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    zukOshOpe

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    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    beka777angel wrote:

    WARNING! Slightly long rant ahead.

    Zuko was obviously beaten, if it wasn't for Katara he would be dead. FALSE!

    Zuko would have definitely beaten Azula if Katara wasn't there. If Katara stayed out of the way, Azula would have fired at Zuko and Zuko would have redirected it and killed her. But because Katara was there, she played up Zuko's hero instincts and tricked him into taking the lightning. It would actually have been better if Katara wasn't there.

    If Azula was sane, she would have won. FALSE!

    They are equal opponents now that Zuko became a master from the dragons. Besides, didn't you see Zuko, he was hardly out of breath, hardly tired when Azula got hit and fell. He obviously could have been able to survive if the battle prolonged. But Azula was panting. She would have tired out if the battle went on. Sure, if she was sane, she would have used trickery better, but when considering all the factors, they are both equal. But from the beginning, if Katara helped Zuko, Azula would have been done within five minutes after the little battle started.

    If Azula became a master from the dragons, she would have owned. False.

    One, the dragons wouldn't have even deemed her worthy for that power. Second, if by the small chance the dragons did, she wouldn't have understood the right way to bend. She had to much hate in her heart, which she depended on wholly on to firebend.

    Is anyone else annoyed by the fact that Katara can get water whenever she wants?

    Really, that annoys some people. I find it annoying that Waterbenders need to find a supply of water to waterbend while firebenders can make it themselves, they don't need to find any, they can just use their powers and attack. That urks me.

    Shouldn't Zuko have been killed from the lightning? No. He wasn't hit by the lightning straight to the heart. He was redirecting it (You could tell he redirected it when a HUGE bolt of lightning came from the courtyard they were in, um...duh...) The lightning didn't go correctly through his stomach. Uncle iroh said, it COULD be deadly if it passed throught the heart. COULD. But since Katara was there, it wasn't.

    First of all...Zuko is NOT a master of firebending. Iroh is a master...Ozai is a master...the firebender that lives in the woods is a master. Zuko is NOT a master of firebending, he is still learning. The only reason Azula was out of breath was because she was not thinking correctly. Had she been sane then she would not have been using so much energy. Plus, I already said this before but obviously I need to say it again, Zukos firbdening was ENHANCED by the comet! So was azulas, but Azula was going insane so the enhanced strength didnt help her much. It's pretty obvious that had she been in her right mind Zuko would hav been done for. Azula would not have been killed by zukos redirected lightning, for one Zuko couldn't even kill Ozai when he redirected his lightning. Two, Azula already knew he could redirect it so I doubt she would have just stood there amazed at the fact that he could. Ozai was blind sided by this when Aang did it because he didnt know he could redirect it, but Zuko's retarded self told Azula that he could redirect it, so it made her relunctant to shoot it at him. Plus, Azula would have never agreed to fight a battle that she knows she can't win, so she would have never fought Zuko and Katara at the same time. That's just common sense...

    Here's my elaboration:

    Had Azula been sane, that would mean that she was never betrayed by her friends, which means that Ty Lee would still be on her side. Mai would never agree to fight Zuko, but maybe Katara. Azula vs. Zuko and Ty Lee vs. Katara...that's how I think it would have played out. And with the added strength of the comet, Azula would have completely destroyed Zuko. I don't understand why people are saying he is a "master." he is nothing compared to Iroh and Ozai, who are TRUE MASTERS of firebending, especially Iroh. I agree Zuko has gotten more powerful since the dragon training, but strength is not everything when fighting Azula, which she has proven countless times. When she didn't even have ANY bending at all, she some how managed to out run and manipulate Aang, Toph, and Sokka. She would have no doubt tried this on Zuko as well had she been thinking straight.

