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Sokka ship?

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    SapphireStones

    [1421]Mar 28, 2008
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    SgtHydra wrote:

    Zucest.

    *disappears into the shadows*


    YEAH! *high fives*
    lol
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    wiseone_777

    [1422]Mar 29, 2008
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    WaterLily16 wrote:

    Spike815 wrote:
    I like the message Zutara sends to kids. "Remember, it doesn't matter how many times you betray or hurt someone. If your smexy enough they'll forgive you."

    As far as smexiness goes, do you really think Katara is that shallow?

    No, but Ty Lee is.
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    WaterLily16

    [1423]Mar 29, 2008
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    Spike815 wrote:
    WaterLily16 wrote:

    Spike815 wrote:
    I like the message Zutara sends to kids. "Remember, it doesn't matter how many times you betray or hurt someone. If your smexy enough they'll forgive you."

    As far as smexiness goes, do you really think Katara is that shallow?

    No. That's why I don't ship Zutara.

    Katara making a decision based on smexiness IS what's shallow. Not Zutara. "Smexiness" is not the reason I ship Zutara.

    It seems that the others in the group have at least warmed up slightly to Zuko. Is that because Zuko is smexy enough for them as well?

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    tomtitan

    [1424]Mar 29, 2008
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    here's a little story about teen high school romance. learn from it. it's all true, every word.

    note: the following is relevant.

    i had a crush on this girl in my class for a really long time. i won't go into why i liked her, because that's besides the point, the point is, i really wanted her to be my girlfriend. i guess you could say i wanted the ship to happen.

    As the school year progressed, we got closer to each other. we became friends, we started talking to each other a lot and i was convinced that this meant that she liked me too. why else would she say hi to me in teh corridoor unless she liked me too? why would she want to talk to me unless she liked me?

    this was what i thought. obvioulsy i considered that she might just want to be friends, but i couldn't accept that, i was so blinded by my feelings that i saw everything as evidence that she liked me too.

    it wasn't only us getting closer that convinced me she liked me too, we were randomly put next to each other in our history class's seating plan, we were put as a couple in drama class, in random seating assignments we were put near each other. it was as if destiny wanted us to be together.

    seems like lame reasoning doesn't it? well it is lame. but when you're blinded by what you want so much even the most insane logic seems reasonable.

    well eventually i plucked up the courage and asked her out. i mean, with so much evidence in my face it had to be true that she liked me. so guess what happened.......

    we lived happily ever after? hardly! she very kindly....rejected me..

    ouch.

    so, everything i thought was evidence wasn't. every time i thought she liked me, i was wrong. i was stuck in the friend zone. i only saw what i wanted to see. i couldn't open my mind to the possibility that she just didn't like me in the same way i liked her.

    so, here's the relevance of the story:

    1. i had a huge crush on a girl at school.

    2. i wanted the ship to happen. a lot.

    3. i started seeing everything as evidence that she liked me too.

    4. i even thought something higher up wanted us to be together.

    5. even the most insane logic seemed completey reasonable.

    6. i didn't consider the possibility that i was wrong. i only saw what i wanted to see.

    7. i was wrong.

    now consider this zutarians.

    1. you want zutara to happen.

    2. you think it will. (if you don't this doesn't apply to you)

    3. you see even the smallest thing as evidence for your ship.

    4. you even think that MDD and BK thought of the ship before the series even began.

    5. any logic seems reasonable to you.

    6. you see what you wanted to see. you open your mind to the possibility that you're wrong, but then you disregard that possibility.

    7. you're wrong? that's up to you to decide.

    in short, just consider the possibility that you're seeing what isn't really there.

    and now the conclusion to High School Sap Story.

    i still have a crush on her, even though i know it's hopeless. i think she's with someone else, but i don't know. i've never had a girlfriend. i haven't asked out anyone ever since. we're not even friends anymore. ever since i asked her out we kinda stopped talking to each other. probably because it's too awkward.

    hmm, now that i think about it. she's taller than me, she's a bit older, and i think she's now with someone taller than her. where have i heard that before?.......

    /whinging about how bad my life is.

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    AllKnowingBeing

    [1425]Mar 29, 2008
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    Zutaraians I just got one question to ask. If you really think Zutara is going to happen why is it that last time(COD) you got you ass handed to us(Kataangs) on a sliver plater?
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    daveshanFromGMU

    [1426]Mar 29, 2008
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    Tomtitan, you do realise that the scenario you just presented sounds exactly like Aang's relationship with Katara, right? Meets a girl, starts getting close to her, makes a move, and she hasn't made a move back. That's Katara and Aang's relationship.

    AllKnowingBeing wrote:
    Zutaraians I just got one question to ask. If you really think Zutara is going to happen why is it that last time(COD) you got you ass handed to us(Kataangs) on a sliver plater?
    Please reword this in the form of a question that makes sense. Right now it sounds like you are saying that Kataangers won a round, so that means that Zuko and Katara won't be together.

