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OFFICIAL DISCUSSION: is the avatar cycle broken?

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    Magicalboy

    [41]Dec 3, 2006
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    There might be a consequence just like in Buffy Season 6/7, the cycle is probably??screwed up right now since it looked like Aang died and the cycle was destroyed but then he was revived so...

    If Aang did die in the Avatar State, but was revived he still died no matter what, so isn't possible for another avatar to have awaken since things didn't go normally? Yes I know the show is about Aang &?? blah blah blah but that's one of the things that I think are possible..

    Edited on 12/03/2006 7:32am
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    shadowscott

    [42]Dec 3, 2006
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    i think that he did die...then Katara used her water to bring him back to life. as for his AS powers, they are reborn and aang can still use them.
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    PrimoNation

    [43]Dec 3, 2006
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    As I agreed to in the other thread that was started a day before this one... I think he was 'dying'... but not dead; therefore the Avatar spirits were never lost.

    Did Aang loose his Avatar powers???!!!

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    qertvbnpop

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    mueske wrote:
    He didn't die... Unconsious anyone? Even his arrow lighted up, so no the cycle hasn't been broken.

    yea, i think he was unconsious too, because there is no evidence that he died.?? but there is clear evidence that he is still avile, so the avatar cycle isnt broken.

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    metalcurtainrod

    [45]Dec 3, 2006
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    Where is the proof that he died?!

    If you're going to start freaking out about the avatar cycle being broken, at least make sure he actually died. None of the characters said anything along the lines that he died; there were no "OMG he's dead" or "I don't feel a pulse!"

    I don't think Katara's water, as powerful as it may be, can bring back the dead.
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    SydneyLassorot

    [46]Dec 3, 2006
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    Aang was definitely dead for a few minutes. Here's the proof.

    1. When Azula hit Aang with the lightning bolt, not only did Aang fall down, but the gigantic Avatar Spirit fell down too. I don't think that would have happened if Aang was simply wounded.

    2. When Katara was healing Aang, nothing happened. His wounds stayed the same, and then Katara started crying. That means that Katara's healing didn't work, and the only reason that it wouldn't work is if Aang was dead. Seeing that Aang was dead and she couldn't do anything, Katara started crying.

    3. Aang began to show signs of life after the arrow on his head glowed. The arrow on his head only glows when he is in the Avatar State. Therefore the huge amounts of cosmic energy that go into Aang are what cause the glowing. So perhaps the cosmic energy was still entering Aang, and that is what brought him back from death. He opened the last of his chakras after all, so the flow of cosmic energy into him must have been greater than ever, and because he is the avatar, that cosmic energy might have been enough to bring him back to life.

    I think that all the previous Avatars are gone now, so Aang can't get anymore help from Roku, but Aang is the beginning of a new Avatar cycle, and he will still be able to enter the Avatar State and control the four elements. He might also be less powerful in the Avatar State than he would have been normally.

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    PrimoNation

    [47]Dec 3, 2006
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    SydneyLassorot wrote:

    Aang was definitely dead for a few minutes. Here's the proof.

    1. When Azula hit Aang with the lightning bolt, not only did Aang fall down, but the gigantic Avatar Spirit fell down too. I don't think that would have happened if Aang was simply wounded.

    2. When Katara was healing Aang, nothing happened. His wounds stayed the same, and then Katara started crying. That means that Katara's healing didn't work, and the only reason that it wouldn't work is if Aang was dead. Seeing that Aang was dead and she couldn't do anything, Katara started crying.

    3. Aang began to show signs of life after the arrow on his head glowed. The arrow on his head only glows when he is in the Avatar State. Therefore the huge amounts of cosmic energy that go into Aang are what cause the glowing. So perhaps the cosmic energy was still entering Aang, and that is what brought him back from death. He opened the last of his chakras after all, so the flow of cosmic energy into him must have been greater than ever, and because he is the avatar, that cosmic energy might have been enough to bring him back to life.

    I think that all the previous Avatars are gone now, so Aang can't get anymore help from Roku, but Aang is the beginning of a new Avatar cycle, and he will still be able to enter the Avatar State and control the four elements. He might also be less powerful in the Avatar State than he would have been normally.

    If all the other spirits were gone, Aang's arrows would not glow.?? Roku explained in the Winter Soltice that Aang's arrows glowing were a combination of all avatar spirits passed.??

    As for the cosmic Aang falling... that is just a representation of him himself.?? The cosmic Aang also disappeared when Aang 'disappeared' (left) the spirit connection during the Guru episode.... so if Aang is falling in his Avatar state, of course, the cosmic Aang will begin to fall as well.

