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    BrainMan820

    [61]Oct 10, 2009
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    Courtney isn't cruel enough to be the main antagonist, so as far as an antagonist goes, she's going to fall behind Heather. Look at everyone's complaints about her: She's ruthless, she's a strong competitor, she's willing to put everyone's lives on the line to get that million for herself.

    But ultimately, she doesn't build a power base like Heather. It was quite clear that Duncan was the driving force behind the pair's alliance: Courtney just wants to win. Aside from a few quips to Lindsay, and her fighting with Duncan (as crushes tend to do), she's never out and out malicious to anyone. We don't see Courtney reading Gwen's diary, we never see her angry with Leshawna for her insults (although, to be fair, Leshawna didn't really do that).

    Courtney's cut-throat, but ultimately, it wouldn't matter who the other competitors were: she treats them all merely as competitors, and doesn't really relate to them specifically outside of Duncan and Lindsay. Lindsay was pretty nasty to Courtney during their time on Playa de Losers, so it makes sense that Courtney dislikes her. This is in sheer contrast to Heather, who used Trent specifically because it would hurt him and Gwen. She used Lindsay specifically because she was stupid, and Beth specifically because she wanted to be liked by others. Ultimately, Leshawna is just as "alpha female" as she was i TDI and TDA, but we never see Courtney contrast with her like Heather did. To Courtney, Leshawna is just a strong competitor.

    Although Courtney is indeed an antagonist, she's, and I'll probably check flak for this, she's an antagonist with an abject lack of malice. She's not going to go out of her way to hurt anyone, unlike Heather.

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    HaydenAvery

    [62]Oct 10, 2009
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    ah so its alright for courtney to let people die, be a rude snob, and unfairly eliminate others just because she wants to win? yet harold cheats for the reason of being picked on by duncan too much and is suddenly the bad guy?! heather may be mean and eliminated people unfairly too. but she didnt try to kill others and the mean things she says arent true.
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    n5d25d90

    [63]Oct 10, 2009
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    The first definition of antagonist:

    One who contends with another, especially in combat. An adversary. An opponent. (From the Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.4

    Judging by this definition, Courtney could be considered a great antagonist. Her love for competition and her desire to win make her a huge threat in the game to everyone else. Plus, she has been shown to not care so much about several of the other competitors' lives.
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    n5d25d90

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    Hmm... It won't let me edit it for some reason, but that's actually supposed to be an 8 an a parenthesis, not an emoticon.

    Those things can be annoying sometimes, can't they?
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    LordGrievous

    [65]Oct 10, 2009
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    BrainMan820 wrote:

    Courtney isn't cruel enough to be the main antagonist, so as far as an antagonist goes, she's going to fall behind Heather. Look at everyone's complaints about her: She's ruthless, she's a strong competitor, she's willing to put everyone's lives on the line to get that million for herself.

    But ultimately, she doesn't build a power base like Heather. It was quite clear that Duncan was the driving force behind the pair's alliance: Courtney just wants to win. Aside from a few quips to Lindsay, and her fighting with Duncan (as crushes tend to do), she's never out and out malicious to anyone. We don't see Courtney reading Gwen's diary, we never see her angry with Leshawna for her insults (although, to be fair, Leshawna didn't really do that).

    Courtney's cut-throat, but ultimately, it wouldn't matter who the other competitors were: she treats them all merely as competitors, and doesn't really relate to them specifically outside of Duncan and Lindsay. Lindsay was pretty nasty to Courtney during their time on Playa de Losers, so it makes sense that Courtney dislikes her. This is in sheer contrast to Heather, who used Trent specifically because it would hurt him and Gwen. She used Lindsay specifically because she was stupid, and Beth specifically because she wanted to be liked by others. Ultimately, Leshawna is just as "alpha female" as she was i TDI and TDA, but we never see Courtney contrast with her like Heather did. To Courtney, Leshawna is just a strong competitor.

    Although Courtney is indeed an antagonist, she's, and I'll probably check flak for this, she's an antagonist with an abject lack of malice. She's not going to go out of her way to hurt anyone, unlike Heather.

    Wait how was Lindsay nasty to Courtney? The only thing I remember Lindsay saying to Courtney at Playa de Losers was how she would have been voted off anyway since no one really liked her, which wasn't nasty at all since Lindsay had no intention at being mean about it.

    Courtney's dislike of Lindsay is from Lindsay making fire when Courtney couldn't and when Lindsay won the costume contest, Courtney just doesn't like when other people out do her which is what Lindsay did twice.

    Edited on 10/10/2009 11:59am
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    HaydenAvery

    [66]Oct 10, 2009
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    along with the fun cheese factory trip. and lindsay nasty? thats crzier than izzy!
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    snkcole06

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    BrainMan820 wrote:

    Courtney isn't cruel enough to be the main antagonist, so as far as an antagonist goes, she's going to fall behind Heather. Look at everyone's complaints about her: She's ruthless, she's a strong competitor, she's willing to put everyone's lives on the line to get that million for herself.

