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    kkg14

    [441]Apr 28, 2008
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    The_Wildmage wrote:
    What exactly do you guys mean about Mai and lightbending? What exactly is it, and is it really a bending ability, becasue I have never heard of it.


    *sigh* Go back and watch these episodes. All of them are in Book 2: The Avatar State, The Chase, and Bitter Work

    Then watch part two of The Boiling Rock and you'll know exactly what we're talking about.
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    hkulka2974

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    K0rRupTi0n wrote:

    azula being taken down rocked it was about time now this makes things really interesting

    what made it interesting was the fact that zuko withstood azula's firebending moves, which means that zuko is practically on par with azula in a standoff situation. but in a battle where they would be able to move more(like the battle in The Chase S2) i think azula has the edge.

    especially with that rocket booster move.

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    iluvShika-kun

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    hkulka2974 wrote:
    K0rRupTi0n wrote:

    azula being taken down rocked it was about time now this makes things really interesting

    what made it interesting was the fact that zuko withstood azula's firebending moves, which means that zuko is practically on par with azula in a standoff situation. but in a battle where they would be able to move more(like the battle in The Chase S2) i think azula has the edge.

    especially with that rocket booster move.

    We'll have to see about that. I think Azula is loosing her cool and that will give Zuko an advatage because he's more resolved than her at the moment I believe.
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    hkulka2974

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    iluvShika-kun wrote:
    hkulka2974 wrote:
    K0rRupTi0n wrote:

    azula being taken down rocked it was about time now this makes things really interesting

    what made it interesting was the fact that zuko withstood azula's firebending moves, which means that zuko is practically on par with azula in a standoff situation. but in a battle where they would be able to move more(like the battle in The Chase S2) i think azula has the edge.

    especially with that rocket booster move.

    We'll have to see about that. I think Azula is loosing her cool and that will give Zuko an advatage because he's more resolved than her at the moment I believe.

    true, but we are still yet to see when azula losses her cool. it will most probably be in the season finale.

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    Blue_Spirit_524

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    hkulka2974 wrote:
    K0rRupTi0n wrote:

    azula being taken down rocked it was about time now this makes things really interesting

    what made it interesting was the fact that zuko withstood azula's firebending moves, which means that zuko is practically on par with azula in a standoff situation. but in a battle where they would be able to move more(like the battle in The Chase S2) i think azula has the edge.

    especially with that rocket booster move.

    I think that now Zuko would have the edge over Azula in a "case" like battel too.

    If you go back to what Iroh said firebending should not be controled by emotions, and Zuko now doesn't control his through emtion. Where Azula might now start to do that, I point to the brush insident.

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    hkulka2974

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    Blue_Spirit_524 wrote:
    hkulka2974 wrote:
    K0rRupTi0n wrote:

    azula being taken down rocked it was about time now this makes things really interesting

    what made it interesting was the fact that zuko withstood azula's firebending moves, which means that zuko is practically on par with azula in a standoff situation. but in a battle where they would be able to move more(like the battle in The Chase S2) i think azula has the edge.

    especially with that rocket booster move.

    I think that now Zuko would have the edge over Azula in a "case" like battel too.

    If you go back to what Iroh said firebending should not be controled by emotions, and Zuko now doesn't control his through emtion. Where Azula might now start to do that, I point to the brush insident.

    zuko will have the edge by the finale, in my opinion. but if azula and zuko vs before that there may be some trouble,.

    but that most probably wont happen unless shes katara's mother's killer. which i doubt

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    Valin610

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    hkulka2974 wrote:
    Blue_Spirit_524 wrote:
    hkulka2974 wrote:
    K0rRupTi0n wrote:

    azula being taken down rocked it was about time now this makes things really interesting

    what made it interesting was the fact that zuko withstood azula's firebending moves, which means that zuko is practically on par with azula in a standoff situation. but in a battle where they would be able to move more(like the battle in The Chase S2) i think azula has the edge.

    especially with that rocket booster move.

    I think that now Zuko would have the edge over Azula in a "case" like battel too.