    Iroh stated in SoTN that even Katara could not heal the fallen spirit... it had been 'mortally' wounded.?? The spirit was only revived with the touch of Princess Yue (remember her touch was the??moon's spirit life force that??had been infused within her)??- so as powerful as the water oasis water is, it??CANNOT bring back the dead.?? Aang was DYING... he was losing the battle, when Katara touched him with her healing??using the spirit-enhanced water it triggered a reaction to turn the tides within him.?? The spirits within Aang were present by the arrows glow once again... now he needs time to heal completely.

    Edited on 12/03/2006 9:04am
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    odarp

    [48]Dec 3, 2006
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    In response to Post #46 and others:

    1. Who knows what the falling of Aang and the giant Aang in the Avatar state symbolized (although I postulate it was just mirroring what was actually happening). During his chakra training with the Guru, Aang fell and the Giant Avatar Aang disappeared when he was unwilling to "let go" of Katara. He certainly didn't die then, right??

    2. "...the only reason [Katara's healing powers] wouldn't work is if Aang was dead." Don't you remember the episode in Season 2 when Jet was injured (possibly dying ;-) ) and Katara's healing wasn't helping? There are apparently times when she can't do anything to help, even if the person isn't dead.

    3. Wouldn't the show as we know it be over if Aang did die in the Avatar state? The title of the show is after all: "Avatar: The Last Air Bender" or "Avatar: [Aang]". Further, the Avatar gets his or her power not just from combining the four elements, but from the power of his previous lives. They said the eclipse would happen two months from today in the last episode. That hardly seems like enough time for Aang to relearn the lessons of his past 1000 lives. The Avatar links his current life with that of his previous ones. If the Avatar cycle was broken, wouldn't Aang return to just being an Air bender? I would venture to guess, though, that the next season will begin with Aang's healing process and a further realization of his strengths and weaknesses. Further, Azula knows not to kill Aang because they would have to start the Avatar search all over again. If Roku had to tell Aang about the consequences of dying in the Avatar state, who would have told Azula?

    4. Does anyone else think that Iroh will end up being Aang's fire bending master, and that Iroh and Zuko planned to fool Azula into believing that Zuko was on her side? After all, during the fight, when Katara said to Zuko: "I thought you changed!" He replied, "I did!" My guess is that Iroh is training Zuko to take his rightful place on the Fire Nation's Throne - as a King who doesn't want to rule the world, but rather live in it peacefully.
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    odarp

    [49]Dec 3, 2006
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    Ok, I'm not stupid or a plagiarist. Response #47 was posted during my typing of response #48. lol
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    doctor_lee

    [50]Dec 3, 2006
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    Falcondude123 wrote:
    DarkPaladin1000 wrote:
    He did die, the cycle was broken

    but because he was brought back the cycle begins again. The Avatar State won't be as powerful, that was the point of him dieing, imagine how easy it would be for Aang to go to the fire nation glow it up and make it an easy fight. He may also struggle with Water, Earth and Fire a bit now that he is the lone Avatar instead of a whole line of Avatars to help him in spirit, somewhat of a longer shot, just a thought I had. Roku won't be able to help him anymore, at least not until Aang finds a way to relink the Avatar Cycles. He will go through emotional pains, dealing with his own mortality (like people do who have near death experiences, or in Aang's case a death experience) but he will be better for it. At least, that is what I see coming from this...


    Yes indeed, this sounds like a good direction to go with this. In fact, I doubt Aang is the first avatar to die in avatar state, so the reincarnation cycle thingy can be restarted.

    Sorry to break it to you, but if an Avatar dies in the Avatar state, the Avatar cycle will be broken.
    Infact, Aang is probably the first Avatar to die in an Avatar state.
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    esteven20

    [51]Dec 3, 2006
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    why is everyone saying the aang died because if he did die and lose his avatar powers then there would be no point in even doing the show anymore

    i thought all of you would know by now that the show is called avatar the last airbender not airbender the last avatar
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    esteven20

    [52]Dec 3, 2006
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    im glad thats ended the subject
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    toph_rox_ur_sox

    [54]Dec 3, 2006
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    Aang didn't die. Aaang didn't loose his AS. Azula just K.O.'d Aang. AANG DIDN'T DIE!Don't you ppl pay close attention?
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    Master_M2K

    [55]Dec 3, 2006
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    But if Aang didn't die then why did the animators feel the need to show the clip, in the prologue,??when Avatar Roku said "If you are killed in the Avatar state, then the reincarnation cycle is broken....."? you get the rest. Well I think there is a reason why this was shown, like all the other prologues.
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    kataang4eva081

