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Does Katara love Aang? The Ending

After seeing the new trailer, wich ship ( you think ) will happen?

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    Nakkie34

    [1061]Nov 22, 2007
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    ALLLLLLLLLLLRRRRIIIIGHT

    nice debate goin on but i would like two person to sum up some arguments for both sides in some sort of contest!

    Ok i'll point out two contestants, ONE zutarian and ONE kataanger ( or at least someone who has the best arguments )

    In the left corner weighing at a rough 2 pounds its the man for kataang:

    WIIIIISEEEELAD ( wiselad )

    And in the right corner weighing at a litlle 233 pounds its the zutarian flarian ( i dont know if it's a word ):

    avrurakinninami

    the contest is gonna last trough the day. You can post ONE post with all your arguments summed up, and we'll have a Poll to see who's the winner.

    GET SET GOOO!!!!

    Edited on 11/22/2007 11:21pm
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    Atu_1

    [1062]Nov 23, 2007
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    merdok2005 wrote:
    I heard a Zutarian say this the other day, "In nightmares and Daydreams, Aang had a nightmare that he was underwater with Zuko on top of him on ice. Later Aang has a daydreams and wakes up from it and Katara, asks what was his daydream was about and he said "Living underwater" and Katara says, "Sounds neat" so therefore Katara thinks Zuko is neat"
    WOW, I would've slapped him (not her) myself.
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    Sektos

    [1063]Nov 23, 2007
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    Atu_1 wrote:
    merdok2005 wrote:
    I heard a Zutarian say this the other day, "In nightmares and Daydreams, Aang had a nightmare that he was underwater with Zuko on top of him on ice. Later Aang has a daydreams and wakes up from it and Katara, asks what was his daydream was about and he said "Living underwater" and Katara says, "Sounds neat" so therefore Katara thinks Zuko is neat"
    WOW, I would've slapped him (not her) myself.


    That dream had nothing to do with shipping- i believe its symbolic like Zuko's in S2 of the future; somehow the Gaang is going to be incapacitated (prehaps more than symbolic- Sokka caught by earth= Dai lee, Katara in flames= FB attack, cant remember toph) and Zuko is the one free, able to do something, on the day of the comet whilst the others are trapt.
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    WiseLad

    [1064]Nov 23, 2007
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    all right............

    I want to state first of all I am not a Kataanger per say

    I simply try to look at things from every perspective and I look for what is best for each character

    I will now state the main reasonable points that are used for why Katara is better off with Aang, along with defending points against it stated by supporters of Zutara; than I will state some of the reasonable points that are used in favor of Zuko

    argument against Aang with Katara, Aang is a monk, thus he should not be attached to Katara---- let's "pretend" that the monks of THE AVATAR WORLD are like the Buddhist monks of our world, and all monks are bachelor and celibate first the creators have stated that ALL AIR PEOPLE are airbenders, they didn't say most, nor did they say that some air people had no bending powers; they said ALL air people have bending power second, airbender people must be having children in order for the airbenders to continue living for many centuries(look how many statues of past avatars were in the south temple in book 1 episode ) everything seems to point out to the fact that all young air people were sent in their youth to the temples to be trained, and most probably after they finish training, they return to live outside of the temples, and a lot if not all the airbenderds that decided to be teachers in the temples seem to return to the temples to teach after they are older than 35, but for the purpose of the thinking that monks are bachelors and celibate, let's "pretend" that the monks are airbenders who decide to stay at the temples when they reach 16, and not to marry nor have sex WHAT MAKES EVERYONE ASSUME THAT AANG WOULD HAVE CHOSEN TO BE A MONK? if it had not been for Sozin Aang would have been told he was an avatar when he was 16(the minimum age for the 4 nations people to be engaged and married as demonstrated by Yue) at 16 he would have to leave the temple, and gone most probably to the north water tribe to be taught by a waterbender at about 18 or 19, he would have gone to an earthbender, maybe Bumi(BTW Buhmi in indian language means earth element) at about 20 to 22, he would have gone to a firebender(maybe Kuzon? ) after that he would have gone to a guru or priest to learn to control the avatar state after he had finished that, we have to remember that he would have the responsibility of the avatar duties. And "pretending" that monks are celibate and bachelors for life, Aang would have to chose either being a monk, or not be a monk and get married and form a family---

    argument against Kataang, she was sad after the kiss and she didn't want to hurt Aang---

    before the kiss all body language seems to indicate that she felt attraction toward Aang, the way she moved her arm, tone of voice, way she parted her hair, also Aang talked about fact that both him and Katara had to go risk their life, so she knew it might be the last time they saw each other, it will be silly not to expect her to be sad, and there is no positive indicator that shows she didn't want to hurt him, and she answered his kiss, she didn't back off---