    If you go back to what Iroh said firebending should not be controled by emotions, and Zuko now doesn't control his through emtion. Where Azula might now start to do that, I point to the brush insident.

    zuko will have the edge by the finale, in my opinion. but if azula and zuko vs before that there may be some trouble,.

    but that most probably wont happen unless shes katara's mother's killer. which i doubt


    She would have been probably 6 or younger when that happened.
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    hkulka2974

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    Valin610 wrote:
    hkulka2974 wrote:
    Blue_Spirit_524 wrote:
    hkulka2974 wrote:
    K0rRupTi0n wrote:

    azula being taken down rocked it was about time now this makes things really interesting

    what made it interesting was the fact that zuko withstood azula's firebending moves, which means that zuko is practically on par with azula in a standoff situation. but in a battle where they would be able to move more(like the battle in The Chase S2) i think azula has the edge.

    especially with that rocket booster move.

    I think that now Zuko would have the edge over Azula in a "case" like battel too.

    If you go back to what Iroh said firebending should not be controled by emotions, and Zuko now doesn't control his through emtion. Where Azula might now start to do that, I point to the brush insident.

    zuko will have the edge by the finale, in my opinion. but if azula and zuko vs before that there may be some trouble,.

    but that most probably wont happen unless shes katara's mother's killer. which i doubt
    She would have been probably 6 or younger when that happened.

    thats a funny picture, a minature azula leading a Fire Nation army into the Southern Water Tribe. XD

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    WiseLad

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    Ozai firelord for 5 years, Zuko is 16, that means Zuko was 11 when Azulon died, and Azula was 9 when Azulon died

    edit: what??????????? she involved in katara's mom's death? as McConroe would say, "you got to be kidding!!!"

    Edited on 04/28/2008 1:08pm
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    suss2it

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    RR4RogueRaven wrote:
    Did I make such of a mess with my post? It's not about Mai lightbending but rather bout Azula being unable to do so.
    You mean lightning not light. And you don't bend the lightning you generate it and guide it, but now come to think of it, it looks like Azula couldn't generate lightning, but even if she didn't she still couldn't beaten Mai with a quick fireball.

    WiseLad wrote:

    Ozai firelord for 5 years, Zuko is 16, that means Zuko was 11 when Azulon died, and Azula was 9 when Azulon died

    edit: what??????????? she involved in katara's mom's death? as McConroe would say, "you got to be kidding!!!"

    That was just speculation and really nonsensical if that actually happened.
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    PsychoPass

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    suss2it wrote:
    RR4RogueRaven wrote:
    Did I make such of a mess with my post? It's not about Mai lightbending but rather bout Azula being unable to do so.
    You mean lightning not light. And you don't bend the lightning you generate it and guide it, but now come to think of it, it looks like Azula couldn't generate lightning, but even if she didn't she still couldn't beaten Mai with a quick fireball.


    There are 2 possibilities:

    1). She was drawing power from her stomach to release in a powerful burst (remember Iroh's "sea of energy" talk from Bitter Work).


    Or,


    2). She was indeed trying to generate lightning but she couldn't.


    It's very odd because we've never seen her shoot fire like that.
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    iluvShika-kun

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    I guess that also means that Ursa has been missing for five years. I wonder if she was given a scar when she was banished as well.
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    music4life17

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    hkulka2974 wrote:
    iluvShika-kun wrote:
    hkulka2974 wrote:
    K0rRupTi0n wrote:

    azula being taken down rocked it was about time now this makes things really interesting

    what made it interesting was the fact that zuko withstood azula's firebending moves, which means that zuko is practically on par with azula in a standoff situation. but in a battle where they would be able to move more(like the battle in The Chase S2) i think azula has the edge.

    especially with that rocket booster move.

    We'll have to see about that. I think Azula is loosing her cool and that will give Zuko an advatage because he's more resolved than her at the moment I believe.

    true, but we are still yet to see when azula losses her cool. it will most probably be in the season finale.