    The facts have been laid out countless times. Azula is probabaly the 4th most powerful firebender behind the masters I previously mentioned. She is a prodigy, and she gains skill faster then other firebenders, that's what a prodigy is, someone that is naturally skilled at something. I believe that had she been thinking straight, the outcome would have been VERY different...but she had to in order to complete her character story. We can speculate on this for the rest of our lives, but I stand by what I juss wasted my time typing because I doubt half the people here will read it. Plus Zuko is older then her, so naturally he would be stronger, but obviously this doesn't help him much because Azula is a prodigy. Azula is OVERALL more powerful then Zuko. When your looking for a quaterback you dont look for someone that can throw the ball far...you look for someone that can do that, has good vision, doesn't get injured easily, can think under pressure, and doesn't kill dogs in their spare time, That is pretty much Azulas description to the max!!!

    I agree and disagree with the various points above. I'll begin by saying that both Zuko and Azula are firebending masters - powerwise, they are stronger even than Jeong Jeong, the only people who could beat them are Ozai and iroh (and now Aang).

    Whether Azula would have beaten Zuko if Katara had not been there is no easy question to answer, but I think that she could have. Her trickery showed that even though she was insane, she was still capable of thinking tactically, measuring her opponents and what they could do. If Katara had been elsewhere, Azula could still have done something smart like shooting the lightning into the ground directly at Zuko's feet - knocking him off balance and giving her an advantage. I am not saying that Zuko never had a chance, in fact he had an extremely good chance of winning the fight. But he allowed Azula to outsmart him, and that was what lost him the fight.

    Would Azula have won if she was Sane? She won when she was flipping bananas! Of course she would have crushed Zuko if she was still sane in the extact same circumstances.

    As we have seen in the Boiling Rock, the Southern Raiders, and now the finale, Azula's blue firebending and Zuko's original firebending are equally powerful. Blue flames such as the ones Azula generates are more powerful than regular flames, and equally powerful to regular flames produced with original firebending. the only thing that trumps both is the mastered intense flames that Ozai was making in quantities even greater than Iroh (safely establishing him as the ultimate master of firebending).

    The comet gave Zuko and Azula the same amount of boost (the power of 100 suns, to be precise), for the same amount of time. If the comet hadn't been there, the fight would have had the same result, but would have been slightly less epic. On the subject of the comet, the extra power that it gave to Zuko may have been what allowed him to survive Azula's lightning.

    JEONG JEONG!!! Thats his name..I forgot what it was. Yeah jeong jeong really isn't a master, but he is still pretty poweful and skillful. I think Iroh is more powerful than Ozai because he has trained with the dragons. Ozai might have more brute strength and considering the fact that Iroh is older, he might be stronger, but I think Iroh's firebending might be a little more powerful thanks to the dragon training. I agree with most of what you said, but in the Boiling rock Azula was fighting both Sokka AND Zuko at the same time. So maybe the distraction of Sokka was throwing her bending off, and ever since that episode she has been slowly slipping away because of Mai and ty Lee's betrayal. I still think that the comet gave Zuko and advantage, because he was able to fully use it to his ability, but because Azula was going crazy she wasn't able to fully express her power. Didn't anyone notice how quickly Ozai was shooting his lightning?!?! When he did it before he had to powe it up and do all those funky motions to do it, but with the comet he just did it with barely any power up, but Azula still did all those wierd motions, so I don't think she was fully using her new found strength.



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    Maylene

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    Axrendale wrote:
    On the subject of the comet, the extra power that it gave to Zuko may have been what allowed him to survive Azula's lightning.


    Never thought of it that way.
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    Axrendale

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    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    beka777angel wrote:

    WARNING! Slightly long rant ahead.

    Zuko was obviously beaten, if it wasn't for Katara he would be dead. FALSE!

    Zuko would have definitely beaten Azula if Katara wasn't there. If Katara stayed out of the way, Azula would have fired at Zuko and Zuko would have redirected it and killed her. But because Katara was there, she played up Zuko's hero instincts and tricked him into taking the lightning. It would actually have been better if Katara wasn't there.

    If Azula was sane, she would have won. FALSE!