    But ultimately, she doesn't build a power base like Heather. It was quite clear that Duncan was the driving force behind the pair's alliance: Courtney just wants to win. Aside from a few quips to Lindsay, and her fighting with Duncan (as crushes tend to do), she's never out and out malicious to anyone. We don't see Courtney reading Gwen's diary, we never see her angry with Leshawna for her insults (although, to be fair, Leshawna didn't really do that).

    Courtney's cut-throat, but ultimately, it wouldn't matter who the other competitors were: she treats them all merely as competitors, and doesn't really relate to them specifically outside of Duncan and Lindsay. Lindsay was pretty nasty to Courtney during their time on Playa de Losers, so it makes sense that Courtney dislikes her. This is in sheer contrast to Heather, who used Trent specifically because it would hurt him and Gwen. She used Lindsay specifically because she was stupid, and Beth specifically because she wanted to be liked by others. Ultimately, Leshawna is just as "alpha female" as she was i TDI and TDA, but we never see Courtney contrast with her like Heather did. To Courtney, Leshawna is just a strong competitor.

    Although Courtney is indeed an antagonist, she's, and I'll probably check flak for this, she's an antagonist with an abject lack of malice. She's not going to go out of her way to hurt anyone, unlike Heather.

    ok you think she not cruel enough to be a antagonist, uh yes she is" she got 2 people eliminated her laywers new rules are bullcrap, she keeps winning unfairly, plus cheating her way to the finals. anyways i wonder how she'll get Lindsay eliminated and i do believe shes next plus she hates her the most right now she might be her next target and Duncan is people going to get tired of him defending her? in the next episode

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    imverybasic

    [68]Oct 10, 2009
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    She's a lot crueler than Heather ever was. Where her methods were meant to be strategic, others viewed them to be mean and insensitive at the most. Whereas Courtney almost left seven people to die in a building which was about to blow up.
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    BrainMan820

    [69]Oct 10, 2009
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    LordGrievous wrote:
    BrainMan820 wrote:

    Courtney isn't cruel enough to be the main antagonist, so as far as an antagonist goes, she's going to fall behind Heather. Look at everyone's complaints about her: She's ruthless, she's a strong competitor, she's willing to put everyone's lives on the line to get that million for herself.

    But ultimately, she doesn't build a power base like Heather. It was quite clear that Duncan was the driving force behind the pair's alliance: Courtney just wants to win. Aside from a few quips to Lindsay, and her fighting with Duncan (as crushes tend to do), she's never out and out malicious to anyone. We don't see Courtney reading Gwen's diary, we never see her angry with Leshawna for her insults (although, to be fair, Leshawna didn't really do that).

    Courtney's cut-throat, but ultimately, it wouldn't matter who the other competitors were: she treats them all merely as competitors, and doesn't really relate to them specifically outside of Duncan and Lindsay. Lindsay was pretty nasty to Courtney during their time on Playa de Losers, so it makes sense that Courtney dislikes her. This is in sheer contrast to Heather, who used Trent specifically because it would hurt him and Gwen. She used Lindsay specifically because she was stupid, and Beth specifically because she wanted to be liked by others. Ultimately, Leshawna is just as "alpha female" as she was i TDI and TDA, but we never see Courtney contrast with her like Heather did. To Courtney, Leshawna is just a strong competitor.

    Although Courtney is indeed an antagonist, she's, and I'll probably check flak for this, she's an antagonist with an abject lack of malice. She's not going to go out of her way to hurt anyone, unlike Heather.

    Wait how was Lindsay nasty to Courtney? The only thing I remember Lindsay saying to Courtney at Playa de Losers was how she would have been voted off anyway since no one really liked her, which wasn't nasty at all since Lindsay had no intention at being mean about it.

    Courtney's dislike of Lindsay is from Lindsay making fire when Courtney couldn't and when Lindsay won the costume contest, Courtney just doesn't like when other people out do her which is what Lindsay did twice.

    That is nasty considering Lindsay had absolutely no interaction with Courtney aside from challenges. She was certainly doing it to be mean.

    We see Courtney disliking Lindsay long before Lindsay wins the costume contest. The two were very cold to each other as soon as Courtney returned. You're just assuming that it's because Lindsay made fire. Courtney cheered for Lindsay, after all, once it was revealed that Lindsay made fire first and that Duncan cheated.

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    BrainMan820

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    imverybasic wrote:
    She's a lot crueler than Heather ever was. Where her methods were meant to be strategic, others viewed them to be mean and insensitive at the most. Whereas Courtney almost left seven people to die in a building which was about to blow up.

