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    JonathonWolf

    [41]Oct 17, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    VincentMagius,

    Don't argue science with me. What facts have you stated? Show me how a flame can knock down a stone wall in real life, please do, then I'll believe you. When zuko blew that guys stone wall down in "Zuko alone" with red fire I was like "cool!" I did not question it, When azula did the same thing with blue fire I was like "that it, what is blue fire for?" When azula pretty blue flames bounced off thin foldable sheilds I completely lost hope in being impressed.


    So far, you are the only one that hasn't used science to justify a position.?? Even the science you have used, you've admitted you simply drew from thin air.?? Zuko was able to break the wall because he used a lot of force focused through the fine edge of his sword.?? He charged forward and incorporated a full spin to the sword attack to a hastily erected rock shield.?? There was a lot more kinetic energy in Zuko's movement than in Azula's kick to Aang's wall.?? In both cases, it was the force of the attack and not the fire itself that did the damage.?? No rock, nor person, was burned.?? Zuko had his forward momentum plus the centrifugal force of his body rotation, and you have to incorporate the added power of the wrist movement to the sword.?? So, at the least, Zuko used the muscles in his torso and arm where Azula used primarily her quadraceps.?? For a better comparison, the movements are equivalent to Azula performing a thrusting front kick while Zuko used a sliding side kick.
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    dumbTVnut

    [42]Oct 17, 2006
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    JonathonWolf wrote:
    dumbTVnut wrote:
    VincentMagius,

    Don't argue science with me. What facts have you stated? Show me how a flame can knock down a stone wall in real life, please do, then I'll believe you. When zuko blew that guys stone wall down in "Zuko alone" with red fire I was like "cool!" I did not question it, When azula did the same thing with blue fire I was like "that it, what is blue fire for?" When azula pretty blue flames bounced off thin foldable sheilds I completely lost hope in being impressed.


    So far, you are the only one that hasn't used science to justify a position. Even the science you have used, you've admitted you simply drew from thin air. Zuko was able to break the wall because he used a lot of force focused through the fine edge of his sword. He charged forward and incorporated a full spin to the sword attack to a hastily erected rock shield. There was a lot more kinetic energy in Zuko's movement than in Azula's kick to Aang's wall. In both cases, it was the force of the attack and not the fire itself that did the damage. No rock, nor person, was burned. Zuko had his forward momentum plus the centrifugal force of his body rotation, and you have to incorporate the added power of the wrist movement to the sword. So, at the least, Zuko used the muscles in his torso and arm where Azula used primarily her quadraceps. For a better comparison, the movements are equivalent to Azula performing a thrusting front kick while Zuko used a sliding side kick.


    That beautiful, aside for the used of physical terminology, I don???t see any science in there. Science would require you to actually be able to verify your hypotheses; I would like to see that. If you do in fact have Pyrokinetic powers I still would like to see you do that. Tell me how a bolt of fire that has lets say 1.5 kiloliters of a very low quility plasma with a denisty roughy that of air moving at a visible speed of say 30m/s could destroy a boulder weighing at least several hundred kg, calculate the kinetic energy, calculate the force of pressure over a square meter of rock. Now calculate the kinetic energy of your arm-fist (lets say it weighs 2kg) moving at 20m/s, then the pressure over 30 cm of rock (fist size). Which one delivers more force? which one deliver more pressure per cm^2? Could either blow a boulder apart?
    Edited on 10/17/2006 6:04am
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    DarqAngels

    [43]Oct 17, 2006
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    Lets make this easy...
    The flames are blue because....
    That is what the writers/ artists wanted.

    logic. its whats for dinner.

    eat up
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    dumbTVnut

    [44]Oct 17, 2006
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    DarqAngels wrote:
    Lets make this easy...
    The flames are blue because....
    That is what the writers/ artists wanted.

    logic. its whats for dinner.

    eat up


    Congratulations, your smarter then most of the other people on this thread.
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    VincentMagius

    [45]Oct 17, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    DarqAngels wrote:
    Lets make this easy...
    The flames are blue because....
    That is what the writers/ artists wanted.

    logic. its whats for dinner.

    eat up


    Congratulations, your smarter then most of the other people on this thread.


    I'd say he's as smart as some of us. Mainly, he's smarter than you.
    ?? He had to give you something really simple and shiny to look at; like a crumpled ball of aluminum foil.
    And, to answer your question from before 3.7 kJ advantage for the fire. Thanks for playing.
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    Moviemaster2222

    [46]Oct 17, 2006
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    whats wrong with a ball ofm aluminum foil.
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    blitzwing17

    [47]Oct 17, 2006
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    Moviemaster2222 wrote:
    whats wrong with a ball ofm aluminum foil.

    nothing, just don't chew on it.
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    MCMLXVI

    [48]Oct 17, 2006
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    DarqAngels wrote:
    logic. its whats for dinner.

    eat up
    Ekkh! It tastes like possunchicken.
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    rjx21

    [49]Oct 17, 2006
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    This is probably a stupid comment but...