    They are equal opponents now that Zuko became a master from the dragons. Besides, didn't you see Zuko, he was hardly out of breath, hardly tired when Azula got hit and fell. He obviously could have been able to survive if the battle prolonged. But Azula was panting. She would have tired out if the battle went on. Sure, if she was sane, she would have used trickery better, but when considering all the factors, they are both equal. But from the beginning, if Katara helped Zuko, Azula would have been done within five minutes after the little battle started.

    If Azula became a master from the dragons, she would have owned. False.

    One, the dragons wouldn't have even deemed her worthy for that power. Second, if by the small chance the dragons did, she wouldn't have understood the right way to bend. She had to much hate in her heart, which she depended on wholly on to firebend.

    Is anyone else annoyed by the fact that Katara can get water whenever she wants?

    Really, that annoys some people. I find it annoying that Waterbenders need to find a supply of water to waterbend while firebenders can make it themselves, they don't need to find any, they can just use their powers and attack. That urks me.

    Shouldn't Zuko have been killed from the lightning? No. He wasn't hit by the lightning straight to the heart. He was redirecting it (You could tell he redirected it when a HUGE bolt of lightning came from the courtyard they were in, um...duh...) The lightning didn't go correctly through his stomach. Uncle iroh said, it COULD be deadly if it passed throught the heart. COULD. But since Katara was there, it wasn't.

    First of all...Zuko is NOT a master of firebending. Iroh is a master...Ozai is a master...the firebender that lives in the woods is a master. Zuko is NOT a master of firebending, he is still learning. The only reason Azula was out of breath was because she was not thinking correctly. Had she been sane then she would not have been using so much energy. Plus, I already said this before but obviously I need to say it again, Zukos firbdening was ENHANCED by the comet! So was azulas, but Azula was going insane so the enhanced strength didnt help her much. It's pretty obvious that had she been in her right mind Zuko would hav been done for. Azula would not have been killed by zukos redirected lightning, for one Zuko couldn't even kill Ozai when he redirected his lightning. Two, Azula already knew he could redirect it so I doubt she would have just stood there amazed at the fact that he could. Ozai was blind sided by this when Aang did it because he didnt know he could redirect it, but Zuko's retarded self told Azula that he could redirect it, so it made her relunctant to shoot it at him. Plus, Azula would have never agreed to fight a battle that she knows she can't win, so she would have never fought Zuko and Katara at the same time. That's just common sense...

    Here's my elaboration:

    Had Azula been sane, that would mean that she was never betrayed by her friends, which means that Ty Lee would still be on her side. Mai would never agree to fight Zuko, but maybe Katara. Azula vs. Zuko and Ty Lee vs. Katara...that's how I think it would have played out. And with the added strength of the comet, Azula would have completely destroyed Zuko. I don't understand why people are saying he is a "master." he is nothing compared to Iroh and Ozai, who are TRUE MASTERS of firebending, especially Iroh. I agree Zuko has gotten more powerful since the dragon training, but strength is not everything when fighting Azula, which she has proven countless times. When she didn't even have ANY bending at all, she some how managed to out run and manipulate Aang, Toph, and Sokka. She would have no doubt tried this on Zuko as well had she been thinking straight.

    The facts have been laid out countless times. Azula is probabaly the 4th most powerful firebender behind the masters I previously mentioned. She is a prodigy, and she gains skill faster then other firebenders, that's what a prodigy is, someone that is naturally skilled at something. I believe that had she been thinking straight, the outcome would have been VERY different...but she had to in order to complete her character story. We can speculate on this for the rest of our lives, but I stand by what I juss wasted my time typing because I doubt half the people here will read it. Plus Zuko is older then her, so naturally he would be stronger, but obviously this doesn't help him much because Azula is a prodigy. Azula is OVERALL more powerful then Zuko. When your looking for a quaterback you dont look for someone that can throw the ball far...you look for someone that can do that, has good vision, doesn't get injured easily, can think under pressure, and doesn't kill dogs in their spare time, That is pretty much Azulas description to the max!!!

    I agree and disagree with the various points above. I'll begin by saying that both Zuko and Azula are firebending masters - powerwise, they are stronger even than Jeong Jeong, the only people who could beat them are Ozai and iroh (and now Aang).

