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how does azula bend blue fire

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    VincentMagius

    [101]Oct 18, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    VincentMagius,

    I can see I have degraded you to the state of childish retorts. I win.


    We all lost, but you went first.
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    tc2r

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    VincentMagius wrote:
    dumbTVnut wrote:
    VincentMagius,

    I can see I have degraded you to the state of childish retorts. I win.


    We all lost, but you went first.


    "I win" told you he just argues to argue...
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    zachman9393

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    I believe that Azula learned to Bend blue fire simply by improvisation and sheer skill.?? Iroh came up with his lightning moves in the same way, and Zuko came up with fighting with jets of fire shooting out of his fists, in much the same way I imaging someone with two double-edged knives might fight.?? It's all skill and creativity.?? Ooh, and Aang made up the Air Scooter.
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    JonathonWolf

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    @Lachlaan:?? I don't think there's anything I disagree with in your statements.?? Had to read through quite a bit of posts.?? In fact, I think you are saying pretty much what I have been saying.?? My words have just been lost in larger and larger arguments.?? You are also making the same mistake I make in arguing dumbTVnut.?? You are assuming that the writers are using basic storytelling and using real world physics as much as possible to create a sense of connection with the audience.?? You are also using basic logic and observation skills to make your theories.?? The original question was why didn't Azula's blue fire melt the shields of the Kyoshi warriors.?? My response was short and simple: it takes sustained heat to melt metal.?? But all answers will be wrong because this is a cartoon.?? Regardless of any proof, all answers will always be wrong because of that.?? Cartoons do not have any laws of nature or science, though there are practices that remain constant within the continuity of the cartoon.?? Looney Tunes Adventures was almost the kids learning the cartoon physics of the Looney Tunes world.

    Yes, Azula's fire could be because she is a girl.?? If it weren't for the fact that we see her bending red fire in Zuko Alone.?? Maybe it's because she hit puberty.?? Maybe she's an alien.?? Hey, maybe she has some airbender in her.?? Until science found out about microscopic organisms, society thought that sicknesses were because of demons, witchcraft, or leading a sinful life.?? The saying goes that you should write from what you know.?? The writers know real world physics, so they are using that.?? Until something occurs within canon to change the observation that a great deal of real world science applies to that world, we can assume that real world science does apply.?? That is part of the Scientific Method, the backbone of scientific discovery.?? But, it won't matter.?? Because the only argument that matters is that it's a cartoon, so even canon doesn't prove anything if it goes against what you want to believe.?? It's all just ink, paint, and celluloid.?? It's not like there's a story involved anywhere in the process.?? I mean, what's the point of having a Continuity Supervisor.?? Obviously, that person is just a waste of money.
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    Murraymuzz

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    Even though that this is a cartoon they do use real world physics, most Anime shows use real world physics with their own creative twists to them, i mean we know that there are physics in the show because of gravity, which Aang laughs at. So if we know there is a connection with Avatar world and our world, then there must be more. If it was like a looney tunes cartoon, where they constantly defy laws of physics, then you wouldn't be watching it because it wouldn't make sense. Also we know that bending is not magic it's an ancient art practiced throughout the ages, so there must be some element of truths in the show, otherwise they could have just said that bending is magic. They do this because even though this show is a cartoon, they try to make it as realistic as possible, as JonathonWolf said, this is so maybe people might believe this can come true and it can be real, which is what intrigues most viewers.
    Edited on 10/18/2006 3:52pm
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    PrimoNation

    [106]Oct 18, 2006
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    Murraymuzz wrote:
    PrimoNation wrote:

    I'm trying to figure out why there is so much discussion about "how azula bends blue fire" when in the episode Bitter Works it specifically says "lightning" and it is explained in that episode how it is done. Below is a direct quote for the episode recap from this website:

    Meanwhile, back in another part of the desert, Zuko explains to a waking uncle Iroh that Azula had unleashed a surprise lightning attack on him (which, in fact, wasn't all too much of a surprise).



