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Official Episode Discussion: The Cave of Two Lovers

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    little_magelly

    [441]Mar 25, 2006
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    I'm new to this board and I want to know how many people thought they kissed between the time that the light went out and when katara saw the lights. Personally i thought they kissed
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    mellomuse

    [442]Mar 25, 2006
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    OK everyone, enough about the shipping. (No offense to any individual, but I have my doubts that Song will return and we'll never know for sure if Aang and Katara kissed, OK?)

    What about the fact that one of the symbols on Zuko's ritual knife was featured in this episode? Am I the only one who thinks that is possibly a big deal? I catch myself wondering of the writers will sneak one of the symbols from the knife in every few episodes, so that a really obsessed fan like me can figure out what the knife says by season's end.
    Edited on 03/25/2006 4:56pm
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    Phantom_Gurl

    [443]Mar 25, 2006
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    little_magelly wrote:
    I'm new to this board and I want to know how many people thought they kissed between the time that the light went out and when katara saw the lights. Personally i thought they kissed


    I believe they kissed...and you can't change my opinion and i won't listen to those who say they didn't
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    PrinceZukoLover

    [444]Mar 25, 2006
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    Phantom_Gurl wrote:
    little_magelly wrote:
    I'm new to this board and I want to know how many people thought they kissed between the time that the light went out and when katara saw the lights. Personally i thought they kissed


    I believe they kissed...and you can't change my opinion and i won't listen to those who say they didn't
    I am with you speak the truth okay that was a little much
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    coollop

    [445]Mar 25, 2006
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    mellomuse wrote:
    OK everyone, enough about the shipping. (No offense to any individual, but I have my doubts that Song will return and we'll never know for sure if Aang and Katara kissed, OK?)

    What about the fact that one of the symbols on Zuko's ritual knife was featured in this episode? Am I the only one who thinks that is possibly a big deal? I catch myself wondering of the writers will sneak one of the symbols from the knife in every few episodes, so that a really obsessed fan like me can figure out what the knife says by season's end.


    Ah, that was the other thing I wanted to comment about... couldn't find your message though. I'm pretty curious about the one symbol- what did you say it meant, corpse? I hope we get to learn more about it soon!
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    the_jaguarundi

    [446]Mar 25, 2006
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    This isn't a shipping post. This is a post about evidence for what did or didn't take place in the episode.

    Unless someone shows me a screenshot of their shadows kissing in the dark, we don't know for sure if they did or not (as pooldude pointed out). But the evidence is as follows.

    At first, I thought that it was totally ambiguous. But watching it a second time on my DVD player (I recorded it), here's why I think they kissed, off the top of my head:
    ************
    #1: Either the magic lights are triggered by the Dark by itself, or they are triggered by a Kiss (most likely a kiss in the dark). Let's suppose someone got lost in the caves. Suppose they didn't get eaten by the wolf bats or badger moles. Suppose their lights went out. Here's what would happen . . .

    (a) If the magic lights are triggered by Darkness but not a kiss, then the lights would appear as soon as the lights go out. The person escapes from the cave scott free.