    Whether Azula would have beaten Zuko if Katara had not been there is no easy question to answer, but I think that she could have. Her trickery showed that even though she was insane, she was still capable of thinking tactically, measuring her opponents and what they could do. If Katara had been elsewhere, Azula could still have done something smart like shooting the lightning into the ground directly at Zuko's feet - knocking him off balance and giving her an advantage. I am not saying that Zuko never had a chance, in fact he had an extremely good chance of winning the fight. But he allowed Azula to outsmart him, and that was what lost him the fight.

    Would Azula have won if she was Sane? She won when she was flipping bananas! Of course she would have crushed Zuko if she was still sane in the extact same circumstances.

    As we have seen in the Boiling Rock, the Southern Raiders, and now the finale, Azula's blue firebending and Zuko's original firebending are equally powerful. Blue flames such as the ones Azula generates are more powerful than regular flames, and equally powerful to regular flames produced with original firebending. the only thing that trumps both is the mastered intense flames that Ozai was making in quantities even greater than Iroh (safely establishing him as the ultimate master of firebending).

    The comet gave Zuko and Azula the same amount of boost (the power of 100 suns, to be precise), for the same amount of time. If the comet hadn't been there, the fight would have had the same result, but would have been slightly less epic. On the subject of the comet, the extra power that it gave to Zuko may have been what allowed him to survive Azula's lightning.

    JEONG JEONG!!! Thats his name..I forgot what it was. Yeah jeong jeong really isn't a master, but he is still pretty poweful and skillful. I think Iroh is more powerful than Ozai because he has trained with the dragons. Ozai might have more brute strength and considering the fact that Iroh is older, he might be stronger, but I think Iroh's firebending might be a little more powerful thanks to the dragon training. I agree with most of what you said, but in the Boiling rock Azula was fighting both Sokka AND Zuko at the same time. So maybe the distraction of Sokka was throwing her bending off, and ever since that episode she has been slowly slipping away because of Mai and ty Lee's betrayal. I still think that the comet gave Zuko and advantage, because he was able to fully use it to his ability, but because Azula was going crazy she wasn't able to fully express her power. Didn't anyone notice how quickly Ozai was shooting his lightning?!?! When he did it before he had to powe it up and do all those funky motions to do it, but with the comet he just did it with barely any power up, but Azula still did all those wierd motions, so I don't think she was fully using her new found strength.

    Ozai was definitly a lot more powerful than Iroh - not only did he pull off firebending moves while flying that iroh really had to concentrate to do, but Iroh himself admitted that he was not at all confident about his chances of defeating his brother. Ozai's former title, the firelord, gives a hint to the measure of his abilities; he was the ultimate master of all firebending.

    But anyway, we're getting really off topic. The original topic, i believe, was Azula's breakdown, and whether she may yet heal of it. Azula still has her entire life ahead of her, she still has her bending, and her mental abilities (as shown by the way she defeated Zuko), and she has demonstrated that deep down she knows that her mother did love her, and wanted the best for her. Once she can bring herself to accept this, I think she can begin to heal. Her life as Princess Azula of the Fire nation is over, but she may yet prove herself capable of starting a new life. Either way, my gut feeling is that her adventures are far from over.

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    beka777angel

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    I'm done arguing. I still think Zuko would have a chance at Azula and that won't change. Anyways. I did feel sorrow for Azula going insane, but for some strange reason it was my favorite part of the movie, weird right. O_o This movie was epic. And perhaps Azula might get better, but its unlikely that she will be trusted...or atleast i wouldnt trust her. O.O
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    Axrendale

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    beka777angel wrote:

    Zuko purposefully missed Ozai and aimed at his feet because as he said in his speech, the Avatar was meant to kill the firelord, not him. So if Zuko redirected the lightning, he would not have held back at Azula. And my last point. Of course Azula would have accepted the battle even if she new she wouldnt have won. Was she going to let Zuko take the throne without a fight? noooo. Anyways, she thought she was better than Zuko because of her cockiness and because she underestimated Zuko.

