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Sokka ship?

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    esquisofrenic

    [1461]Mar 30, 2008
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    Lea-chan wrote:

    I think I just realized something.

    In Comic Con, they had a ton of picture of possible ships, right? Remember the one with Blue SpiritxAzula?

    I seriously think they're showing that Zucest is a possibility. =p

    http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/004/182.jpg

    hahahhahahahhahah true including koh with azula
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    assasin61

    [1462]Mar 30, 2008
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    wiseone_777 wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    assasin61 wrote:
    SapphireStones wrote:
    Well, Zuko does look quite handsome. Who could resist all his manliness?
    i really didnt like zuko until saw a flashback where he was fighting hois dad shirtless
    So you didn't like him until you saw him as a shirtless 13 year-old boy? Someone call Dateline.
    Go Zuky!....
    never mind i was seriously lying but i do know that there was an episode in his TEEN form when he was shrtless ever since i saw that episode i wived him its just the only episode where i can actually remember him bein shurtless was wen he fought his dad so assumed it was trhat episode
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    Lindz-Chan

    [1463]Mar 30, 2008
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    Zuko is Smexy

    Zutara, George and Taang FTW!!! (im probably the only Taang fan here lolz)

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    AllKnowingBeing

    [1464]Mar 30, 2008
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    AllKnowingAzula(AllKnowingBeing+Azula) is canon! Mike and Bryan have already stated it will happen! (teleaports back to the Moon)
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    Uchiha0000

    [1465]Mar 31, 2008
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    You wish!
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    assasin61

    [1466]Mar 31, 2008
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    how about aanzula?
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    tomtitan

    [1467]Mar 31, 2008
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    hmm.. this thread had kinda died. so i'll bump my sob story up to this page so we can debate about it some more. (and so y'all can feel sorry for me)
    tomtitan wrote:

    here's a little story about teen high school romance. learn from it. it's all true, every word.

    note: the following is relevant.

    i had a crush on this girl in my class for a really long time. i won't go into why i liked her, because that's besides the point, the point is, i really wanted her to be my girlfriend. i guess you could say i wanted the ship to happen.

    As the school year progressed, we got closer to each other. we became friends, we started talking to each other a lot and i was convinced that this meant that she liked me too. why else would she say hi to me in teh corridoor unless she liked me too? why would she want to talk to me unless she liked me?

    this was what i thought. obvioulsy i considered that she might just want to be friends, but i couldn't accept that, i was so blinded by my feelings that i saw everything as evidence that she liked me too.

    it wasn't only us getting closer that convinced me she liked me too, we were randomly put next to each other in our history class's seating plan, we were put as a couple in drama class, in random seating assignments we were put near each other. it was as if destiny wanted us to be together.

    seems like lame reasoning doesn't it? well it is lame. but when you're blinded by what you want so much even the most insane logic seems reasonable.

    well eventually i plucked up the courage and asked her out. i mean, with so much evidence in my face it had to be true that she liked me. so guess what happened.......

    we lived happily ever after? hardly! she very kindly....rejected me..

    ouch.

    so, everything i thought was evidence wasn't. every time i thought she liked me, i was wrong. i was stuck in the friend zone. i only saw what i wanted to see. i couldn't open my mind to the possibility that she just didn't like me in the same way i liked her.

    so, here's the relevance of the story:

    1. i had a huge crush on a girl at school.

    2. i wanted the ship to happen. a lot.

    3. i started seeing everything as evidence that she liked me too.

    4. i even thought something higher up wanted us to be together.

    5. even the most insane logic seemed completey reasonable.

    6. i didn't consider the possibility that i was wrong. i only saw what i wanted to see.

    7. i was wrong.

    now consider this zutarians.

    1. you want zutara to happen.

    2. you think it will. (if you don't this doesn't apply to you)

    3. you see even the smallest thing as evidence for your ship.

    4. you even think that MDD and BK thought of the ship before the series even began.

    5. any logic seems reasonable to you.

    6. you see what you wanted to see. you open your mind to the possibility that you're wrong, but then you disregard that possibility.

    7. you're wrong? that's up to you to decide.

    in short, just consider the possibility that you're seeing what isn't really there.

    and now the conclusion to High School Sap Story.

    i still have a crush on her, even though i know it's hopeless. i think she's with someone else, but i don't know. i've never had a girlfriend. i haven't asked out anyone ever since. we're not even friends anymore. ever since i asked her out we kinda stopped talking to each other. probably because it's too awkward.

    hmm, now that i think about it. she's taller than me, she's a bit older, and i think she's now with someone taller than her. where have i heard that before?.......

