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    isabelwhatx

    [281]Aug 18, 2008
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    Eh, that's true. I want to find out specifically what he is. Maybe he's a mutant
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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Eh, that's true. I want to find out specifically what he is. Maybe he's a mutant


    lol
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    Axrendale

    [283]Aug 18, 2008
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    I think that it's a firebending ability. Azula displayed the ability to do an incredibly weak version of it in "The Beach".
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    isabelwhatx

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    But why does her choose to only use that specific ability? I'm sure that regular firebending would've helped him if he used it along with his freakish sparky sparky boom moves.
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    Axrendale

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    But why does her choose to only use that specific ability? I'm sure that regular firebending would've helped him if he used it along with his freakish sparky sparky boom moves.

    Perhaps it's because he is so strong with the combustion ability. All power must come at a price, and mabye Combustion Man's was concentrating on his combustion to the exclusion of all else.

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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    Combustion is way more powerful than any other kind of Firebending (maybe not as powerful as Lightninh)... It blocked of and destroyed both Katara and Toph's bending attacks, and blows of builidng parts within seconds (See "The Western Air Temple)... I think it might just be his own little version of Firebending, but it is definitely part of Fire.

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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    Well, it's stronger than normal fire anyways,
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    TitanPredator

    [288]Aug 19, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
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    Thanks Axrendale =], How did I forget Combustion Man AND Colonel Monkegue...? *Facepalm*

    My new and improved ranking:

    1. Ozai

    2. Iroh

    3. Sane Azula

    4. Joint: Jeong Jeong AND Insane Azula

    6. Combustion Man

    7. Post FBM Zuko

    8. Pre FBM Zuko

    9. Zhao

    10. Colonel Monkegue

    QFT and this/

    Well, I'm 100% sure Jeong Jeong is better than the insane Azula. Zuko managed to block her attacks and fire some good attacks at het. Since we all agree Jeong Jeong is more powerfull than Zuko, I think we can assume he can do that to. Maybe even a little better. But the big difference it that Jeong Jeong would never have made the mistake Zuko did, so Jeong Jeong would have pwnd her at that moment. It took insane Azula about 10 seconds to generate lightning, measured from the first spark to the moment she released it. That is certainly enough for a good bender to take her out. And it took Jeong Jeong 3 seconds to put up his massive wall of fire to stop Zhao's fleet. And then he wasn't boosted by the comet! So Jeong Jeong pwns insane Azula!

    In book 2 chapter 1 it took Azula a little 3 seconds, also measured from the first spark to the moment of release. In "the chase" it took her a little less time. So in my opinion: Azula might tire Jeong Jeong by shooting blue flames at him for a long time, but we don't know exact how good Jeong Jeong's stamina is, but let's just assume Azula her's is better. When he get's tired she could deliver the finishing blow with lightning, but if he isn't tired enough, that 2 or 3 seconds may be enough to launch blast of fire at her. That blast could burn her and hurt her alot and knock her off balance. She then could electrocute herself or give Jeong Jeong more time to launch another blast and finish the fight. But seriously, 2 or 3 seconds in a fight is a DAMN lot. And experienced bender will never let that opportunity slip away. It could give Jeong Jeong enough time for the blast. The lightning may hit him first, but then she doesn't have time enough to avoid Jeong Jeong's attack and she get's hurt anyway. So in my opinion it's still a 50/50 situation between the 2 of them. If the 3 seconds are enough for him to launch a blast, he will win. If not, Azula will win. But we can't say that for sure, but I think 3 seconds are enough. And it may not be wise for Jeong Jeong to create another giant wall of fire if Azula is to close. But if she is still like 100 foot away, it might be. And at the moment she bends her way trough it he strikes. But if she is to close, she strike Jeong Jeong. So I realy think they are evenly matched, when both sane. It sure would be a nice fight. 50/50 in my opinion.