    Edited on 03/29/2008 7:16am
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    tomtitan

    [1427]Mar 29, 2008
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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    Tomtitan, you do realise that the scenario you just presented sounds exactly like Aang's relationship with Katara, right? Meets a girl, starts getting close to her, makes a move, and she hasn't made a move back. That's Katara and Aang's relationship.
    i realise it's very similar to kataang, i did mention briefly at the end the kataang similarities. but i was addressing the zutarians.
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    WiseLad

    [1428]Mar 29, 2008
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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    Tomtitan, you do realise that the scenario you just presented sounds exactly like Aang's relationship with Katara, right? Meets a girl, starts getting close to her, makes a move, and she hasn't made a move back. That's Katara and Aang's relationship.


    Tomtitan, before you asked her out(in parenthesis reference to ATLA)

    did she kiss you in the cheek,(countless times) did she take care of you when you were injured? (many times, specially at COD) did she dance with you? (headband) did she offered to kiss you out of necessary? (Cave of two lovers), did she embrace you while teaching you something? (in some cases when kat was bending teaching Aang)
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    tomtitan

    [1429]Mar 29, 2008
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    WiseLad wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    Tomtitan, you do realise that the scenario you just presented sounds exactly like Aang's relationship with Katara, right? Meets a girl, starts getting close to her, makes a move, and she hasn't made a move back. That's Katara and Aang's relationship.


    Tomtitan, before you asked her out(in parenthesis reference to ATLA)

    did she kiss you in the cheek,(countless times) did she take care of you when you were injured? (many times, specially at COD) did she dance with you? (headband) did she offered to kiss you out of necessary? (Cave of two lovers), did she embrace you while teaching you something? (in some cases when kat was bending teaching Aang)
    ....no
    she just said hi to me in the corridoor a couple of times...
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    AllKnowingBeing

    [1430]Mar 29, 2008
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    AllKnowingBeing wrote:
    Zutaraians I just got one question to ask. If you really think Zutara is going to happen why is it that last time(COD) you got you ass handed to us(Kataangs) on a sliver plater?
    Please reword this in the form of a question that makes sense. Right now it sounds like you are saying that Kataangers won a round, so that means that Zuko and Katara won't be together.

    [/QUOTE]I'm just saying everytime you Zutaraians get your hopes up it get dashed in your eyes.(like COD and Western Air Temple)
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    WiseLad

    [1431]Mar 29, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    WiseLad wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    Tomtitan, you do realise that the scenario you just presented sounds exactly like Aang's relationship with Katara, right? Meets a girl, starts getting close to her, makes a move, and she hasn't made a move back. That's Katara and Aang's relationship.


    Tomtitan, before you asked her out(in parenthesis reference to ATLA)

    did she kiss you in the cheek,(countless times) did she take care of you when you were injured? (many times, specially at COD) did she dance with you? (headband) did she offered to kiss you out of necessary? (Cave of two lovers), did she embrace you while teaching you something? (in some cases when kat was bending teaching Aang)
    ....no
    she just said hi to me in the corridoor a couple of times...


    I think Kat said somewhat hi in a cave to Zuko
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    daveshanFromGMU

    [1432]Mar 29, 2008
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    WiseLad wrote:
    Tomtitan, before you asked her out(in parenthesis reference to ATLA) did she kiss you in the cheek,(countless times) did she take care of you when you were injured? (many times, specially at COD) did she dance with you? (headband) did she offered to kiss you out of necessary? (Cave of two lovers), did she embrace you while teaching you something? (in some cases when kat was bending teaching Aang)
    1. My female friends have done that to me and other guy friends

    2. So helping a friend not die = being in love?

    3. And then make no romantic advances towards you after said dance?

    4. Ok, let's end this. Someone saying "Let's kiss or we die." =/= being in love in any way, shape, or form.

    5. Hugs for doing a good job? Is that really your argument here?

    EDIT:

    AllKnowingBeing wrote:
    I'm just saying everytime you Zutaraians get your hopes up it get dashed in your eyes.(like COD and Western Air Temple)
    Oh, now I see what you were going for. Well, I can't really answer that because I didn't even give a Zuko and Katara (or any) relationship much thought until I saw TFM. So I'm not the guy to talk to about that.

    Edited on 03/29/2008 7:31am
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    WiseLad

    [1433]Mar 29, 2008
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    Tomtitan: I think kataang will happen, and I give my support to that; but there is a slight chance zutara happens if Brike wants that

    Wiselad: possibilites as of right now point toward kataang; it doesn't matter too much if kat ends with either Zuko or Aang, but if Zutara happens, it has to be well written how it comes about, and I don't want either kataang or Zutara to happen because the other dies

    Dave: I believe strongly in Zutara, all evidence used by kataangers are foolish and blinded thoughts, Brike MUST be ready to make Zutara happen because I am sure what it is what they have planned, there is no chance that kataang will happen

    did I get you two right Tom and dave? I know I got myself correctly

    Edited on 03/29/2008 7:56am
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    tomtitan

    [1434]Mar 29, 2008
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    WiseLad wrote:

    Tomtitan: I think kataang will happen, and I give my support to that; but there is a slight chance zutara happens if Brike wants that

