Avatar: The Last Airbender: how does azula bend blue fire

misterham
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misterham wrote:

in a 3 page thread
actually, you just made it the 4th page
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dumbTVnut
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JonathonWolf,

My argument is very simple and quite logical: it a CARTOON! I asked you to explain to me how a bolt of fire could bust a boulder, you have fail to do so, you can try, I don???t know how you would make a bolt of fire though with fuel, or for that matter make earth or water float in mid-air and do tricks, or make a kid glow and traveling to spirit worlds, because the physics of avatar are not applicable to our universe. Most of all it not physics per say: do you think the writers calculate equations and make up definite laws of physics, no they go ???hey that would be cool if zuko blows that guy???s rock wall down, let do it!??? regardless if it possible or not here, they make it possible there! Then the part that really gets me is when fans like you try to rationalize it all, no matter how convoluted or contrived your theories are, unless you know what the writers were thinking (or were not thinking) when they made it up, its is complete BS. Which brings me to my points: azula has blue fire, everyone assume it most be more power, well what have the writers and animators done to show this, what has blue fire done that red fire hasn???t? Let see well it did cut whole houses in half, blows through thick trees like butter, but wait it can???t blow through a thin foldable shield? Why can???t it, it should at least melt strait though or kill from the blow or what ever, why haven???t the animators show any consistent superior attributes of blue fire, unless the animators don???t actually care and just made blue fire to be fancy, pretty, for show. Please prove me otherwise, oh wait you can???t because it would be like arguing over star trek warp theory, or if smurfs are mammals or insects or how many angels fit on the head of a pin, completely pointless until the show writers (the god of their universe that they are) step in and say otherwise. So I have stated my evidence that the superior power of blue are inconsistent if not non-existent, you can complain and derive whatever untestable theories you want, it funny watching you try, even funnier then a treky speaking klingon, but there is hope: my prospective is completely a matter of my opinion and thus you to don???t need to believe it, you can continue to believe what ever crap you want to believe.
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misterham
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well i think that when azula threw fire at the warriors, it wasn't meant as a cutting or blasting through move like she did to aang. it was just a normal fireball. she probably didn't expect them to put all their shields together or something. and i think her fire broke through aang's rocks kinda like how spaceships are propelled by fire
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dumbTVnut

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misterham wrote:

well i think that when azula threw fire at the warriors, it wasn't meant as a cutting or blasting through move like she did to aang. it was just a normal fireball. she probably didn't expect them to put all their shields together or something. and i think her fire broke through aang's rocks kinda like how spaceships are propelled by fire

so every time someone managed to block azula attacks it was because she was nice or just stupid and allowed them to deflect it?

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misterham
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eh. corect! i dunno. she cut through a house with fire, but decided not to do it against aang in "the drill". maybe she wanted to see his face before he died. maybe that's why she didn't kill him right after he was knocked out.

orr maybe she wanted to keep the kyoshi worriors hostage so she didn't kill them.

when else did someone successfully block azula's fire?
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dumbTVnut
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or maybe the writers can't use her to the leetness that she is because she would easy kill all the major and minor characters in seconds.

Suki blocked her attack ~3 times, I think, I got to watch it off the DVR again.
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Eman5805
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If we can accept the fact that a human is shooting fire out if his/her limbs I think we can all accept whatever that fire does...be it not instantly melting shields or being strong enough to blast through rock...the topic creator wanted to know how she bends blue fire I think that's been answered: Mastery of breathe control or just cuz the creators wanted her to...can we drop the whole science chatter? nothing can be gained from it...lets all just chill n enjoy the show
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JonathonWolf
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Every answer to your questions has already been discussed previously in this thread. And interviews suggest the creators think of something cool and ask Sifu Kisu how to best implement it. He uses his martial arts knowledge to make it believable. I have never said that fire would break a stone wall; I have always said it was force. The closest documented example would be how martial artists can punch through concrete slabs. There is even video documenting a kung fu practitioner throwing a sewing needle into a plan of glass.

Wood vs Metal? I can kick through two inches of pine shelving, but the same kick will only bend metal. Metal, just like stone, will only melt under sustained heat that is hot enough. It's just like a frying pan. Otherwise, it only scorches. If the heat source is hot enough, it will flash fry the object.