    higher chances are that she was sad about the possibility that the kiss could have been the first, only and last real kiss between them as EITHER one could die(not just Aang, there was also a chance of her dying)---

    she probably would want to ponder during 312 and/or 313 if she definitely wants to be with Aang, the kiss probably was about the fact that both of them care about each other, and that Aang always saw Katara as this wonderful and pretty lady, and Katara is starting to see Aang as someone who is becoming a man, and admiring him for it.----

    argument against Kataang, Aang is too young---

    we also have to remember that no one should think of them as marrying ASAP, Aang has to be at least 16 before he is allowed to get married(when she is 18 )----

    and in the case of Zutara, they would have to wait 2 years to be able to officially be engaged, and in the case of Maiko(or maizu as the creators call it) officially they have to wait till Mai reaches her next birthday(she is 15)----

    so if they get together(any of the ships), we talking about them being simply BF and GF, not engaged---

    Katara loves Aang in a motherly way---

    she acts motherly toward everyone, including her brother who is OLDER than her, is her way of acting toward everyone, it doesn't necessarily reflect how she feels in her heart toward Aang, and chances are extremely high she would act same way toward Zuko if he was part of the group, so Zutarians would kill off what they support with the same argument they use against Kataang

    points (that are reasonable) of why Zuko and Katara would work--

    both lost their mother, and that draws them together---

    true, but Aang also lost BOTH of his parents and Gyatso, so Aang has just as strong a case as Zuko--

    Zuko is a powerful bender and the fortune seller said she would marry one---

    true, but Aang is also a powerful bender, so in this case he is just as likely as Zuko---

    Zuko and Katara have connected during the time she offered to heal his scar---

    true, but Aang and Katara have connected, not just once, but many times, and she knows Aang better than Zuko, so right now things are more in favor of Aang

    there are countless other arguments in favor of Zuko, but all of them involve the emotions of the poster---

    he is cuter- you think, but what matter is what Katara thinks(or the creators say she thinks), not you---

    Aang is more boring, Zuko would be more exciting- is what you want, but what matter is what Katara wants(or the creators say she wants), not you---

    Aang is bald again, Zuko has hair- is what you think- but what matter is if Katara likes bald or not(or the creators say she likes), not you---

    argument against Zuko, he loves Mai---

    Everything seems to indicate this, and he doesn't write he is breaking off with her, things indicate he just wrote he was leaving the FN and joining Aang(not seeking Katara, joining Aang)and this even if it the only one used, it is a very strong case against Zutara---

    most arguments in favor of Kataang are heavily in favor of Aang, and sometimes not present for Zutara; all arguments against Kataang can be debated against, or are based on emotional arguments, and in some cases can be used against Zutara also; the few reasonable arguments in favor of Zutara have just as a strong or sometimes stronger base in favor of Kataang

    so we have no choice but accept that chances as of right now are leaning heavily in favor of Katara choosing Aang, and not Zuko
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    WiseLad

    [1065]Nov 23, 2007
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    avrurakinninami has not posted his debate post, and I had not posted mine either(until a few seconds ago)and 2 people already voted for me?

    you should be fair, and at least wait until he posts his side of the story, than choose
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    Sektos

    [1066]Nov 23, 2007
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    Im not going vote because both you Wiselad and Avru (not going against you buddy0 arent the be all and end all of the ships. Ive posted responses to questions and points youve made Wiselad (which are good by way) way too many times so im not doing it again; but even though its sloppy because i was exceptionally tired i did do a blog response to an essay which listed some of the same points you did if you want to check it out.

    I dont know wether i did it in the essay, but i also dont believe Katara feels same way about Aang (yet) before during and after that kiss. She could, and prob will, develope in up coming eps, but from 2.5 seasons of developement (ive listed points of Relationship thread, im not repeating sorry, but it has been hundreds of times- from page 98to present,expanding and adding with further thought) with Katara there has been very little to support that she loves him anymore than as a friend and family at this point. Her movements before the kiss i would say were more denoting of her being nervous about attack than after the kiss. The fact that she moved her arm whilst trying to say how proud she is of him, doing her encouragement thing , doesnt show her being attracted, and i didnt hear any change in tone indicating attaction.

    I also, to show im not bias against wiselad, dont think like Avru that Zutara is going to happen; i think we are more likely going to get a strong bond of friendship than a romantic relationship.

    Edited on 11/23/2007 1:23am
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    Nakkie34

    [1067]Nov 23, 2007
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    WiseLad wrote:
    avrurakinninami has not posted his debate post, and I had not posted mine either(until a few seconds ago)and 2 people already voted for me?

    you should be fair, and at least wait until he posts his side of the story, than choose


    yes i know. It is pretty stupid that people voted before the chance to read them both. But anyways kudo's on the post, great arguments.

