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how does azula bend blue fire

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    JonathonWolf

    [21]Oct 16, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    I don't see any evidence in the show that blue fire is better then red, just more flashy that all. Azula should be able to melt anything with that flame, remember when the kyoshi warriors put up their shields against azula, a red flame I would except to just bounce off, but a blue flame should have melted their shield right off, I was not pleased.


    Not really.?? It takes sustained heat to make metal melt.?? The worst it might do is melt it a little bit.?? The warriors also overlapped their shields, which provided them more stability.?? You can get an idea of how Azula's fire is better by watching the Chase.?? Zuko had difficulty blocking her flames with his in one instance where he didn't have any problems doing it against General Zhao.?? I can't use her using her flame to cut the building because that's a result of forcing the element into a thin form; any bender but earth should be able to do it.
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    UGamer08

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    masterofaeons wrote:
    AAAH! My virgin web-brower!
    *faints at the mention of the bajingo*


    Meh, I was kinda hoping for more. Dtvn. Well not really. Anyway I think you meant "browser." Yeah.
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    KilalaRose

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    Lord-darkboy wrote:
    say it me when i'm wrong but blue fire isn't that when fire mixes with gas or if its veru concentrated
    From what I can make out from what you said, I'm going to say that you're wrong. Blue fire is just hotter than regular fire. If you've seen Azula light something with blue fire, you would see it turn into orange. That's because it cooled down from its extreme heat. White and blue fire is much more hotter than orange or red fire. Now, if you're talking about natural gas from, say, a stove, that is much hotter than regular fire too.
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    dumbTVnut

    [24]Oct 16, 2006
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    JonathonWolf,

    Don't argue science and physics to me, its a cartoon, first of all there is not science there, second off aside for "the chase" any benefit to having blue flames has yet to be seen again.
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    JonathonWolf

    [25]Oct 16, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    JonathonWolf,

    Don't argue science and physics to me, its a cartoon, first of all there is not science there, second off aside for "the chase" any benefit to having blue flames has yet to be seen again.


    All cartoons still have physics.?? They use most of real world physics to facilitate suspension of disbelief.?? Cartoon physics refers to the alteration of certain scientific laws.?? Looney Tunes is probably where that first got started.?? Your initial question was concerning science, so my answer was in that same vein.?? The laws of physics within Avatar is based upon Eastern culture.?? Within those times, there was a strong belief in spirits and chi.?? It is even said that martial artists could leap great heights because of exercises they did for most of their lives that developed their abilities to jump among other skills.?? A great deal of the physical things we see in the show are things that Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan were known for being able to do.

    I don't disagree that the Chase was the only time we've seen benefit to the blue flame.?? Hence the reason I chose it.?? Every other time the blue fire has been directed at someone, it has been dodged.
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    adidaZuko

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    Blue flames make sense. Fire is just red and orange like that when it starts to burn impurities. I guess that means that her flames are "pure" that's she's totally mastered bending and can bend flames that are hotter and sh*t. I don't know. I always thought Iroh was better than her, which I still think, but then why wouldn't he bend blue flames? Blue flames do make sense but Azula being the only one who bends them doesnt.

    Off Topic - I fell like such a retard I just recently realized that the first part of Azula's name means blue in spanish. Blue flames. This is just like when I thought the sign for Saturn was a weird??@ss??X and not a saturn... *hides face in shame*??

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    Leodegarioiii

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    adidaZuko wrote:

    Blue flames make sense. Fire is just red and orange like that when it starts to burn impurities. I guess that means that her flames are "pure" that's she's totally mastered bending and can bend flames that are hotter and sh*t. I don't know. I always thought Iroh was better than her, which I still think, but then why wouldn't he bend blue flames? Blue flames do make sense but Azula being the only one who bends them doesnt.

    Off Topic - I fell like such a retard I just recently realized that the first part of Azula's name means blue in spanish. Blue flames. This is just like when I thought the sign for Saturn was a weird??@ss??X and not a saturn... *hides face in shame*??
    I dont think the creators added "azul" in purpose.
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    dumbTVnut

    [28]Oct 16, 2006
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    JonathonWolf,

    The physics of avatar is not debatable unless the creators specify. I have seen plasma experiment where plasma bolts phase strait though metal and ceramic plates, it not a matter of melting the metal which by the way could be achieved depending on the plasmas (fire) temperature, density and the heat capacity of the metal shield. If I really wanted to get technical I would ask why azula does not have a tan because the peak spectrum of fire that hot is in the UV. I don???t ask these questions because it a cartoon. My problem is that I have yet to see any benefit to blue flames, thus it must exist for show only. And as we have seen the blue flames were not dogde in "appa's lost days" they were blocked with considerable ease.
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    VincentMagius

    [29]Oct 16, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    JonathonWolf,

    The physics of avatar is not debatable unless the creators specify. I have seen plasma experiment where plasma bolts phase strait though metal and ceramic plates, it not a matter of melting the metal which by the way could be achieved depending on the plasmas (fire) temperature, density and the heat capacity of the metal shield. If I really wanted to get technical I would ask why azula does not have a tan because the peak spectrum of fire that hot is in the UV. I don???t ask these questions because it a cartoon. My problem is that I have yet to see any benefit to blue flames, thus it must exist for show only. And as we have seen the blue flames were not dogde in "appa's lost days" they were blocked with considerable ease.