    [56]Dec 3, 2006
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    Here's two situations which are reasonable to what happened:

    1.) He DID die when struck by lightning. Ok people, there was a hole through his body, I mean the whole electricity/lightning going through all of his body must have??knocked out his heart or something. Its almost impossible to survive that. It went right through him and proabably stopped his heart and brain. And his BigMe Aang version started to loose its glow and just fell over. And Azula's smile, she shot to kill, KILL, she didn;t want to just hurt him a little, she had a job to do, and she had a perfect oppurtunity to not only kill the current avatar but stop anymore from coming so as the fire nation could finally claim victory. She is the last person to pass this??golden oppurtunity up, she wanted to kill and smiled becuase she did??so. BUT, when Katara brought him back to life, his avatar powers/spirit came back as well, hence the glow. "The glow is the combination of all your past lives focusing their energy through your body." So all the past avatar are "alive" and kicking and still with aang. There's a reason why avatar roku stressed the death in the avatar state speech, and that's why they put it in the "previously on avatar" thing. Why do you think Katara cried when she didn't think the spirit oasis water worked? She thought her best friend and possible love had just DIED, not just mortally wounded. This is the most likely case.??

    2.) He was on death's doorstep and didn't loose his powers and katara just sort of saved him from death. He still has all his powers and connections to the past avatars and such.

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    esteven20

    [57]Dec 3, 2006
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    i thought ended the subject but if you want to carry on the theorys i will carry on disagreeing
    Edited on 12/03/2006 11:50am
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    metalcurtainrod

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    kataang4eva081 wrote:

    Here's two situations which are reasonable to what happened:

    1.) He DID die when struck by lightning. Ok people, there was a hole through his body, I mean the whole electricity/lightning going through all of his body must have??knocked out his heart or something. Its almost impossible to survive that. It went right through him and proabably stopped his heart and brain. And his BigMe Aang version started to loose its glow and just fell over. And Azula's smile, she shot to kill, KILL, she didn;t want to just hurt him a little, she had a job to do, and she had a perfect oppurtunity to not only kill the current avatar but stop anymore from coming so as the fire nation could finally claim victory. She is the last person to pass this??golden oppurtunity up, she wanted to kill and smiled becuase she did??so. BUT, when Katara brought him back to life, his avatar powers/spirit came back as well, hence the glow. "The glow is the combination of all your past lives focusing their energy through your body." So all the past avatar are "alive" and kicking and still with aang. There's a reason why avatar roku stressed the death in the avatar state speech, and that's why they put it in the "previously on avatar" thing. Why do you think Katara cried when she didn't think the spirit oasis water worked? She thought her best friend and possible love had just DIED, not just mortally wounded. This is the most likely case.??

    2.) He was on death's doorstep and didn't loose his powers and katara just sort of saved him from death. He still has all his powers and connections to the past avatars and such.



    I think it was the 2nd one.
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    esteven20

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    metalcurtainrod wrote:
    kataang4eva081 wrote:

    Here's two situations which are reasonable to what happened:

    1.) He DID die when struck by lightning. Ok people, there was a hole through his body, I mean the whole electricity/lightning going through all of his body must have knocked out his heart or something. Its almost impossible to survive that. It went right through him and proabably stopped his heart and brain. And his BigMe Aang version started to loose its glow and just fell over. And Azula's smile, she shot to kill, KILL, she didn;t want to just hurt him a little, she had a job to do, and she had a perfect oppurtunity to not only kill the current avatar but stop anymore from coming so as the fire nation could finally claim victory. She is the last person to pass this golden oppurtunity up, she wanted to kill and smiled becuase she did so. BUT, when Katara brought him back to life, his avatar powers/spirit came back as well, hence the glow. "The glow is the combination of all your past lives focusing their energy through your body." So all the past avatar are "alive" and kicking and still with aang. There's a reason why avatar roku stressed the death in the avatar state speech, and that's why they put it in the "previously on avatar" thing. Why do you think Katara cried when she didn't think the spirit oasis water worked? She thought her best friend and possible love had just DIED, not just mortally wounded. This is the most likely case.

    2.) He was on death's doorstep and didn't loose his powers and katara just sort of saved him from death. He still has all his powers and connections to the past avatars and such.



    I think it was the 2nd one.


    finaly someone who hasnt got stupid theorys and is speaking logically
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    JAKandDAX123

    [60]Dec 3, 2006
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    The cycle is not broken, because he did not die.

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