREBENDING master. So they are JUDGED differently.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of jakeman3025

    jakeman3025

    [94]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 11/20/07
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 312
    your saying that zuko who evenly match's the avatar and a waterbending master in the season two finale souldent be considered a master

    so technicality your saying its easier to become a waterbending master opposed to a firebending master
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of suss2it

    suss2it

    [95]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 02/02/08
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 3,383
    jakeman3025 wrote:
    your saying that zuko who evenly match's the avatar and a waterbending master in the season two finale souldent be considered a master

    so technicality your saying its easier to become a waterbending master opposed to a firebending master
    NO that's not what I'm saying, but it's two different styles therefore you can't judge them in the same category. You can't always think in black and white.

    And when he went against the Aang, Aang wasn't using his true potential though I admit he did show how powerful Zuko became. Aang was going harder against Azula in that episode, he was playing more on the defensive side against Zuko. And you're making it seem as though he went against both of them at the same time, when Azula was actually there to help him.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of jakeman3025

    jakeman3025

    [96]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 11/20/07
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 312

    i dont aang was hold back on zuko lol

    Photobucket Photobucket and yes i know azula was there too but both both partys fought pretty evenly in ba sing sa

    Edited on 06/17/2008 8:42pm
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of suss2it

    suss2it

    [97]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 02/02/08
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 3,383
    jakeman3025 wrote:

    i dont aang was hold back on zuko lol

    Photobucket and yes a i know azula was there too but they both fought pretty evenly in ba sing sa Photobucket
    I never said Zuko was holding back, I said Aang was playing more defensively against him.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of suss2it

    suss2it

    [98]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 02/02/08
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 3,383
    I also said that Zuko was very powerful in that match but that doesn't equal master.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of jakeman3025

    jakeman3025

    [99]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 11/20/07
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 312
    aang clashed zuko a few times too he used offence as well Photobucket Photobucket
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of suss2it

    suss2it

    [100]Jun 17, 2008
    • member since: 02/02/08
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 3,383
    jakeman3025 wrote:
    aang clashed zuko a few times too he used offence as well Photobucket Photobucket
    Read my posts, I didn't say he didn't use offense I said he was more defensive. And how does Zuko fighting Aang make him a master?
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
Shows | Movies | Web | People | News | Videos | Community
Listings | Photos | Forums | Closed Captioning | Rating Guidelines
CBS Entertainment About CBS Interactive | About TV.com | Contact Us | Jobs | Advertise
© 2016 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. TV Guide Digital Network | Privacy Policy | Ad Choice | Terms of Use