Axrendale wrote: | wilddog2k8 wrote: | beka777angel wrote: | WARNING! Slightly long rant ahead. Zuko was obviously beaten, if it wasn't for Katara he would be dead. FALSE! Zuko would have definitely beaten Azula if Katara wasn't there. If Katara stayed out of the way, Azula would have fired at Zuko and Zuko would have redirected it and killed her. But because Katara was there, she played up Zuko's hero instincts and tricked him into taking the lightning. It would actually have been better if Katara wasn't there. If Azula was sane, she would have won. FALSE! They are equal opponents now that Zuko became a master from the dragons. Besides, didn't you see Zuko, he was hardly out of breath, hardly tired when Azula got hit and fell. He obviously could have been able to survive if the battle prolonged. But Azula was panting. She would have tired out if the battle went on. Sure, if she was sane, she would have used trickery better, but when considering all the factors, they are both equal. But from the beginning, if Katara helped Zuko, Azula would have been done within five minutes after the little battle started. If Azula became a master from the dragons, she would have owned. False. One, the dragons wouldn't have even deemed her worthy for that power. Second, if by the small chance the dragons did, she wouldn't have understood the right way to bend. She had to much hate in her heart, which she depended on wholly on to firebend. Is anyone else annoyed by the fact that Katara can get water whenever she wants? Really, that annoys some people. I find it annoying that Waterbenders need to find a supply of water to waterbend while firebenders can make it themselves, they don't need to find any, they can just use their powers and attack. That urks me. Shouldn't Zuko have been killed from the lightning? No. He wasn't hit by the lightning straight to the heart. He was redirecting it (You could tell he redirected it when a HUGE bolt of lightning came from the courtyard they were in, um...duh...) The lightning didn't go correctly through his stomach. Uncle iroh said, it COULD be deadly if it passed throught the heart. COULD. But since Katara was there, it wasn't. |
First of all...Zuko is NOT a master of firebending. Iroh is a master...Ozai is a master...the firebender that lives in the woods is a master. Zuko is NOT a master of firebending, he is still learning. The only reason Azula was out of breath was because she was not thinking correctly. Had she been sane then she would not have been using so much energy. Plus, I already said this before but obviously I need to say it again, Zukos firbdening was ENHANCED by the comet! So was azulas, but Azula was going insane so the enhanced strength didnt help her much. It's pretty obvious that had she been in her right mind Zuko would hav been done for. Azula would not have been killed by zukos redirected lightning, for one Zuko couldn't even kill Ozai when he redirected his lightning. Two, Azula already knew he could redirect it so I doubt she would have just stood there amazed at the fact that he could. Ozai was blind sided by this when Aang did it because he didnt know he could redirect it, but Zuko's retarded self told Azula that he could redirect it, so it made her relunctant to shoot it at him. Plus, Azula would have never agreed to fight a battle that she knows she can't win, so she would have never fought Zuko and Katara at the same time. That's just common sense... Here's my elaboration: Had Azula been sane, that would mean that she was never betrayed by her friends, which means that Ty Lee would still be on her side. Mai would never agree to fight Zuko, but maybe Katara. Azula vs. Zuko and Ty Lee vs. Katara...that's how I think it would have played out. And with the added strength of the comet, Azula would have completely destroyed Zuko. I don't understand why people are saying he is a "master." he is nothing compared to Iroh and Ozai, who are TRUE MASTERS of firebending, especially Iroh. I agree Zuko has gotten more powerful since the dragon training, but strength is not everything when fighting Azula, which she has proven countless times. When she didn't even have ANY bending at all, she some how managed to out run and manipulate Aang, Toph, and Sokka. She would have no doubt tried this on Zuko as well had she been thinking straight. The facts have been laid out countless times. Azula is probabaly the 4th most powerful firebender behind the masters I previously mentioned. She is a prodigy, and she gains skill faster then other firebenders, that's what a prodigy is, someone that is naturally skilled at something. I believe that had she been thinking straight, the outcome would have been VERY different...but she had to in order to complete her character story. We can speculate on this for the rest of our lives, but I stand by what I juss wasted my time typing because I doubt half the people here will read it. Plus Zuko is older then her, so naturally he would be stronger, but obviously this doesn't help him much because Azula is a prodigy. Azula is OVERALL more powerful then Zuko. When your looking for a quaterback you dont look for someone that can throw the ball far...you look for someone that can do that, has good vision, doesn't get injured easily, can think under pressure, and doesn't kill dogs in their spare time, That is pretty much Azulas description to the max!!! |
I agree and disagree with the various points above. I'll begin by saying that both Zuko and Azula are firebending masters - powerwise, they are stronger even than Jeong Jeong, the only people who could beat them are Ozai and iroh (and now Aang). Whether Azula would have beaten Zuko if Katara had not been there is no easy question to answer, but I think that she could have. Her trickery showed that even though she was insane, she was still capable of thinking tactically, measuring her opponents and what they could do. If Katara had been elsewhere, Azula could still have done something smart like shooting the lightning into the ground directly at Zuko's feet - knocking him off balance and giving her an advantage. I am not saying that Zuko never had a chance, in fact he had an extremely good chance of winning the fight. But he allowed Azula to outsmart him, and that was what lost him the fight. Would Azula have won if she was Sane? She won when she was flipping bananas! Of course she would have crushed Zuko if she was still sane in the extact same circumstances. As we have seen in the Boiling Rock, the Southern Raiders, and now the finale, Azula's blue firebending and Zuko's original firebending are equally powerful. Blue flames such as the ones Azula generates are more powerful than regular flames, and equally powerful to regular flames produced with original firebending. the only thing that trumps both is the mastered intense flames that Ozai was making in quantities even greater than Iroh (safely establishing him as the ultimate master of firebending). The comet gave Zuko and Azula the same amount of boost (the power of 100 suns, to be precise), for the same amount of time. If the comet hadn't been there, the fight would have had the same result, but would have been slightly less epic. On the subject of the comet, the extra power that it gave to Zuko may have been what allowed him to survive Azula's lightning. |
JEONG JEONG!!! Thats his name..I forgot what it was. Yeah jeong jeong really isn't a master, but he is still pretty poweful and skillful. I think Iroh is more powerful than Ozai because he has trained with the dragons. Ozai might have more brute strength and considering the fact that Iroh is older, he might be stronger, but I think Iroh's firebending might be a little more powerful thanks to the dragon training. I agree with most of what you said, but in the Boiling rock Azula was fighting both Sokka AND Zuko at the same time. So maybe the distraction of Sokka was throwing her bending off, and ever since that episode she has been slowly slipping away because of Mai and ty Lee's betrayal. I still think that the comet gave Zuko and advantage, because he was able to fully use it to his ability, but because Azula was going crazy she wasn't able to fully express her power. Didn't anyone notice how quickly Ozai was shooting his lightning?!?! When he did it before he had to powe it up and do all those funky motions to do it, but with the comet he just did it with barely any power up, but Azula still did all those wierd motions, so I don't think she was fully using her new found strength. |