    Please watch the episode again: Courtney did not believe Chris was actually going to blow up the building. She has no right to share her prize for winning the challenge merely because someone else believes themselves to be in danger.

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    BrainMan820

    [71]Oct 10, 2009
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    snkcole06 wrote:
    BrainMan820 wrote:

    Courtney isn't cruel enough to be the main antagonist, so as far as an antagonist goes, she's going to fall behind Heather. Look at everyone's complaints about her: She's ruthless, she's a strong competitor, she's willing to put everyone's lives on the line to get that million for herself.

    But ultimately, she doesn't build a power base like Heather. It was quite clear that Duncan was the driving force behind the pair's alliance: Courtney just wants to win. Aside from a few quips to Lindsay, and her fighting with Duncan (as crushes tend to do), she's never out and out malicious to anyone. We don't see Courtney reading Gwen's diary, we never see her angry with Leshawna for her insults (although, to be fair, Leshawna didn't really do that).

    Courtney's cut-throat, but ultimately, it wouldn't matter who the other competitors were: she treats them all merely as competitors, and doesn't really relate to them specifically outside of Duncan and Lindsay. Lindsay was pretty nasty to Courtney during their time on Playa de Losers, so it makes sense that Courtney dislikes her. This is in sheer contrast to Heather, who used Trent specifically because it would hurt him and Gwen. She used Lindsay specifically because she was stupid, and Beth specifically because she wanted to be liked by others. Ultimately, Leshawna is just as "alpha female" as she was i TDI and TDA, but we never see Courtney contrast with her like Heather did. To Courtney, Leshawna is just a strong competitor.

    Although Courtney is indeed an antagonist, she's, and I'll probably check flak for this, she's an antagonist with an abject lack of malice. She's not going to go out of her way to hurt anyone, unlike Heather.

    ok you think she not cruel enough to be a antagonist, uh yes she is" she got 2 people eliminated her laywers new rules are bullcrap, she keeps winning unfairly, plus cheating her way to the finals. anyways i wonder how she'll get Lindsay eliminated and i do believe shes next plus she hates her the most right now she might be her next target and Duncan is people going to get tired of him defending her? in the next episode

    Courtney didn't eliminate anyone outside of the rules. She voted for Owen because he cost the challenge, and the other competitors willingly chose to negate their votes by voting for her when she was immune. They knew about it before hand, but they did it anyway. That is on them, not Courtney. As for the other person, who I can only assume is Leshawna, she was merely playing the game. There was nothing malicious about it at all.

    None of Courtney's victories during the challenges were unfairly won, either. She knocked Duncan into the tar, she outwrestled him, she navigated the laser grid, and she had the fastest time accomplishing the challenge. That's all. All completely legitimate.

    If you say Courtney has cheated her way to the finals, prove it. Where has she cheated?

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    imverybasic

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    BrainMan820 wrote:
    Please watch the episode again: Courtney did not believe Chris was actually going to blow up the building. She has no right to share her prize for winning the challenge merely because someone else believes themselves to be in danger.

    Courtney still refused to leave after Harold told her that time was running out. She then said that she would only save the others if they agreed to split the money with her.

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    imverybasic

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    At least Heather didn't steal a hot air balloon and tried to knock four other people off of it.
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    n5d25d90

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    BrainMan820 wrote:
    LordGrievous wrote:
    BrainMan820 wrote:

    Courtney isn't cruel enough to be the main antagonist, so as far as an antagonist goes, she's going to fall behind Heather. Look at everyone's complaints about her: She's ruthless, she's a strong competitor, she's willing to put everyone's lives on the line to get that million for herself.

    But ultimately, she doesn't build a power base like Heather. It was quite clear that Duncan was the driving force behind the pair's alliance: Courtney just wants to win. Aside from a few quips to Lindsay, and her fighting with Duncan (as crushes tend to do), she's never out and out malicious to anyone. We don't see Courtney reading Gwen's diary, we never see her angry with Leshawna for her insults (although, to be fair, Leshawna didn't really do that).

    Courtney's cut-throat, but ultimately, it wouldn't matter who the other competitors were: she treats them all merely as competitors, and doesn't really relate to them specifically outside of Duncan and Lindsay. Lindsay was pretty nasty to Courtney during their time on Playa de Losers, so it makes sense that Courtney dislikes her. This is in sheer contrast to Heather, who used Trent specifically because it would hurt him and Gwen. She used Lindsay specifically because she was stupid, and Beth specifically because she wanted to be liked by others. Ultimately, Leshawna is just as "alpha female" as she was i TDI and TDA, but we never see Courtney contrast with her like Heather did. To Courtney, Leshawna is just a strong competitor.

    Although Courtney is indeed an antagonist, she's, and I'll probably check flak for this, she's an antagonist with an abject lack of malice. She's not going to go out of her way to hurt anyone, unlike Heather.