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    Axrendale

    [289]Aug 19, 2008
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    TitanPredator wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:

    Thanks Axrendale =], How did I forget Combustion Man AND Colonel Monkegue...? *Facepalm*

    My new and improved ranking:

    1. Ozai

    2. Iroh

    3. Sane Azula

    4. Joint: Jeong Jeong AND Insane Azula

    6. Combustion Man

    7. Post FBM Zuko

    8. Pre FBM Zuko

    9. Zhao

    10. Colonel Monkegue

    QFT and this/

    Well, I'm 100% sure Jeong Jeong is better than the insane Azula. Zuko managed to block her attacks and fire some good attacks at het. Since we all agree Jeong Jeong is more powerfull than Zuko, I think we can assume he can do that to. Maybe even a little better. But the big difference it that Jeong Jeong would never have made the mistake Zuko did, so Jeong Jeong would have pwnd her at that moment. It took insane Azula about 10 seconds to generate lightning, measured from the first spark to the moment she released it. That is certainly enough for a good bender to take her out. And it took Jeong Jeong 3 seconds to put up his massive wall of fire to stop Zhao's fleet. And then he wasn't boosted by the comet! So Jeong Jeong pwns insane Azula!

    In book 2 chapter 1 it took Azula a little 3 seconds, also measured from the first spark to the moment of release. In "the chase" it took her a little less time. So in my opinion: Azula might tire Jeong Jeong by shooting blue flames at him for a long time, but we don't know exact how good Jeong Jeong's stamina is, but let's just assume Azula her's is better. When he get's tired she could deliver the finishing blow with lightning, but if he isn't tired enough, that 2 or 3 seconds may be enough to launch blast of fire at her. That blast could burn her and hurt her alot and knock her off balance. She then could electrocute herself or give Jeong Jeong more time to launch another blast and finish the fight. But seriously, 2 or 3 seconds in a fight is a DAMN lot. And experienced bender will never let that opportunity slip away. It could give Jeong Jeong enough time for the blast. The lightning may hit him first, but then she doesn't have time enough to avoid Jeong Jeong's attack and she get's hurt anyway. So in my opinion it's still a 50/50 situation between the 2 of them. If the 3 seconds are enough for him to launch a blast, he will win. If not, Azula will win. But we can't say that for sure, but I think 3 seconds are enough. And it may not be wise for Jeong Jeong to create another giant wall of fire if Azula is to close. But if she is still like 100 foot away, it might be. And at the moment she bends her way trough it he strikes. But if she is to close, she strike Jeong Jeong. So I realy think they are evenly matched, when both sane. It sure would be a nice fight. 50/50 in my opinion.

    You're forgetting her other lightning strike in the finale, where it took her all of two seconds to spin around once, lie down in a comfortable position on a rooftop, and then launch her lightning bolt at Katara. So Azula is capable of summoning lightning at Ozai speed.

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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    But we have NEVER seen, Azula try her fully hardest to create Electricity/Lightning... She never really gives it her all in fights/parts that involve lightning generation... For all we know she could have the ability to generate it as quickly as Ozai... Can you name just ONE moment, where she has been shown to find lightning generation difficult or physically hard in any way, state or manner, to the point where she has never been able to bend/create it... We haven't seen the limit of her speed when it comes to generating lightning, hell, the girl can do it while she is SANE AND INSANE... Actually, it's pretty ironic that I mention her mental breakdown, because, like Axrendale said, she generated it fairly quickly while in her mental breakdown too. To be perfectly honest, her ability to generate lightning (whether sane or not) has never really been something she has found hard... I think at her full mite and strength (sane or insane) she could generate it as fast as Ozai... Besides, Azula has the best strategy and techniques you could ask for in a Firebender. I just think that Insane Azula perfectly rivals Jeong Jeong, because whatever state we have seen her in, she just hasn't ever went her ull zenith to create lightning, and I think if she did, she would be pretty quick at it... Jeong Jeong (as much as I love the guy) is getting pretty old, isn't very agile and I can't really see him having the best stamina... Besides lightning is alot harder to create than a fire wall... You once again make a great debate, all of you, its an honour to be here! =D
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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    And I don't think she would underestimate Jeong Jeong (Yes, I DO believe she underestimated Zuko (but who can blame her, she has kicked his ass since day 1)). I don't think Insane Azula gave it her everything in that last Agni Kai... Call me crazy, but I personally believe she had more in the tank than she looked like she had. I don't even think Insane Azula would bother with her blue fire when it comes to Jeong Jeong... I think she would just use her youth, superior agility and smarts (if she was good enough to create lightning while she was insane, I'm assuming she is still smart enough to evade attacks) to evade all his attacks froma fair distance away, and then, shoot lightning at him... Jeong Jeong would have no where to go... But then again this is just how I see it...
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    isabelwhatx