    /whinging about how bad my life is.

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    Uchiha0000

    [1468]Mar 31, 2008
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    As for the above:

    You, as most (I'm assuming younger) males do incorrectly is assume that acceptance of friendship is confirmation that romantic feelings are developing. This is in no way saying that friends can't develop into romances, but in the mind of a woman, there are clear and solid boundaries for crushes/love interests and friends/best friends. Reading your post I feel you realize this.

    Although you don't give us much to go on about the relationship in question, I'm sure most men, including myself have been in a similar/identical situation before. Talking from my own experience, you can tell when a friendship is planting the seeds of a romance much more clearly only after being rejected a few times.

    There's a subtle 'click' that goes off where you know the feelings are genuine and mutual and not just you putting on Utopian glasses. When you find someone (find 'someone' not necessarily THE someone, as I believe there are many, many people one can fall into love with forever) that you can click with, you will just feel it. It sounds cliche but that's how it works.

    Also, although it seems like a big deal when in Middle School or High School, Age, Height, Hair Color...etc, all those awkward stereotypes of ideal relationships are moot when it comes to real love. Love transcends age and time when it's real. I live with my girlfriend of 2 years and she's 4 years older than me. It's more about the age of the mind that matters, which is more commonly called maturity. If that matches, no age of the body will matter.

    I didn't have my first girlfriend until very late in High School, through many crushes and rejections. Looking back at those crushes I laugh and can realize what oddities they were. Good sure-fire tips are to become friends with her friends, as you never know what inside info you can get, and it makes it less complicated further down the road if you started dating her and hanging with her crowd.

    As for the shipping part, I don't feel that you can apply the principals of your example to that of any 'shipping'. The entire point of a ship is that it's what you ideally want. I'm sure most shippers realize what develops in the story and what doesn't, but they remain true to their desires. Shipping also is a term exclusively used on fiction. Fiction works are dreams, and thus, so are shippings. It's not really something that can be taken away just with evidence, and certainly not something that follows the rules of real relationships.

    Edited on 03/31/2008 12:10pm
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    tomtitan

    [1469]Mar 31, 2008
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    Uchiha0000 wrote:

    As for the above:

    You, as most (I'm assuming younger) males do incorrectly is assume that acceptance of friendship is confirmation that romantic feelings are developing. This is in no way saying that friends can't develop into romances, but in the mind of a woman, there are clear and solid boundaries for crushes/love interests and friends/best friends. Reading your post I feel you realize this.

    Although you don't give us much to go on about the relationship in question, I'm sure most men, including myself have been in a similar/identical situation before. Talking from my own experience, you can tell when a friendship is planting the seeds of a romance much more clearly only after being rejected a few times.

    There's a subtle 'click' that goes off where you know the feelings are genuine and mutual and not just you putting on Utopian glasses. When you find someone (find 'someone' not necessarily THE someone, as I believe there are many, many people one can fall into love with forever) that you can click with, you will just feel it. It sounds cliche but that's how it works.

    Also, although it seems like a big deal when in Middle School or High School, Age, Height, Hair Color...etc, all those awkward stereotypes of ideal relationships are moot when it comes to real love. Love transcends age and time when it's real. I live with my girlfriend of 2 years and she's 4 years older than me. It's more about the age of the mind that matters, which is more commonly called maturity. If that matches, no age of the body will matter.

    I didn't have my first girlfriend until very late in High School, through many crushes and rejections. Looking back at those crushes I laugh and can realize what oddities they were. Good sure-fire tips are to become friends with her friends, as you never know what inside info you can get, and it makes it less complicated further down the road if you started dating her and hanging with her crowd.

    As for the shipping part, I don't feel that you can apply the principals of your example to that of any 'shipping'. The entire point of a ship is that it's what you ideally want. I'm sure most shippers realize what develops in the story and what doesn't, but they remain true to their desires. Shipping also is a term exclusively used on fiction. Fiction works are dreams, and thus, so are shippings. It's not really something that can be taken away just with evidence, and certainly not something that follows the rules of real relationships.


    well i'm not going to comment on everything you just said. so i'll summarise.

    nicely put.
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    Spacerac

    [1470]Mar 31, 2008
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    Uchiha0000 wrote:

    As for the above:

    You, as most (I'm assuming younger) males do incorrectly is assume that acceptance of friendship is confirmation that romantic feelings are developing. This is in no way saying that friends can't develop into romances, but in the mind of a woman, there are clear and solid boundaries for crushes/love interests and friends/best friends. Reading your post I feel you realize this.