    I'm not so sure about Zuko aiming for Ozai's feet. If you watch that scene closely, it looks like it was a direct hit, providing a precedent for powerful firebenders to be able to suffer lightning strikes from the front and survive, although with significant damage having been taken. And I seriously doubt that Azula would have shot the lightning directly at Zuko. Even if she didn't know before hand, Zuko confirmed for her with his bragging (which would imply that Zuko was the one who underestimated Azula) that he knew how to redirect lightning. Had Katara not been there to aim at, Azula would most likely have done exactly as you said Zuko did, and aimed for Zuko's feet, blowing him off balance and allowing her to gain an upper hand in the fight. And I definitely disagree with you that Azula underestimated Zuko. After BR and TSR she knew that he was an opponent to be reckoned with. if anything, it was Zuko who did the underestimating. I mean, come on. He had just told her that he could redirect lightning and he really expected her to shoot lightning directly at him? After spending all of book 2 getting his butt kicked by her, you'd think that he'd have a bit more respect for her than that.

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    beka777angel

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    Axrendale wrote:
    beka777angel wrote:

    Zuko purposefully missed Ozai and aimed at his feet because as he said in his speech, the Avatar was meant to kill the firelord, not him. So if Zuko redirected the lightning, he would not have held back at Azula. And my last point. Of course Azula would have accepted the battle even if she new she wouldnt have won. Was she going to let Zuko take the throne without a fight? noooo. Anyways, she thought she was better than Zuko because of her cockiness and because she underestimated Zuko.

    I'm not so sure about Zuko aiming for Ozai's feet. If you watch that scene closely, it looks like it was a direct hit, providing a precedent for powerful firebenders to be able to suffer lightning strikes from the front and survive, although with significant damage having been taken. And I seriously doubt that Azula would have shot the lightning directly at Zuko. Even if she didn't know before hand, Zuko confirmed for her with his bragging (which would imply that Zuko was the one who underestimated Azula) that he knew how to redirect lightning. Had Katara not been there to aim at, Azula would most likely have done exactly as you said Zuko did, and aimed for Zuko's feet, blowing him off balance and allowing her to gain an upper hand in the fight. And I definitely disagree with you that Azula underestimated Zuko. After BR and TSR she knew that he was an opponent to be reckoned with. if anything, it was Zuko who did the underestimating. I mean, come on. He had just told her that he could redirect lightning and he really expected her to shoot lightning directly at him? After spending all of book 2 getting his butt kicked by her, you'd think that he'd have a bit more respect for her than that.

    You have really good points. Like I said, im done arguing and my last point still stands. Zuko did not want to kill his father, even though he had plenty of chances to. But yes you are right, Zuko did underestimate Azula also. I still think they are EQUAL. I mean come on. It's not like im saying Zuko would have won for sure. Thanks for the debate though it was fun and I hope your not all ruffled up and I really hope none of you took this too seriously. Just a friendly debate. (haha now that i think about it, we totally got off subject)

    EDIT: agh fixed all me typos. Just a little tired for some reason.

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    beka777angel

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    Maylene wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    On the subject of the comet, the extra power that it gave to Zuko may have been what allowed him to survive Azula's lightning.
    Never thought of it that way.

    Hmmm...neither did I. Thats a possibility.

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    Axrendale

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    beka777angel wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    beka777angel wrote:

    Zuko purposefully missed Ozai and aimed at his feet because as he said in his speech, the Avatar was meant to kill the firelord, not him. So if Zuko redirected the lightning, he would not have held back at Azula. And my last point. Of course Azula would have accepted the battle even if she new she wouldnt have won. Was she going to let Zuko take the throne without a fight? noooo. Anyways, she thought she was better than Zuko because of her cockiness and because she underestimated Zuko.