    [292]Aug 19, 2008
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    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    But we have NEVER seen, Azula try her fully hardest to create Electricity/Lightning... She never really gives it her all in fights/parts that involve lightning generation... For all we know she could have the ability to generate it as quickly as Ozai... Can you name just ONE moment, where she has been shown to find lightning generation difficult or physically hard in any way, state or manner, to the point where she has never been able to bend/create it... We haven't seen the limit of her speed when it comes to generating lightning, hell, the girl can do it while she is SANE AND INSANE... Actually, it's pretty ironic that I mention her mental breakdown, because, like Axrendale said, she generated it fairly quickly while in her mental breakdown too. To be perfectly honest, her ability to generate lightning (whether sane or not) has never really been something she has found hard... I think at her full mite and strength (sane or insane) she could generate it as fast as Ozai... Besides, Azula has the best strategy and techniques you could ask for in a Firebender. I just think that Insane Azula perfectly rivals Jeong Jeong, because whatever state we have seen her in, she just hasn't ever went her ull zenith to create lightning, and I think if she did, she would be pretty quick at it... Jeong Jeong (as much as I love the guy) is getting pretty old, isn't very agile and I can't really see him having the best stamina... Besides lightning is alot harder to create than a fire wall... You once again make a great debate, all of you, its an honour to be here! =D

    It's so true. Azula has NEVER tried her hardest, except in the finale and she still wasn't at her full power.
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    Axrendale

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    ThisCrazyGuy, your posts are epic win.
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    TitanPredator

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    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    But we have NEVER seen, Azula try her fully hardest to create Electricity/Lightning... She never really gives it her all in fights/parts that involve lightning generation... For all we know she could have the ability to generate it as quickly as Ozai... Can you name just ONE moment, where she has been shown to find lightning generation difficult or physically hard in any way, state or manner, to the point where she has never been able to bend/create it... We haven't seen the limit of her speed when it comes to generating lightning, hell, the girl can do it while she is SANE AND INSANE... Actually, it's pretty ironic that I mention her mental breakdown, because, like Axrendale said, she generated it fairly quickly while in her mental breakdown too. To be perfectly honest, her ability to generate lightning (whether sane or not) has never really been something she has found hard... I think at her full mite and strength (sane or insane) she could generate it as fast as Ozai... Besides, Azula has the best strategy and techniques you could ask for in a Firebender. I just think that Insane Azula perfectly rivals Jeong Jeong, because whatever state we have seen her in, she just hasn't ever went her ull zenith to create lightning, and I think if she did, she would be pretty quick at it... Jeong Jeong (as much as I love the guy) is getting pretty old, isn't very agile and I can't really see him having the best stamina... Besides lightning is alot harder to create than a fire wall... You once again make a great debate, all of you, its an honour to be here! =D

    But why wouldn't Azula have tried her hardest. In "the avatar state" on the ship, she pushed herself to the limits! She was realy focusing, and trying as hard as she could. But you bring some good points. But I'm still 100% sure Jeong Jeong could kill the insane Azula. Zuko nearly did untill he god arrogant and stupid. A mistake Jeong Jeong would never make, because concentration and discipline is what he relies on during firebending. But the sane Azula could kick Jeong Jeong's ass. But it would be a difficult fight for her. VERY difficult. I give it now a 60/40 in favor of Azula. Jeong Jeong has a chance to win. But there is one thing I'd like to say. Jeong Jeongs all destoying walls of fire are created faster than lightning. And that walls can't be dodged. There where created under a second! And can destroy 20 tanks in one time. So if that wall hit's Azula is DEAD. But that was during the comet, but Azula's fastest lightning was during the comet to, and still the wall was faster. Faster than even Ozai's lightning.

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    isabelwhatx

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    The walls are only used, really, as a defense mechanism. Of course they can take out twenty tanks, but those twenty tanks aren't as agile as Azula. Azula, I'm sure, could jump out of the way. They aren't that thick. The only thing Jeong Jeong supporters have to cling on to is the fire wall, which I don't think will help in a one on one fight.
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    TitanPredator

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    The walls are only used, really, as a defense mechanism. Of course they can take out twenty tanks, but those twenty tanks aren't as agile as Azula. Azula, I'm sure, could jump out of the way. They aren't that thick. The only thing Jeong Jeong supporters have to cling on to is the fire wall, which I don't think will help in a one on one fight.