Azula was able to cut the building because she focused the fire into a tight beam. For comparison, look at her cutting the house against the column of fire she toppled onto Aang earlier in the scene. It's just like a water cutter. Water is flowing at a specific rate(liters per second). The smaller you make the exiting aperture, the more force the water has(pounds per square inch). Fighter jets use the same principle for thrust. For science, let's assume 4 liters per second through two apertures of 1 square inch and 2 square inch. So, we are pushing 4 liters of water through each aperture per second. That's 4L/1 sq in * 2.205 lbs/1 L = 8.82 lbs/sq in and 4L/2 sq in * 2.205lbs/1 L = 4.41 lbs/sq in, respectively. The actual equation is the Bernoulli Equation, but it will support my statement if it doesn't quite support my calculations.

Smurfs would be classified as mammals. They are tiny herbivores with endoskeletons and hair. They breath oxygen since they have been seen to have nearly drowned and suffocated.

Spirits and their world are part of the Eastern philosophies.?? The means of interacting with them was just as much a science as anything today.?? The Japanese answer the telephone with mooshi mooshi because it was believed tanooki could not say it.?? Many shapeshifting spirits had some tell, such as a leaf on top of their head.?? There was a time that alchemy was considered a science.?? They even had formulas.?? Technically, it is possible to change lead into gold; but the process of changing the atomic structure would cost much more than the gold produced.?? Part of science is performing the same experiment repeatedly and getting the same result each time.?? If one were able to waive their hands in a specific pattern and say certain words, and a specific event occurred each time, then we would be studying the science of how it occurred.
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PrimoNation
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I'm trying to figure out why there is so much discussion about "how azula bends blue fire" when in the episode Bitter Works it specifically says "lightning" and it is explained in that episode how it is done. Below is a direct quote for the episode recap from this website:
Meanwhile, back in another part of the desert, Zuko explains to a waking uncle Iroh that Azula had unleashed a surprise lightning attack on him (which, in fact, wasn't all too much of a surprise). After a bitter taste of Zuko's home-made tea, it is agreed that Azula needs to be brought down, and to do so, Iroh will resume training Zuko in firebending. It looks like they'll be turning up the heat to match that of Azula, but doing so requires prince Zuko to face his shame and embrace humility. Zuko becomes frustrated that he can't seem to manipulate the energy and its balances correctly to create lightning, always receiving a blast in the face full of fire. Uncle Iroh reveals that he was afraid this would be the fate of his lesson. Zuko cannot master this technique because he still has too much turmoil inside of him that he must let go, allowing himself to be humble. Zuko seems to only partially understand as he confuses his pride for humility. Uncle finally imparts upon him the philosophies of the different groups, from fire nation to the very own water tribe. Zuko, confused, wonders why Uncle Iroh is teaching him about matters that would seem only relevant to the Avatar. He learns from his uncle that knowing more about who you deal with makes you a stronger contender in the long run, and leads him to learn how his Uncle created his own move to deflect lightning from the very waterbenders themselves. This pleases Zuko greatly. Zuko, armed with the knowledge that his uncle left him (in the deflecting lightning requires that you feel the energy travel from your fingertips, to your stomach and out your other hand - but never past the heart!), heads out into a developing storm. He had wanted his uncle to shoot lightning at him so he could deflect it, but after his uncle refused, he insisted he would find another way. Atop a mountain in the raging storm, he begins to tear as he realizes he might not get his chance to prove himself, as always seems to be the case for so much of his life. With that note and a blazing storm in the background, the episode ends...
??'END QUOTE'
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JonathonWolf

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PrimoNation wrote:

I'm trying to figure out why there is so much discussion about "how azula bends blue fire" when in the episode Bitter Works it specifically says "lightning" and it is explained in that episode how it is done. Below is a direct quote for the episode recap from this website:

Meanwhile, back in another part of the desert, Zuko explains to a waking uncle Iroh that Azula had unleashed a surprise lightning attack on him (which, in fact, wasn't all too much of a surprise). After a bitter taste of Zuko's home-made tea, it is agreed that Azula needs to be brought down, and to do so, Iroh will resume training Zuko in firebending. It looks like they'll be turning up the heat to match that of Azula, but doing so requires prince Zuko to face his shame and embrace humility. Zuko becomes frustrated that he can't seem to manipulate the energy and its balances correctly to create lightning, always receiving a blast in the face full of fire. Uncle Iroh reveals that he was afraid this would be the fate of his lesson. Zuko cannot master this technique because he still has too much turmoil inside of him that he must let go, allowing himself to be humble. Zuko seems to only partially understand as he confuses his pride for humility. Uncle finally imparts upon him the philosophies of the different groups, from fire nation to the very own water tribe. Zuko, confused, wonders why Uncle Iroh is teaching him about matters that would seem only relevant to the Avatar. He learns from his uncle that knowing more about who you deal with makes you a stronger contender in the long run, and leads him to learn how his Uncle created his own move to deflect lightning from the very waterbenders themselves. This pleases Zuko greatly. Zuko, armed with the knowledge that his uncle left him (in the deflecting lightning requires that you feel the energy travel from your fingertips, to your stomach and out your other hand - but never past the heart!), heads out into a developing storm. He had wanted his uncle to shoot lightning at him so he could deflect it, but after his uncle refused, he insisted he would find another way. Atop a mountain in the raging storm, he begins to tear as he realizes he might not get his chance to prove himself, as always seems to be the case for so much of his life. With that note and a blazing storm in the background, the episode ends...

'END QUOTE'

It's already been shown that lightning and blue fire are not directly related.?? Iroh can create lightning, but he has never used blue flames.

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Murraymuzz
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I don' think we should even try to apply physics to this show, i mean WATER CUTS THROUGH METAL, how is this possible, it is not.
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PrimoNation

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JonathonWolf wrote:

PrimoNation wrote:

'END QUOTE'

It's already been shown that lightning and blue fire are not directly related.?? Iroh can create lightning, but he has never used blue flames.

And, just for my recollection, when pray tell did Azula bend a "blue flame"... everytime I have seen her use her "special" bending it has always been blue lightning (i.e. from above "surprise lightning attack")... she controls the lightning and it becomes a part of her attack no different than a flame would be a part of an attack.?? AND as we have seen with other elements, particular water, IF you can control it, you can shape it into any form you want.

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Murraymuzz

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PrimoNation wrote:

Meanwhile, back in another part of the desert, Zuko explains to a waking uncle Iroh that Azula had unleashed a surprise lightning attack on him (which, in fact, wasn't all too much of a surprise).

Umm he said it was a suprise attack not suprise lightning attack.
Not trying to put you down or anything.

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PrimoNation wrote:

And, just for my recollection, when pray tell did Azula bend a "blue flame"... everytime I have seen her use her "special" bending it has always been blue lightning(i.e. from above "surprise lightning attack")... she controls the lightning and it becomes a part of her attack no different than a flame would be a part of an attack. AND as we have seen with other elements, particular water, IF you can control it, you can shape it into any form you want.

Not quite, she bends lightning, and BLUE FIRE, blue fire is hotter than what Zuko can do.

Just go to AvatarSpirit and look at the second season episodes where Azula uses both lightning and blue flame.. it will be different.

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Eman5805
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Murraymuzz wrote:

I don' think we should even try to apply physics to this show, i mean WATER CUTS THROUGH METAL, how is this possible, it is not.

well actually... it is possible...see for yourself...though the way Katara and Aang cut through metal with water is different...it's not wholey an impossible concept
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dumbTVnut
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JonathonWolf,

that was beautiful, I laugh all the way. If you ever want to argue science I'll go to a science forum, but here your argument is useless if not hilarious.
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Murraymuzz

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Eman5805 wrote:

Murraymuzz wrote:

I don' think we should even try to apply physics to this show, i mean WATER CUTS THROUGH METAL, how is this possible, it is not.

well actually... it is possible...see for yourself...though the way Katara and Aang cut through metal with water is different...it's not wholey an impossible concept

Okay it maybe be possible, but really,??at the speed at which Aang and Katara cut through the metal, it??was no where near fast enough to cut through metal, and the metal they cut through was really thick, only other explanation, Fire Nation??have dodgey craftsmen.

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Murraymuzz
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Actually i feel really stupid now, i wish i could erase that statement so it was as if no one ever read it, i forgot about how easily water can cut through aluminium foil....
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