    well the shields were made to defend against fire so obviously it wont melt under those conditions.

    if heat was continously (sp?) being barraged onto the shield then of course it would melt, a single fire wouldnt melt a metal like that quickly enough, look at cooking pans, they dont melt while being constanly heated by "blue" fire as well. so its obvious that it shouldnt do that much damage on them.

    and of course shields are made to defend

    ^^ have fun here guys
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    dumbTVnut

    [50]Oct 17, 2006
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    VincentMagius,

    Don't get insulting, besided you did not answer the question fully (in both cases though I get less then a kilojoule for force) but that is besides the point, will the flame be able to bust a boulder if a fist can't?
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    JonathonWolf

    [51]Oct 17, 2006
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    First, lets clear up a few things.?? No one has ever said blue fire has a huge advantage over regular fire.?? It has only been said that blue fire is hotter than regular fire, a consensus of the community supported by evidence within the show.?? It has never been shown that the fire created is fueled by plasma.?? If anything, it has been stated that the fire is fueled by the practitioner's own energy.

    Next, it is impossible to quantitatively prove my theory because there is not enough information.?? We would need to know both Azula and Zuko's mass and body measurements, the average amount of force they put into those particular moves, the failure point of the stone wall we are looking to overcome, and how much emotion contributes to force output.?? My theory has already been qualitatively proven because there is already information gathered on martial arts technique which shows a spinning technique has more power than a thrusting technique, and adreline brought on my rage will result in an increase of potential power output.

    Now, instead of wasting my time any longer, I think it would be better for you to disprove me.?? Each time someone has countered your argument with logic and basic facts, you have responded with a non-sequitur.?? You have yet to supply anything substantial to support your position.
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    VincentMagius

    [52]Oct 17, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    Name says it all.

    But for further discussion blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Ok, Pumpkin.
    Edited on 10/17/2006 2:01pm
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    masterofaeons

    [53]Oct 17, 2006
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    Why are pumpkins orange?
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    Hokai

    [54]Oct 17, 2006
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    Of course blue firebending is more powerful. Yeesh, why do you think Azula makes little 5-year-old Aang fans cry, huh? And Azula's blue fire has burst through Zuko's red fire "shields", if you will, plenty of times.

    Oh, and pumpkins are orange, because??pink as a halloween color sucks.??

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    misterham

    [55]Oct 17, 2006
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    Hokai wrote:

    Of course blue firebending is more powerful. Yeesh, why do you think Azula makes little 5-year-old Aang fans cry, huh? And Azula's blue fire has burst through Zuko's red fire "shields", if you will, plenty of times.

    Oh, and pumpkins are orange, because pink as a halloween color sucks.


    yeah, they made her fire blue for a reason (and not cuz it's prettier).

    pumpkins r orange cuz of their electron thingys
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    gundammaster9

    [56]Oct 17, 2006
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    (Yo)are u serious blue fire, it's thunder
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    Airawende

    [57]Oct 17, 2006
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    gundammaster9 wrote:
    (Yo)are u serious blue fire, it's thunder

    Uhhh...thunder is a sound, you're aware, right? Some of the blue that she shoots is??lightning, but that's only when she does that weird??thing where she makes a circle and joins her fingers. The stuff she makes??fast is blue fire.??

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    KilalaRose

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    Airawende wrote:

    gundammaster9 wrote:
    (Yo)are u serious blue fire, it's thunder

    Uhhh...thunder is a sound, you're aware, right? Some of the blue that she shoots is lightning, but that's only when she does that weird thing where she makes a circle and joins her fingers. The stuff she makes fast is blue fire.

    Let me re-post the pics GIVElove put up. The top one is blue fire, the bottom one is lighting. As Airawende said, thunder is a sound. Blue fire is just hotter than regular (orange) fire. Lighting is, well, that flashy stuff you see in storms. Wow, how mysitcal. It takes more time to generate, and the difference is sort of obvious. And let's not forget what the characters said: Katara referred to Azula as the girl with the blue fire while Iroh was teaching Zuko lightning. Why would they refer to the same thing with different wording? Hmmm, I don't know, maybe because they are different!
    Edited on 10/17/2006 5:41pm
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    leeo268

    [59]Oct 17, 2006
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    I dont think we need science to prove that Azula's blue Flame is stronger than other flame. There is a high chance that the creator wanted to show blue flame is stronger because Azula herself is unique and stronger than most other fire bender. Or maybe the creator just wanted to made her different and outstand other fire bender.

    Well, all question will be answer once we see how to firelord bend. What color of fire he use will tell us which one is better.
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    UGamer08

    [60]Oct 17, 2006
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    leeo268 wrote:
    I dont think we need science to prove that Azula's blue Flame is stronger than other flame. There is a high chance that the creator wanted to show blue flame is stronger because Azula herself is unique and stronger than most other fire bender. Or maybe the creator just wanted to made her different and outstand other fire bender.

    Well, all question will be answer once we see how to firelord bend. What color of fire he use will tell us which one is better.

    Basically what I said 4 pages ago.

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