    Well, Azula couldn't jump out of the way, because the wall was as wide as the whole street. And she can't jump over and 30 meter high wall. And I'm sure he could have made them wider. And IF it hit's Azula, she's dead. No way she could survive somthing that can take out 20 tanks in one hit.

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    Axrendale

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    If Zhao could part Jeong Jeong's Fire Wall as easily as he did, I have no doubt that Azula could do it in her sleep.

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    TitanPredator

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    Axrendale wrote:

    If Zhao could part Jeong Jeong's Fire Wall as easily as he did, I have no doubt that Azula could do it in her sleep.

    I'm not talking about that one. And we already had that discussed. That wall was just to force Zhao's ships to go on shore. And he didn't want to harm anyone! We agreed on that. I'm talking about the one during the comet. Yeah, I know their power was boosted by the combet, but so was Azula's 2 second lightning.

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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    Not to sound rude or anything (You are a great debater and user and I truly respect you ), but your not really listening to me when I say Azula's lightning generation abilites, have never been shown to give her even an ounce of trouble... WE DO NOT KNOW HOW QUICK, FAST, ACCURATE AND EASY her ability to create lightning is, at it her full zenith and strength... Azula has never tried to summon lightning quickly, but rather, accurately... If she wanted to generate lightning fastly, I'm sure her speed when it comes to generating lightning could just as easily rival Ozai's... Whether she is insane or not, your call, we have never seen her try to create lightning fastly, and she could be quite good at it... I think if she really put her mind to it, no matter what state she is mentally or physically in, she could generate rather quickly, and I'm sure Axrendale and isabelwhatx would agree with me. Also, the size of that fire wall UPWARDS, was the size of a few streets, but the size of it actual thickness wasn't that uber... It's like, a pencil being stood up on it's own, is easily bigger than an army of ants, but it's actual thickness isn't much of a threat, as they could run, dive (or in this case crawl) out of it's way... I hope this makes as much sense to you as it does in my head.

    Also, have you seen Azula's athletic ability...? She has been shown to be amazing at hand-to-hand combat and gymnastics/acrobatics (this is all stuff that Axrendale has brought up in the past) and I am sure she could dodge it, she is young, smart, agile and physically quick... I just don't think that the fire wall would give her much of a problem. Hell, as I said before, if she was trying her quickest and fastest to creat lightning, she could obliterate that firewall, before it even reached her, besides, that fire wall was only as big as it was because of the comet, and the fact that Jeong Jeong has tremendous amounts of experience... And I know what your going to say, Azula lightning was only that quick because of the comet... WRONG. Azula (as I have stated many times before) wasn't trying with that lightning, let alone trying to create it QUICKLY, we still have not and probably never will see Azula try to create lightning in a rush, something I proudly think she could do (Whether insane or not)... And yes, lightning is MUCH harder to create than a fire wall, that part is just obvious. Zhao walked straight threw the wall when Jeong Jeong wasn't trying, BUT, Azula's superiority in Firebending to Zhao's is almost embarassing for Zhao... I think his ability to walk threw the fire wall Jeong Jeong created without even trying is his equvalent to Azula being able to able to walk threw a fire wall Jeong Jeong created WITH trying (with the aid of some serious blue flames)... Yep, that's right, I said, call me crazy lol, but that is what I believe. I am not saying Azula is stronger physically stronger than metal tanks, but her concentration is deadly and I firmly believe (with some help from seriously strong blue fire) she would walk threw it... But it would get to that because Azula's agility would prevail, leading to her HARDY, but STILL, dodging it. Either that or she could block it with some serious, mega blue flames. I really can't see that being her downfall (not that I can see her having a downfall at all though )... When we see Azula try to create lightning OR try to creat lightning QUICKLY, we will be able to judge her electric ability... Until then, she defeats Jeong Jeong is my eyes... You make a good argument though, once again a pleasure!

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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    Writing Correction (Hey, I get way to excited ): I am not saying Azula is physically stronger than metal tanks, but her concentration is deadly and I firmly believe (with some help from some seriously strong blue fire) she would walk threw it... But it *WOULDN'T* get to that because Azula's agility would prevail, leading to her HARDLY, but STILL, dodge it (Jeong Jeong's fire-wall).

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