    Actually, I think in Boiling Rock Part II we saw the start of the loss of her confidence/arrogance/cool. Mai and Ty Lee both betrayed her which really hit her from left field. Her two dear friends are now technically dead to her. (since she demanded that she wanted them in a place she couldn't see their faces again) I think this will be the start of the domino effect - everything's gonna go downhill for Azula now. (my own personal opinion)

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    PsychoPass wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    RR4RogueRaven wrote:
    Did I make such of a mess with my post? It's not about Mai lightbending but rather bout Azula being unable to do so.
    You mean lightning not light. And you don't bend the lightning you generate it and guide it, but now come to think of it, it looks like Azula couldn't generate lightning, but even if she didn't she still couldn't beaten Mai with a quick fireball.


    There are 2 possibilities:

    1). She was drawing power from her stomach to release in a powerful burst (remember Iroh's "sea of energy" talk from Bitter Work).

    Or,

    2). She was indeed trying to generate lightning but she couldn't.

    It's very odd because we've never seen her shoot fire like that.


    I'm not sure what you guys were watching, but she does not generate lighting like that.



    I saw no crazy arm swinging. No gaint arcs, it was a pretty standard fire shot.
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    music4life17 wrote:
    Actually, I think in Boiling Rock Part II we saw the start of the loss of her confidence/arrogance/cool. Mai and Ty Lee both betrayed her which really hit her from left field. Her two dear friends are now technically dead to her. (since she demanded that she wanted them in a place she couldn't see their faces again) I think this will be the start of the domino effect - everything's gonna go downhill for Azula now. (my own personal opinion)

    I agree, Azula reaction was uncharacteristic of the Azula we know from the past. The old Azula would have remain calm and just punish the traitors. She would have took her time thinking of a punisment just to torture.

    She doesn't raise her voice, and lose her temper like that.

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    I think unlike fire, lightning is a 2 step process, 1- create lightning 2- direct lightning, with Ozai being able to draw it the fastest

    from avatar wikia

    Lightning generation is a technique within Firebending, with which Firebenders are able to produce and direct a bolt of lightning from their fingertips. The generation of lightning was first shown by Princess Azula, during Book 2: Earth season premiere "The Avatar State", while she was being overseen by Lo and Li.

    Generating lightning involves a circular motion with the arms. Mentally, it involves a complete absence of emotion and peace of mind, and physically it requires separating the energies of yin and yang (also an interpretation of positive and negative electric charge). When the forces collide, the bender only guides, rather than controls, the lightning's direction. Because of this complexity, a lightning attack usually takes much longer to initiate than standard fire attacks. However, Fire Lord Ozai, being an extremely powerful Firebender, was able to generate the most powerful lightning seen in the series so far with great speed, proving not only that lightning can be generated very quickly, but also that it can be sustained.

    Lightning, also known as the "cold-blooded fire", is very dangerous, even among Firebenders, and only a few powerful Firebenders are capable of generating it; so far the only Firebenders in the series who have demonstrated the ability to actively generate lightning are Azula, Iroh and Fire Lord Ozai. Zuko has expressed a desire to learn these abilities, but his emotional turmoil is preventing him from successfully creating lightning.

    Creating lightning was first demonstrated by Azula in "The Avatar State", although a similar technique (lightning redirection) had been previously used by Iroh in "The Storm".
    -------------------------

    now comes an interesting question from what i read in avatar wikia, in the page about firebending it says that zuko used the "dancing dragon" in BR2 to negate the attack from Azula, what you think about that? I don't remember he doing the dancing dragon move in it
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    PsychoPass

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    Maybe we just didn't see the "circular" arm motions or simply the separation of the two charges. Because bringing her hands together by her stomach looked like she was allowing the opposite charges to 'crash' together. Then she channels it with her arms. Pics from TBR2 would help describe this better. :X
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    misterham

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    oh my GOD are you people still talking about that? she was shooting FIRE! concentrated FIRE with her two fingers like she ALWAYS does. and yes, she could have easily killed mai by herself

    back to the discussion up top, i think you guys are giving zuko too much credit. he's proven he could easily block azula's fireballs, but it's much harder to block her two-fingered fire strikes (she didn't use them for some reason O_o). plus, she was at the edge so she had a large locational disadvantage. and zuko also had sokka to help him. and also remember that even though zuko learned how to firebend the "right" way, azula's fire is still hotter.
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