    Although you don't give us much to go on about the relationship in question, I'm sure most men, including myself have been in a similar/identical situation before. Talking from my own experience, you can tell when a friendship is planting the seeds of a romance much more clearly only after being rejected a few times.

    There's a subtle 'click' that goes off where you know the feelings are genuine and mutual and not just you putting on utopian glasses. When you find someone (find 'someone' not nessecarily THE someone, as I believe there are many, many people one can fall into love with forever) that you can click with, you will just feel it. It sounds cliche but that's how it works.

    I didn't have my first girlfriend until very late in High School, through many crushes and rejections. Looking back at those crushes I laugh and can realize what oddities they were. Good sure-fire tips are to become friends with her friends, as you never know what inside info you can get, and it makes it less complicated further down the road if you started dating her and hanging with her crowd.

    As for the shipping part, I don't feel that you can apply the principals of your example to that of any 'shipping'. The entire point of a ship is that it's what you ideally want. I'm sure most shippers realize what develops in the story and what doesn't, but they remain true to their desires. Shipping also is a term exclusively used on fiction. Fiction works are dreams, and thus, so are shippings. It's not really something that can be taken away just with evidence, and certainly not something that follows the rules of real relationships.

    Very nice posts, both of you. Though sometimes (me for example), you can have solid evidence that a girl like you, for ex., she clearly says "I kinda like you." It's what happens afterwards that determines the future of the two of you. She can suddenly not like you anymore and for no apparent reason, just like that. (Not what happen to me, but I can't write it here because it's basically a novel.)
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    Uchiha0000

    [1471]Mar 31, 2008
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    Girls are fickle, younger more than older and guys for the most part aren't mature or responsible enough making any lasting young relationships truly difficult and rare, though very tested and strong. Although there was always a lot of peer pressure at that age to "have a girlfriend and be cool" I feel as though it was more to just be in a relationship for the sake of being in a relationship, totally defeating the true point. It's not surprising most don't last at that age.
    Edited on 03/31/2008 12:22pm
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    Spacerac

    [1472]Mar 31, 2008
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    Uchiha0000 wrote:
    Girls are fickle, younger more than older and guys for the most part aren't mature or responsible enough making any lasting young relationships truly difficult and rare, though very tested and strong. Although there was always a lot of peer pressure at that age to "have a girlfriend and be cool" I feel as though it was more to just be in a relationship for the sake of being in a relationship, totally defeating the true point. It's not surprising most don't last at that age.
    oh yes, now all we need is a girls point of view on this. Too bad there are no girls on the internets.
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    Uchiha0000

    [1473]Mar 31, 2008
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    It's funny you say that, because I met my girlfriend from 1,000 miles away, over the internet, and as I said we've been together for 2 years and live together, so maybe you can get my objective view on this topic.
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    tomtitan

    [1474]Mar 31, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    Uchiha0000 wrote:
    Girls are fickle, younger more than older and guys for the most part aren't mature or responsible enough making any lasting young relationships truly difficult and rare, though very tested and strong. Although there was always a lot of peer pressure at that age to "have a girlfriend and be cool" I feel as though it was more to just be in a relationship for the sake of being in a relationship, totally defeating the true point. It's not surprising most don't last at that age.
    oh yes, now all we need is a girls point of view on this. Too bad there are no girls on the internets.
    what was that saying?
    the internet, where all men are men, all girls are men and all children are secretly undercover FBI agents.

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    GLM-2P

    [1475]Mar 31, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    hmm.. this thread had kinda died. so i'll bump my sob story up to this page so we can debate about it some more. (and so y'all can feel sorry for me)
    tomtitan wrote:

    here's a little story about teen high school romance. learn from it. it's all true, every word.

    note: the following is relevant.

    i had a crush on this girl in my class for a really long time. i won't go into why i liked her, because that's besides the point, the point is, i really wanted her to be my girlfriend. i guess you could say i wanted the ship to happen.