    I'm not so sure about Zuko aiming for Ozai's feet. If you watch that scene closely, it looks like it was a direct hit, providing a precedent for powerful firebenders to be able to suffer lightning strikes from the front and survive, although with significant damage having been taken. And I seriously doubt that Azula would have shot the lightning directly at Zuko. Even if she didn't know before hand, Zuko confirmed for her with his bragging (which would imply that Zuko was the one who underestimated Azula) that he knew how to redirect lightning. Had Katara not been there to aim at, Azula would most likely have done exactly as you said Zuko did, and aimed for Zuko's feet, blowing him off balance and allowing her to gain an upper hand in the fight. And I definitely disagree with you that Azula underestimated Zuko. After BR and TSR she knew that he was an opponent to be reckoned with. if anything, it was Zuko who did the underestimating. I mean, come on. He had just told her that he could redirect lightning and he really expected her to shoot lightning directly at him? After spending all of book 2 getting his butt kicked by her, you'd think that he'd have a bit more respect for her than that.

    You have really good points. Like I said, im done arguing and my last point still stands. Zuko did not want to kill his father, even though he had plenty of chances to. But yes you are right, Zuko did underestimate Azula also. I still think they are EQUAL. I mean come on. It's not like im saying Zuko would have won for sure. Thanks for the debate though it was fun and I hope your not all ruffled up and I really hope none of you took this too seriously. Just a friendly debate. (haha now that i think about it, we totally got off subject)

    EDIT: agh fixed all me typos. Just a little tired for some reason.

    Don't worry, I never got ruffled up. Quite the contary - I absolutly love engaging people in debates like this. You made some great points too.

    In the end, the fact that Sozins Comet was able to inspre arguments as impassioned as the ones that have been seen is the ultimate compliment to Bryke, the writers, and everyone else who took part in the creation of this masterpiece.

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    beka777angel wrote:
    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    beka777angel wrote:

    WARNING! Slightly long rant ahead.

    Zuko was obviously beaten, if it wasn't for Katara he would be dead. FALSE!

    Zuko would have definitely beaten Azula if Katara wasn't there. If Katara stayed out of the way, Azula would have fired at Zuko and Zuko would have redirected it and killed her. But because Katara was there, she played up Zuko's hero instincts and tricked him into taking the lightning. It would actually have been better if Katara wasn't there.

    If Azula was sane, she would have won. FALSE!

    They are equal opponents now that Zuko became a master from the dragons. Besides, didn't you see Zuko, he was hardly out of breath, hardly tired when Azula got hit and fell. He obviously could have been able to survive if the battle prolonged. But Azula was panting. She would have tired out if the battle went on. Sure, if she was sane, she would have used trickery better, but when considering all the factors, they are both equal. But from the beginning, if Katara helped Zuko, Azula would have been done within five minutes after the little battle started.

    If Azula became a master from the dragons, she would have owned. False.

    One, the dragons wouldn't have even deemed her worthy for that power. Second, if by the small chance the dragons did, she wouldn't have understood the right way to bend. She had to much hate in her heart, which she depended on wholly on to firebend.

    Is anyone else annoyed by the fact that Katara can get water whenever she wants?

    Really, that annoys some people. I find it annoying that Waterbenders need to find a supply of water to waterbend while firebenders can make it themselves, they don't need to find any, they can just use their powers and attack. That urks me.

    The least Zuko could have done was showed some sympathy to Azula and given her a hug of compassion.

    Oh yes. That would have been so sensible. She is spewing out fire, after attacking him. How insensitive of Zuko. How could he do that, refusing to give a hug to the one who tried killing him(and almost succeeded) him AND Katara. UGH! I mean come on! Azula would have definitely accepted that hug willingly, her being in that insane unstable state. (ish sarcasm if you didnt catch it already)

    Shouldn't Zuko have been killed from the lightning? No. He wasn't hit by the lightning straight to the heart. He was redirecting it (You could tell he redirected it when a HUGE bolt of lightning came from the courtyard they were in, um...duh...) The lightning didn't go correctly through his stomach. Uncle iroh said, it COULD be deadly if it passed throught the heart. COULD. But since Katara was there, it wasn't.