    Umm he said it was a suprise attack not suprise lightning attack.
    Not trying to put you down or anything.

    I'm sorry you did not read where I got that from... that was a direct cut and paste from the episode recap from this website?? (i.e. suprise "lightning" attack".... go check it yourself

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    Murraymuzz

    [107]Oct 18, 2006
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    Well that information is incorrect as i have the episode.
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    KilalaRose

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    PrimoNation wrote:
    Murraymuzz wrote:
    PrimoNation wrote:

    I'm trying to figure out why there is so much discussion about "how azula bends blue fire" when in the episode Bitter Works it specifically says "lightning" and it is explained in that episode how it is done. Below is a direct quote for the episode recap from this website:

    Meanwhile, back in another part of the desert, Zuko explains to a waking uncle Iroh that Azula had unleashed a surprise lightning attack on him (which, in fact, wasn't all too much of a surprise).



    Umm he said it was a suprise attack not suprise lightning attack.
    Not trying to put you down or anything.

    I'm sorry you did not read where I got that from... that was a direct cut and paste from the episode recap from this website?? (i.e. suprise "lightning" attack".... go check it yourself

    Ain't it sad that people can't tell the difference between lightning and blue fire???they're two different things.??here, I quote myself:
    KilalaRose wrote:
    Let me re-post the pics GIVElove put up. The top one is blue fire, the bottom one is lighting. As Airawende said, thunder is a sound. Blue fire is just hotter than regular (orange) fire. Lighting is, well, that flashy stuff you see in storms. Wow, how mysitcal. It takes more time to generate, and the difference is sort of obvious. And let's not forget what the characters said: Katara referred to Azula as the girl with the blue fire while Iroh was teaching Zuko lightning. Why would they refer to the same thing with different wording? Hmmm, I don't know, maybe because they are different!
    Edited on 10/18/2006 4:15pm
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    KilalaRose

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    Just to make it clearer, here're some more pictures. If you can't tell the difference, you're blind.....oh, and, if you notice during the show, when Azula makes lightning it makes a sort of static-y sound, when she makes blue fire it makes the regular fire sound.....
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    Luke_age707

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    I'm not sure if Iroh can actually control Blue Lightning like Azula can ... so much as he can redirect it ..... I haven't seen him actually do it without it happening to him first yet.??
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    Murraymuzz

    [111]Oct 18, 2006
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    PrimoNation wrote:
    Murraymuzz wrote:
    PrimoNation wrote:

    I'm trying to figure out why there is so much discussion about "how azula bends blue fire" when in the episode Bitter Works it specifically says "lightning" and it is explained in that episode how it is done. Below is a direct quote for the episode recap from this website:

    Meanwhile, back in another part of the desert, Zuko explains to a waking uncle Iroh that Azula had unleashed a surprise lightning attack on him (which, in fact, wasn't all too much of a surprise).



    Umm he said it was a suprise attack not suprise lightning attack.
    Not trying to put you down or anything.

    I'm sorry you did not read where I got that from... that was a direct cut and paste from the episode recap from this website?? (i.e. suprise "lightning" attack".... go check it yourself



    Well does this look like lightning or blue fire?



    So there you have it,??the information on the episode recap is incorrect.
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    Eman5805

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    that??reminds me of when I spilled blue raspberry??kool-aid on someone...
    Edited on 10/18/2006 4:46pm
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    Falcondude123

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    Lightning zaps people. Fire burns people. Firebenders somehow can bend both. (Even though lightning has nothing to do with fire scientifically) Maybe we should call them fire/static discharge benders.
    Lightning is electron overload inside of atoms jumping to atoms in need of electrons. Fire is oxygen atoms reacting with burnible substances in a process called combustion. I'm not quite sure how if you get good at one you are able to do the other.
    So like some of the original posts in this topic, it makes no sense.
    Blue flame on the other hand makes perfect sense.
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    Luke_age707