    You do not wish to use physics in your debate, yet you throw in plasma, so let's look at some facts.

    Impure iron melts at 1510 ??C
    Steel melts at 1370 ??C
    Blue flames are about 2,950 - 3,050 ??C
    Plasma can reach 20-30,000,000 ??C

    Seeing as you can pass your hand through a red and blue flams without any lasting damage, we can assume that it takes sustained constant heating to melt a metal. Judging by these numbers, plasma is flash frying the metal.

    Personally, I'm partial to the theories on breathing, temperature and impurities for Azula's blue flame.
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    masterofaeons

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    Thanks, I wanted someone to say that.

    The bit about sustained heat, not the signs that represent specifically measured things part.
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    dumbTVnut

    [31]Oct 16, 2006
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    VincentMagius wrote:

    You do not wish to use physics in your debate, yet you throw in plasma, so let's look at some facts.

    Did you not read what I said? I said it was useless! I use plasma as a example of frivolous physical system that has no relevance to this show. anyone can look up text book data on the net, I'm proud of you. But it has no relevence to this issue.
    Edited on 10/16/2006 3:21pm
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    Eman5805

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    We've seen Azula go to varying degrees of "force" on the flames she's used...just look at "The Drill" when Aang first formed his stone wall the fire bounced right off, but when she wanted to go right through it??with that (nicely done)??flipping??dropkick, the??ensuing blast knocked Aang right on his a$$...so I'm thinkin if she wanted to melt those shields she could
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    masterofaeons

    [33]Oct 16, 2006
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    Force implies knockback. You can knock things over with firebending, but you're specifically asking about melting. You can't melt better just because you have harder fire. It's about exposure.

    Metal isn't exactly butter or flesh. It takes a bit to soften.
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    jeb800e

    [34]Oct 16, 2006
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    Blue fire is just like normal fire, but a lot hotter. Lightning is electricity, or plasma.
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    VincentMagius

    [35]Oct 16, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    VincentMagius wrote:

    You do not wish to use physics in your debate, yet you throw in plasma, so let's look at some facts.

    Did you not read what I said? I said it was useless! I use plasma as a example of frivolous physical system that has no relevance to this show. anyone can look up text book data on the net, I'm proud of you. But it has no relevence to this issue.


    Did you not realize I stopped caring? You've ignored cartoon physics based on observation, real world physics to support cartoon physics, and cold hard facts. The rest of us are using the real world as a base of reference.?? You seem to be arguing based on imagination.?? So I'll go with the one not based in logical thought.

    Because.
    Edited on 10/16/2006 4:26pm
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    blitzwing17

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    Leodegarioiii wrote:
    adidaZuko wrote:

    Blue flames make sense. Fire is just red and orange like that when it starts to burn impurities. I guess that means that her flames are "pure" that's she's totally mastered bending and can bend flames that are hotter and sh*t. I don't know. I always thought Iroh was better than her, which I still think, but then why wouldn't he bend blue flames? Blue flames do make sense but Azula being the only one who bends them doesnt.

    Off Topic - I fell like such a retard I just recently realized that the first part of Azula's name means blue in spanish. Blue flames. This is just like when I thought the sign for Saturn was a weird??@ss??X and not a saturn... *hides face in shame*??
    I dont think the creators added "azul" in purpose.

    Your kidding right? A lot of thought gets put into naming characters, so for that to be a complete coinincidense is highly improbable. As for the talk about there being no benefit to having blue flames; how about they are probably much deadlier than the regular fire blasts. I don't think the loser of an agni-kai against Azula would surivive to fight another.

    But it could leave a cool scar on a corpse.

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    masterofaeons

    [38]Oct 16, 2006
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    Stop double posting! Won't someone think of the children?
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    blitzwing17

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    masterofaeons wrote:
    Stop double posting! Won't someone think of the children?

    Sorry about that, when i clicked on "submit" it kept bringing me to a blank screen, with the words "too many connections" written on it.
    I wasn't sure it went throught.
    And i think about children all the time. I think about how many of them I have locked in my basement!
    *ba-doom! sh!* (the drum roll noise)
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    dumbTVnut

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    VincentMagius,

    Don't argue science with me. What facts have you stated? Show me how a flame can knock down a stone wall in real life, please do, then I'll believe you. When zuko blew that guys stone wall down in "Zuko alone" with red fire I was like "cool!" I did not question it, When azula did the same thing with blue fire I was like "that it, what is blue fire for?" When azula pretty blue flames bounced off thin foldable sheilds I completely lost hope in being impressed.
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