    As the school year progressed, we got closer to each other. we became friends, we started talking to each other a lot and i was convinced that this meant that she liked me too. why else would she say hi to me in teh corridoor unless she liked me too? why would she want to talk to me unless she liked me?

    this was what i thought. obvioulsy i considered that she might just want to be friends, but i couldn't accept that, i was so blinded by my feelings that i saw everything as evidence that she liked me too.

    it wasn't only us getting closer that convinced me she liked me too, we were randomly put next to each other in our history class's seating plan, we were put as a couple in drama class, in random seating assignments we were put near each other. it was as if destiny wanted us to be together.

    seems like lame reasoning doesn't it? well it is lame. but when you're blinded by what you want so much even the most insane logic seems reasonable.

    well eventually i plucked up the courage and asked her out. i mean, with so much evidence in my face it had to be true that she liked me. so guess what happened.......

    we lived happily ever after? hardly! she very kindly....rejected me..

    ouch.

    so, everything i thought was evidence wasn't. every time i thought she liked me, i was wrong. i was stuck in the friend zone. i only saw what i wanted to see. i couldn't open my mind to the possibility that she just didn't like me in the same way i liked her.

    so, here's the relevance of the story:

    1. i had a huge crush on a girl at school.

    2. i wanted the ship to happen. a lot.

    3. i started seeing everything as evidence that she liked me too.

    4. i even thought something higher up wanted us to be together.

    5. even the most insane logic seemed completey reasonable.

    6. i didn't consider the possibility that i was wrong. i only saw what i wanted to see.

    7. i was wrong.

    now consider this zutarians.

    1. you want zutara to happen.

    2. you think it will. (if you don't this doesn't apply to you)

    3. you see even the smallest thing as evidence for your ship.

    4. you even think that MDD and BK thought of the ship before the series even began.

    5. any logic seems reasonable to you.

    6. you see what you wanted to see. you open your mind to the possibility that you're wrong, but then you disregard that possibility.

    7. you're wrong? that's up to you to decide.

    in short, just consider the possibility that you're seeing what isn't really there.

    and now the conclusion to High School Sap Story.

    i still have a crush on her, even though i know it's hopeless. i think she's with someone else, but i don't know. i've never had a girlfriend. i haven't asked out anyone ever since. we're not even friends anymore. ever since i asked her out we kinda stopped talking to each other. probably because it's too awkward.

    hmm, now that i think about it. she's taller than me, she's a bit older, and i think she's now with someone taller than her. where have i heard that before?.......

    /whinging about how bad my life is.

    I do not remember that user in this forum mentioned that the ship which we support in the show is closely related to the love affair that we would like to have in our lives.

    It is very curious to read your story and I understand you, I hope that you overcome your setback this, I am perhaps also, I share the same story but from the other perspective, I am a girl older than him for 2 years and he is my best friend is a lot of fun and even spiritually there is understanding, lately I have enjoyed very much but I do not want to idealize blinded or anything, I like to analyze and determine everything carefully, perhaps not as zutarians but if carefully, I have many clues even slightly like "The headband", or "DOBS" xD and everything is very ambiguous and lends much to the subjectivity of what you really want it to mean.

    I ship Kataang but 1 year before this happened to me, unconsciously want to happen Kataang on a par with what is happening in my life, but if none is not the case I will have to ask for your mail and buy a litre of ice cream xD

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    momothelemur

    [1476]Mar 31, 2008
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    Random thought of the day: if Katara's name hadn't been changed and was still Kya then some people would ship Zukya and Kyaang...
    Okay, random thought over

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    avataraang4

    [1477]Mar 31, 2008
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    momothelemur wrote:

    Random thought of the day: if Katara's name hadn't been changed and was still Kya then some people would ship Zukya and Kyaang...
    Okay, random thought over

    i surpose they would

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    Uchiha0000

    [1478]Mar 31, 2008
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    momothelemur wrote:

    Random thought of the day: if Katara's name hadn't been changed and was still Kya then some people would ship Zukya and Kyaang...
    Okay, random thought over

    Sifu Kya would sound the funniest. Like some asian dish or something.

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    daveshanFromGMU

    [1479]Mar 31, 2008
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    Uchiha0000 wrote:

    Sifu Kya would sound the funniest. Like some asian dish or something.

    Aang would enjoy that meal. He may even lick the plate clean. :p
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    Psyche987

    [1480]Mar 31, 2008
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    Poor Tomtitan. heheh! Yes, you maybe blinded by love. But to compare it to Zutara? I don't think so. There's a difference between fiction and reality. Some Zutarians think Zutara will happen because a LOT of writers on shows would make Zutara happen, because of the 'opposites attract' and 'friction means actually loving each other in the end' idea. Ofcourse who says that's realistic in real life?

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