    First of all...Zuko is NOT a master of firebending. Iroh is a master...Ozai is a master...the firebender that lives in the woods is a master. Zuko is NOT a master of firebending, he is still learning. The only reason Azula was out of breath was because she was not thinking correctly. Had she been sane then she would not have been using so much energy. Plus, I already said this before but obviously I need to say it again, Zukos firbdening was ENHANCED by the comet! So was azulas, but Azula was going insane so the enhanced strength didnt help her much. It's pretty obvious that had she been in her right mind Zuko would hav been done for. Azula would not have been killed by zukos redirected lightning, for one Zuko couldn't even kill Ozai when he redirected his lightning. Two, Azula already knew he could redirect it so I doubt she would have just stood there amazed at the fact that he could. Ozai was blind sided by this when Aang did it because he didnt know he could redirect it, but Zuko's retarded self told Azula that he could redirect it, so it made her relunctant to shoot it at him. Plus, Azula would have never agreed to fight a battle that she knows she can't win, so she would have never fought Zuko and Katara at the same time. That's just common sense...

    Here's my elaboration:

    Had Azula been sane, that would mean that she was never betrayed by her friends, which means that Ty Lee would still be on her side. Mai would never agree to fight Zuko, but maybe Katara. Azula vs. Zuko and Ty Lee vs. Katara...that's how I think it would have played out. And with the added strength of the comet, Azula would have completely destroyed Zuko. I don't understand why people are saying he is a "master." he is nothing compared to Iroh and Ozai, who are TRUE MASTERS of firebending, especially Iroh. I agree Zuko has gotten more powerful since the dragon training, but strength is not everything when fighting Azula, which she has proven countless times. When she didn't even have ANY bending at all, she some how managed to out run and manipulate Aang, Toph, and Sokka. She would have no doubt tried this on Zuko as well had she been thinking straight.

    The facts have been laid out countless times. Azula is probabaly the 4th most powerful firebender behind the masters I previously mentioned. She is a prodigy, and she gains skill faster then other firebenders, that's what a prodigy is, someone that is naturally skilled at something. I believe that had she been thinking straight, the outcome would have been VERY different...but she had to in order to complete her character story. We can speculate on this for the rest of our lives, but I stand by what I juss wasted my time typing because I doubt half the people here will read it. Plus Zuko is older then her, so naturally he would be stronger, but obviously this doesn't help him much because Azula is a prodigy. Azula is OVERALL more powerful then Zuko. When your looking for a quaterback you dont look for someone that can throw the ball far...you look for someone that can do that, has good vision, doesn't get injured easily, can think under pressure, and kills dogs in their spare time, That is pretty much Azulas description to the max!!!

    Zuko is a master. Hence...the episode "Firebending Masters". He received the knowledge that would make him a master. But I wont argue that point, because even if Zuko isn't a master in your eyes or maybe he isnt at all, he still is undoubtedly a powerful bender. And as i said before, insanity made Azula more powerful. She put all her strength and rage into her fire and made it STRONGER especially with comet. THE COMET HAD AN AFFECT ON HER POWERS! Oh and i didn't know that being on the brink of insanity made people tired. you would think that insanity gets people more buzzed than usual... I must definately look in to that.(seriously) Zuko purposefully missed Ozai and aimed at his feet because as he said in his speech, the Avatar was meant to kill the firelord, not him. So if Zuko redirected the lightning, he would not have held back at Azula. And my last point. Of course Azula would have accepted the battle even if she new she wouldnt have won. Was she going to let Zuko take the throne without a fight? noooo. Anyways, she thought she was better than Zuko because of her cockiness and because she underestimated Zuko.