    Wiselad: possibilites as of right now point toward kataang; it doesn't matter too much if kat ends with either Zuko or Aang, but if Zutara happens, it has to be well written how it comes about, and I don't want either kataang or Zutara to happen because the other dies

    Dave: I believe strongly in Zutara, all evidence used by kataangers are foolish and blinded thoughts, Brike MUST be ready to make Zutara happen because I am sure what it is what they have planned, there is no chance that kataang will happen

    did I get you two right Tom and dave? I know I got myself correctly

    pretty much spot on. i'm pretty sure it will happen, but i'm prepared to keep my mind open to the possibility of zutara.
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    tomtitan

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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    Tomtitan, you do realise that the scenario you just presented sounds exactly like Aang's relationship with Katara, right? Meets a girl, starts getting close to her, makes a move, and she hasn't made a move back. That's Katara and Aang's relationship.

    AllKnowingBeing wrote:
    Zutaraians I just got one question to ask. If you really think Zutara is going to happen why is it that last time(COD) you got you ass handed to us(Kataangs) on a sliver plater?
    Please reword this in the form of a question that makes sense. Right now it sounds like you are saying that Kataangers won a round, so that means that Zuko and Katara won't be together.

    the point isn't the relationship itself, it's how i interpreted things. i realise the actual crush in similar to kataang, but you're missing the point.
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    daveshanFromGMU

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    WiseLad wrote:
    Dave: I believe strongly in Zutara, all evidence used by kataangers are foolish and blinded thoughts, Brike MUST be ready to make Zutara happen because I am sure what it is what they have planned, there is no chance that kataang will happen

    did I get you two right Tom and dave? I know I got myself correctly

    Close. I wouldn't use foolish, but I would use blinded. Other than that, everything sounds right.

    tomtitan wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    Tomtitan, you do realise that the scenario you just presented sounds exactly like Aang's relationship with Katara, right? Meets a girl, starts getting close to her, makes a move, and she hasn't made a move back. That's Katara and Aang's relationship.

    the point isn't the relationship itself, it's how i interpreted things. i realise the actual crush in similar to kataang, but you're missing the point.
    Ok, now I see what you were going for. I got nothing else to say in response to that other than what I said about how the scenario relates to Katara and Aang's relationship.

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    WiseLad

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    now I "kind of" want Kataang to happen, just to see what Dave would say......... as he doesn't even give it a tiny bit of a chance to happen
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    tomtitan

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    WiseLad wrote:
    now I "kind of" want Kataang to happen, just to see what Dave would say......... as he doesn't even give it a tiny bit of a chance to happen
    i know what he'll say.
    right after katara says 'aang, i love you too' then they make out, then in the epilogue where they're married with 7 kids, and zuko and mai are married with 8 kids, he'll say this.
    'please, this means nothing. zuko and katara are obviously going to break up with mai and aang respectively and leave their total of 15 kids then go off and marry each other'.
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    daveshanFromGMU

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    tomtitan wrote:
    WiseLad wrote:
    now I "kind of" want Kataang to happen, just to see what Dave would say......... as he doesn't even give it a tiny bit of a chance to happen
    i know what he'll say. right after katara says 'aang, i love you too' then they make out, then in the epilogue where they're married with 7 kids, and zuko and mai are married with 8 kids, he'll say this. 'please, this means nothing. zuko and katara are obviously going to break up with mai and aang respectively and leave their total of 15 kids then go off and marry each other'.

    LOL!

    Wiselad: If you want it to happen, that's what you want. I've given up trying to change people's minds. I'm just giving you the heads up that it won't happen.

    Tomtitan: No, a new war will erupt. Aang, Mai, and all of the children will be killed. Then Zuko and Katara will be together.

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    SapphireStones

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    Okay, well, let me just clear things up with my opinions on it.Because i'm kinda tired of people telling ME why I like a ship.

    When Avatar first started out, I was a big fat Kataang shipper (gasp!). Aww, how cute they are! Aww, what a perfect couple they'd make! Squee! Katara kissed him on the cheek!

    So yeah. It was like that for awhile. The harmony and peace they had between each other in every single situation and the close bond they have, it IS cute. Can't deny that.

    But what I DO like about Zutara (and what ended up coversing me) were the possibilities. NOT NECESSARILY SAYING ITS GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE IT PROBABLY ISNT). But if you're anything like a hidden romantic such as I, you'd also see it. maybe. Zuko coming from the Fire Nation. Katara, coming from the Water tribe. Their people mortal enemies. Their elements complete opposites. Opposites...attract! I just like the whole ROmeo/Juliet kind of background it could have behind it...minus eveyrone dying. I like how two people who come from two different worlds could come together and be with each other and stand between the obstacles that they got from being together. Stuff like that. Kinda like the legend of the two lovers in that Cave episode where Katara and Aang kissed (*shudder*).

    So it isn't I ship it because I think it's gonna happen (cause I seriously doubt it will). I just ship it because it fascinates me the most, and i'd love to see it happen. If it doesn't, then fine. No skin off my back. But does that mean because it isn't gonna happen I shouldn't like it??
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