    (b) If the magic lights are triggered by Darkness AND a Kiss, than the lights don't appear, and the person doesn't find their way out of the shifting walls of the labyrinth.
    ************
    #2: The kissers' eyes WERE CLOSED and they were inches away from the kiss. The lights appeared too slowly and dimly . . . it wouldn't be bright/quick enough to interrupt them from kissing. I repeat, their EYES WERE CLOSED.
    ************
    #3: Following up on the previous points, the lights began to appear after the point at which they would have begun the kiss.
    ************
    #4: The "ambiguity" of the kiss taking place in the dark can be refuted by plot necessity and dramatic effect.
    ************
    #5: The magic lights appear specifically from where Aang and Katara are. It is a guide for them just as it was a guide for the two lovers of old.
    ************
    #6: Aang's "So . . ." right before Katara rushes off is relaxed and . . . confirmatory about what they had just done. His reaction appears to reflect that they had just kissed.
    ************
    #7: The animation draws out a dramatic explanation point with Aang's facial expression as she runs off. His pointed "rearrangement of his face" to that kind of smile reinforces that they had just kissed.
    ************
    #8: Aang tells Sokka rather giddily that they trusted in love.
    ************
    #9: Again, the animators remind us of what just happened by having Aang throw a bit of a CONTENTED sidelong glance at Katara, and then she blushes. Alltogether clear.
    ************
    #10: A kiss this early wouldn't "end" the series in any sense, for two reasons:
    (a) It was for "practical" reasons, though they clearly both enjoyed it (and enjoyed the thought before even doing it).
    (b) It won't necessarily be brought up again by the characters (perhaps later instigated by Jojo's events, though), as Aang initially had dug himself in that hole with the whole "I'd rather kiss you than die" spat . . . it would be too awkward for them to bring it up . . . I mean, come on, it was awkward enough for them to bring up kissing for PRACTICAL REASONS.
    ************
    #11: Lastly, the beginning of the episode demonstrated Katara and Aang's ever-growing bond/chemistry. I don't feel like describing this at length, however.
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    sly4me

    [447]Mar 25, 2006
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    ^^they kissed.
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    koikitten

    [448]Mar 25, 2006
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    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    This isn't a shipping post. This is a post about evidence for what did or didn't take place in the episode.

    Unless someone shows me a screenshot of their shadows kissing in the dark, we don't know for sure if they did or not (as pooldude pointed out). But the evidence is as follows.

    At first, I thought that it was totally ambiguous. But watching it a second time on my DVD player (I recorded it), here's why I think they kissed, off the top of my head:
    ************
    #1: Either the magic lights are triggered by the Dark by itself, or they are triggered by a Kiss (most likely a kiss in the dark). Let's suppose someone got lost in the caves. Suppose they didn't get eaten by the wolf bats or badger moles. Suppose their lights went out. Here's what would happen . . .

    (a) If the magic lights are triggered by Darkness but not a kiss, then the lights would appear as soon as the lights go out. The person escapes from the cave scott free.

    (b) If the magic lights are triggered by Darkness AND a Kiss, than the lights don't appear, and the person doesn't find their way out of the shifting walls of the labyrinth.
    ************
    #2: The kissers' eyes WERE CLOSED and they were inches away from the kiss. The lights appeared too slowly and dimly . . . it wouldn't be bright/quick enough to interrupt them from kissing. I repeat, their EYES WERE CLOSED.
    ************
    #3: Following up on the previous points, the lights began to appear after the point at which they would have begun the kiss.
    ************
    #4: The "ambiguity" of the kiss taking place in the dark can be refuted by plot necessity and dramatic effect.
    ************
    #5: The magic lights appear specifically from where Aang and Katara are. It is a guide for them just as it was a guide for the two lovers of old.
    ************
    #6: Aang's "So . . ." right before Katara rushes off is relaxed and . . . confirmatory about what they had just done. His reaction appears to reflect that they had just kissed.
    ************
    #7: The animation draws out a dramatic explanation point with Aang's facial expression as she runs off. His pointed "rearrangement of his face" to that kind of smile reinforces that they had just kissed.
    ************
    #8: Aang tells Sokka rather giddily that they trusted in love.
    ************
    #9: Again, the animators remind us of what just happened by having Aang throw a bit of a CONTENTED sidelong glance at Katara, and then she blushes. Alltogether clear.
    ************
    #10: A kiss this early wouldn't "end" the series in any sense, for two reasons:
    (a) It was for "practical" reasons, though they clearly both enjoyed it (and enjoyed the thought before even doing it).
    (b) It won't necessarily be brought up again by the characters (perhaps later instigated by Jojo's events, though), as Aang initially had dug himself in that hole with the whole "I'd rather kiss you than die" spat . . . it would be too awkward for them to bring it up . . . I mean, come on, it was awkward enough for them to bring up kissing for PRACTICAL REASONS.
    ************
    #11: Lastly, the beginning of the episode demonstrated Katara and Aang's ever-growing bond/chemistry. I don't feel like describing this at length, however.