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    I think all the Elemental Benders have little Special Subdivisions where they can do things that average benders of the corresponding tribe can't do ... Some water benders can HEAL and Control Plantlife

    Some Fire Benders Can Control Lightening

    Some Earthbenders can Bend Sand instead of Rock
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    Eman5805

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    Falcondude123 wrote:
    Lightning zaps people. Fire burns people. Firebenders somehow can bend both. (Even though lightning has nothing to do with fire scientifically) Maybe we should call them fire/static discharge benders. Lightning is electron overload inside of atoms jumping to atoms in need of electrons. Fire is oxygen atoms reacting with burnible substances in a process called combustion. I'm not quite sure how if you get good at one you are able to do the other. So like some of the original posts in this topic, it makes no sense. Blue flame on the other hand makes perfect sense.

    "Lightning is the pure expression of Firebending, without aggression. It is not fueled by rage or emotion the way other Firebending is. Some call lightning the cold blooded fire. It is precise and deadly like Azula.??To perform the technique requires peace of mind. There is energy all around us. The energy is both Yin and Yang. Positive energy and negative energy. Only a select few Firebenders can seperate these energies. This creates an imbalance. The energy wants to restore balance, and in the moment the positive and negative energy come crashing back together, you provide release and guidence creating lightning." Word for word from Iroh in "Bitter Work"

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    FrozenKitty

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    Luke_age707 wrote:
    I think all the Elemental Benders have little Special Subdivisions where they can do things that average benders of the corresponding tribe can't do ... Some water benders can HEAL and Control Plantlife

    Some Fire Benders Can Control Lightening

    Some Earthbenders can Bend Sand instead of Rock


    Fire has Lightning, red fire, and blue fire
    Water has Ice,Water, and vines (book 2 ch.4 The Swamp)
    Air: has air and maybe sand i dunno if sand is earth or air
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    KilalaRose

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    FrozenKitty wrote:
    Luke_age707 wrote:
    I think all the Elemental Benders have little Special Subdivisions where they can do things that average benders of the corresponding tribe can't do ... Some water benders can HEAL and Control Plantlife Some Fire Benders Can Control Lightening Some Earthbenders can Bend Sand instead of Rock
    Fire has Lightning, red fire, and blue fire Water has Ice,Water, and vines (book 2 ch.4 The Swamp) Air: has air and maybe sand i dunno if sand is earth or air
    sand is EARTH. sand is just crushed up pieces of quartz and rocks. it even said that Sandbenders are Earthbenders who specialize in bending sand on the Avatar site on Nick.com (though it should be obvious already). Didn't you see Toph bend the sand solid? sure, the sandbenders might have looked like airbenders when they got on Appa's back in "Appa's Lost Days" but i found it??quite evident they were using the sand to propell themselves up onto his back.??
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    Luke_age707 wrote:
    I'm not sure if Iroh can actually control Blue Lightning like Azula can ... so much as he can redirect it ..... I haven't seen him actually do it without it happening to him first yet.


    Iroh created lightning in Bitter Work.?? He showed Zuko how to do it first.?? Zuko tried, but he couldn't get it right.?? So, Iroh taught him how to redirect lightning.

    Also, scientifically, lightning and fire are plasma of different types.?? Fire is considered a naturally occurring low-temperature partial plasma; lightning is a naturally occurring high-temperature plasma
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    tokyoberry

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    i think it's actually lightning she bends instead of super hot fire like y'all said. Iroh actually siad in one of the episodes that she bends lightning.
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    Murraymuzz

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    tokyoberry wrote:
    i think it's actually lightning she bends instead of super hot fire like y'all said. Iroh actually siad in one of the episodes that she bends lightning.


    Uhh.... Just scroll up a little theres some pictures of the difference between lightning and blue fire
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