    But i send avrurakinninami an message a while ago so he should respond.

    PS. i know your not kataang but thats why i chose you ( otherwise it maybe would have been a WOOT kataang and GO zutara debate )
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    blueboy_121

    [1070]Nov 23, 2007
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    ...and i thought ppl did theisises only on scietific stuff...wat an eye-opener!!
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    Sektos

    [1071]Nov 23, 2007
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    blueboy_121 wrote:
    ...and i thought ppl did theisises only on scietific stuff...wat an eye-opener!!


    hahaha "shiping is all around you, in the air, that rock, everything connected"
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    blueboy_121

    [1072]Nov 23, 2007
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    Sektos wrote:
    blueboy_121 wrote:
    ...and i thought ppl did theisises only on scietific stuff...wat an eye-opener!!


    hahaha "shiping is all around you, in the air, that rock, everything connected"




    i no, but isnt this a little obcessive??????
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    Sektos

    [1073]Nov 23, 2007
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    blueboy_121 wrote:
    Sektos wrote:
    blueboy_121 wrote:
    ...and i thought ppl did theisises only on scietific stuff...wat an eye-opener!!
    hahaha "shiping is all around you, in the air, that rock, everything connected"
    i no, but isnt this a little obcessive??????
    its more escalation imo, i dont think ppl are obsessive (well some reeeaaallly are ) but when they are pushed to justify themselves over and over they go all out trying to explain things (like ivehad to domany times ) so that others get their pov. Unfortuanately alot of ppl onall sides ignore the others points, or misunderstand them,and just repeat everything again.
    Edited on 11/23/2007 2:27am
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    Sektos

    [1074]Nov 23, 2007
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    Also it can be fun and when you have nothing to do you may as well do something interesting
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    gummiqueen

    [1075]Nov 23, 2007
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    I would like to point out (since this is an argument that Kataangers often say that Katara treats everyone the same in defense of her motherly behavior) that Katara never treated Jet in a motherly way. I'm telling you people, as a teenage girl myself, when you meet a guy you feel a sexual attraction to you automatically view and treat that guy as a possible mate. It's instinctual. Now let me just say that THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT AGAINST KATAANG, NOR IS IT AN ARGUMENT FOR ZUTARA. This is simply me pointing an inconsistency to an argument the often bring up to explain Katara's mothering. Also--since I know someone would, and probably will anyway, mention this--I don't think Katara felt a Jet-like attraction to Zuko in CoD. That would make no sense. Um, if you were trapped in a cave with the boy that had been your arch nemises for half a year, and an enemy your entire life based soley on his nationality, would you be thinking about how shmexy his hair looked? No! You'd kinda need to get over the whole "ZOMG, evil!!!!1!/" part first. I do think that they made a emotional connection in a suprisingly short time, which could foreshadow future chemistry (1/2 year of hunting +10 minutes of talking= healed scar???), or it could of just been the magic of tv relationships. meh. However, I wouldn't be suprised if once Katara and Zuko get their issues with each other sorted out, ('cuz, c'mon people, even if you don't think Zutara will happen, the fact is that of everyone in the gaang, Zuko betrayed Katara the most [She dismissed all his past offenses and was about to heal his freakin' scar with the water that ultimately saved the avatar reincarnation cycle from ending!!! Inretrospect, Katara would have even more reason to be mad now than at the time of the actual betrayal ]) Katara just sits up one morning and is like, "Whoa... Zuko's hot! " But that last part is purely speculation partially fueled by Zu-weed muffins


    So yeah, Katara had a treated Jet like a bf/crush from the first time she met him. That is all.
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    gummiqueen

    [1076]Nov 23, 2007
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    darn spacing! >O

    and I can't go back and edit it 'cuz my computer is retarded >_>
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    blueboy_121

    [1077]Nov 23, 2007
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    i rest my case,many ppl are obcessive!!!!
    hey but its better than figuring out sabines formula for acoustic intensity or the de'broglie wavelength so its cool............
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    gummiqueen

    [1078]Nov 23, 2007
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    blueboy_121 wrote:
    i rest my case,many ppl are obcessive!!!!
    hey but its better than figuring out sabines formula for acoustic intensity or the de'broglie wavelength so its cool............
    the heck I'm dening it!! It will probably manifest itself as a large tumor at the base of my skull when I turn 30, but I'm Avatarded 'til the end!!! *cough* er, yeah.
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    merdok2005

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    I don't care what neone says, This is all the proof you need to know, Katara does have romantic feelings for Aang.

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    blueboy_121

    [1080]Nov 23, 2007
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    merdok2005 wrote:

    I don't care what neone says, This is all the proof you need to know, Katara does have romantic feelings for Aang.





    seriously how does this prov ur point????????
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