    Whoa.... I believe you. ^^
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    Senshi274

    [449]Mar 25, 2006
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    Oh man, I missed it! I really had to, though. My brother and I were trying to get one of our cats off our roof.
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    sly4me

    [450]Mar 25, 2006
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    Senshi274 wrote:
    Oh man, I missed it! I really had to, though. My brother and I were trying to get one of our cats off our roof.
    you missed it. your cat would've survived man.
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    sluggmunki_tx

    [451]Mar 25, 2006
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    sly4me wrote:
    Senshi274 wrote:
    Oh man, I missed it! I really had to, though. My brother and I were trying to get one of our cats off our roof.
    you missed it. your cat would've survived man.


    That's too bad
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    FreakishChild

    [452]Mar 25, 2006
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    sluggmunki_tx wrote:
    sly4me wrote:
    Senshi274 wrote:
    Oh man, I missed it! I really had to, though. My brother and I were trying to get one of our cats off our roof.
    you missed it. your cat would've survived man.


    That's too bad


    Family pets are more important than what's on TV. Senshi made the right desicion. How can TV replace something precious?
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    sluggmunki_tx

    [453]Mar 25, 2006
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    FreakishChild wrote:
    sluggmunki_tx wrote:
    sly4me wrote:
    Senshi274 wrote:
    Oh man, I missed it! I really had to, though. My brother and I were trying to get one of our cats off our roof.
    you missed it. your cat would've survived man.


    That's too bad


    Family pets are more important than what's on TV. Senshi made the right desicion. How can TV replace something precious?


    Yeah, you're right. You made a point. Lives are more important than what's on TV.
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    PrinceZukoLover

    [454]Mar 25, 2006
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    13 more days till the new episode
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    sly4me

    [455]Mar 25, 2006
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    PrinceZukoLover wrote:
    13 more days till the new episode
    lol. may be we should save the countdown for the "return to omashu" discussion thread.
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    kawaiiairbender

    [456]Mar 25, 2006
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    Did anyone else think that Song's outfit looked like traditional Korean clothing??
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    MCMLXVI

    [457]Mar 25, 2006
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    Soshi_Strife728 wrote:
    Why do people watch Avatar for love? Kataang is just to...IDK...freaky. But I don't watch it for love, I watch it for the action, btw are there more girls here then guys?
    sluggmunki_tx wrote:
    I watch it for the storylines and the action but a little romance never hurts.
    I doubt I'd want to watch Avatar if it turned into a love story unless it's Aang and some woman other than Katara, or Zuko and some woman other than Katara, or Katara and some other man. IOW, I wouldn't want the main characters of the story thus far to have romance between them.
    But that's just IMO.
    Edited on 03/25/2006 8:06pm
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    MCMLXVI

    [458]Mar 25, 2006
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    FreakishChild wrote:
    Family pets are more important than what's on TV. Senshi made the right desicion. How can TV replace something precious?
    Is this a trick question?
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    karatewolfpunk

    [459]Mar 25, 2006
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    MCMLXVI wrote:
    Soshi_Strife728 wrote:
    Why do people watch Avatar for love? Kataang is just to...IDK...freaky. But I don't watch it for love, I watch it for the action, btw are there more girls here then guys?
    sluggmunki_tx wrote:
    I watch it for the storylines and the action but a little romance never hurts.
    I doubt I'd want to watch Avatar if it turned into a love story unless it's Aang and some woman other than Katara, or Zuko and some woman other than Katara, or Katara some other man. IOW, I wouldn't want the main characters of the story thus far to have romance between them.
    But that's just IMO.


    I watch for action and romance, but I'd rather be all-action than all-romance.
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    echelon101

    [460]Mar 25, 2006
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    i thought the episode was pretty good. although it centered mainly on hinting about a possible relationship between aang and katara, i was glad that it also focused on zuko and his uncle meeting up with an earth-kingdom family and knowing about their suffering caused by the fire nation. although i like the idea of aang and katara being together, i'm glad the creators didn't make them kiss because that would have been too early int he show for something like that. right now i'd prefer if the focus was more on aang mastering bending with a little aang and katara moments now and then.
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