    I never said that the comet didnt affect her, I stated that she wasn't thinking clearly and therefore wasn't able to fight correctly. A person playing football who is being distracted by a nagging injury to the head is not going to be able to function as well as he normally would be if he didnt have an injury. And that episode is called firebending masters because the DRAGONS were the original firebending masters. It was clearly stated that Aang still needed work on his firebending...by Zuko himself...I highly doubt that a master of bending "still needs to improve." If he still needs to improve then he is not a master, and based on the fact that Aang's firbending is just as powerful as Zuko's, im going to say that he is not a master either. The lightning that Zuko redirected at Ozai was a direct hit, maybe Ozai didnt power it up enough and was intending it to be a warning shot, but Zuko definitly shot it directly at Ozai. And I am still standing by my theory that Azula was not using her powers correctly because she was still powering up her lightning, Ozai just shot his out, but before hand whe he had shot it at Zuko he had to power it up, therefore Azula was not thinking straight. And she definitly would not have fought both Katara and Zuko, she would know she was outmatched. And if she had she would have relied on trickery to defeat them both, or play the same card as she did in the finale and take a cheap shot at katara. Either way Azula kicks *** and she will recover. The End

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    misterham

    [210]Jul 21, 2008
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    azula would have won if she wasn't insane. iroh knows it, zuko knows it, we all know it. it's not really a point you could argue. the creators intended azula to be a better fighter throughout the show except once she lost her sanity, or they would have gave us conclusive evidence that zuko's stronger. there's a reason they had zuko and sokka team up against her in TBR.

    and about the lightning hitting zuko, i think he redirected it, but it went through his heart
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    wilddog2k8

    [211]Jul 22, 2008
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    misterham wrote:
    azula would have won if she wasn't insane. iroh knows it, zuko knows it, we all know it. it's not really a point you could argue. the creators intended azula to be a better fighter throughout the show except once she lost her sanity, or they would have gave us conclusive evidence that zuko's stronger. there's a reason they had zuko and sokka team up against her in TBR.

    and about the lightning hitting zuko, i think he redirected it, but it went through his heart


    yeah he redirected it, he just did it the wrong way. That's why it hurt him so badly. If you watch closely you will see him sticking out his fingers as if he was trying to redirect it, but then it looked like it overwhelmed him, and his hands went towards his chest instead of his stomach. That's why it left him badly injured. I was wondering about Katara healing him though. Can she heal with any water or does she need that spirit spring water that she ran out of after healing aang when he was almost killed by azula???
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    misterham

    [212]Jul 22, 2008
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    she can heal with any water, but spirit water works the best
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    wilddog2k8

    [213]Jul 22, 2008
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    Also has anyone noticed that in the intro to avatar when they show the for elements, azula is bending red fire...? I guess they just messed that up
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    speechless8582

    [214]Jul 22, 2008
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    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    Also has anyone noticed that in the intro to avatar when they show the for elements, azula is bending red fire...? I guess they just messed that up
    hmm..do you need to put that in every thread? But they do that to better diffreniate the colors of each nation i bet.
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    slumshoes

    [215]Jul 22, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    Also has anyone noticed that in the intro to avatar when they show the for elements, azula is bending red fire...? I guess they just messed that up
    hmm..do you need to put that in every thread? But they do that to better diffreniate the colors of each nation i bet.


    Maybe that was a younger Azula. Remember her fire was not blue in the Flash backs of Zuko Alone. Maybe the Azula in the Intro was a 13 yr old Azula who spews normal fire. Who knows.
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    Maylene

    [216]Jul 22, 2008
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    Someone at Comic Con really needs to ask about Azula's blue fire--and how come she's the only who has it? I mean how does one achieve blue fire? Also, Azula being able to bend lightning without having a clear head.
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    t0nyhawk2

    [217]Jul 22, 2008
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    does anyone no wat hapened to azula? i sorta feel sorry for her
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    waterbender6025

    [218]Jul 22, 2008
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    i knew there was a strong chance of her going insane after boiling rock. i dont think we will see her again, that was a total breakdown.
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    misterham

    [219]Jul 22, 2008
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    waterbender6025 wrote:
    i knew there was a strong chance of her going insane after boiling rock. i dont think we will see her again, that was a total breakdown.

    we HAVE to see her again. they can't just end her story like that. she's not completely evil (like ozai haa) so she deserves a chance at healing
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    crashblast24

    [220]Jul 22, 2008
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    Azula in the future:

    http://www.geocities.com/ryg_bamboo/Ripper.gif

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