    Wait how was Lindsay nasty to Courtney? The only thing I remember Lindsay saying to Courtney at Playa de Losers was how she would have been voted off anyway since no one really liked her, which wasn't nasty at all since Lindsay had no intention at being mean about it.

    Courtney's dislike of Lindsay is from Lindsay making fire when Courtney couldn't and when Lindsay won the costume contest, Courtney just doesn't like when other people out do her which is what Lindsay did twice.

    That is nasty considering Lindsay had absolutely no interaction with Courtney aside from challenges. She was certainly doing it to be mean.

    We see Courtney disliking Lindsay long before Lindsay wins the costume contest. The two were very cold to each other as soon as Courtney returned. You're just assuming that it's because Lindsay made fire. Courtney cheered for Lindsay, after all, once it was revealed that Lindsay made fire first and that Duncan cheated.



    And YOU are just assuming that Lindsay meant that in a mean way. Keep that in mind.
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    BrainMan820

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    imverybasic wrote:

    BrainMan820 wrote:
    Please watch the episode again: Courtney did not believe Chris was actually going to blow up the building. She has no right to share her prize for winning the challenge merely because someone else believes themselves to be in danger.

    Courtney still refused to leave after Harold told her that time was running out. She then said that she would only save the others if they agreed to split the money with her.

    That doesn't answer the point made. Harold believed that Chris would blow the building; Courtney didn't. That doesn't mean Courtney can't exact payment. After all, would Courtney put her own life at risk by staying in a building she believed would blow up?

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    shishkabob999

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    n5d25d90 wrote:

    And YOU are just assuming that Lindsay meant that in a mean way. Keep that in mind.


    I know. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brain's talking about LINDSAY, right?
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    LordGrievous

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    BrainMan820 wrote:
    LordGrievous wrote:
    BrainMan820 wrote:

    Courtney isn't cruel enough to be the main antagonist, so as far as an antagonist goes, she's going to fall behind Heather. Look at everyone's complaints about her: She's ruthless, she's a strong competitor, she's willing to put everyone's lives on the line to get that million for herself.

    But ultimately, she doesn't build a power base like Heather. It was quite clear that Duncan was the driving force behind the pair's alliance: Courtney just wants to win. Aside from a few quips to Lindsay, and her fighting with Duncan (as crushes tend to do), she's never out and out malicious to anyone. We don't see Courtney reading Gwen's diary, we never see her angry with Leshawna for her insults (although, to be fair, Leshawna didn't really do that).

    Courtney's cut-throat, but ultimately, it wouldn't matter who the other competitors were: she treats them all merely as competitors, and doesn't really relate to them specifically outside of Duncan and Lindsay. Lindsay was pretty nasty to Courtney during their time on Playa de Losers, so it makes sense that Courtney dislikes her. This is in sheer contrast to Heather, who used Trent specifically because it would hurt him and Gwen. She used Lindsay specifically because she was stupid, and Beth specifically because she wanted to be liked by others. Ultimately, Leshawna is just as "alpha female" as she was i TDI and TDA, but we never see Courtney contrast with her like Heather did. To Courtney, Leshawna is just a strong competitor.

    Although Courtney is indeed an antagonist, she's, and I'll probably check flak for this, she's an antagonist with an abject lack of malice. She's not going to go out of her way to hurt anyone, unlike Heather.

    Wait how was Lindsay nasty to Courtney? The only thing I remember Lindsay saying to Courtney at Playa de Losers was how she would have been voted off anyway since no one really liked her, which wasn't nasty at all since Lindsay had no intention at being mean about it.

    Courtney's dislike of Lindsay is from Lindsay making fire when Courtney couldn't and when Lindsay won the costume contest, Courtney just doesn't like when other people out do her which is what Lindsay did twice.

    That is nasty considering Lindsay had absolutely no interaction with Courtney aside from challenges. She was certainly doing it to be mean.

    We see Courtney disliking Lindsay long before Lindsay wins the costume contest. The two were very cold to each other as soon as Courtney returned. You're just assuming that it's because Lindsay made fire. Courtney cheered for Lindsay, after all, once it was revealed that Lindsay made fire first and that Duncan cheated.

    No it's not, If Lindsay was being nasty she would have said with more attitude but she didn't she said it because like everyone else she was getting annoyed at Courtney's whining and she knew with Courtney's bossiness that she wouldn't be very popular among the other campers.

    And everyone was very cold to Courtney considering her bossing her team around and even Duncan was mad at her with her own rules for the game, and Courtney might have been cheering when Lindsay won the challenge for their team but she was furious before that when Lindsay made fire with the same rocks Courtney used, outbeating Courtney in making fire.

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    LordGrievous

    [79]Oct 10, 2009
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    BrainMan820 wrote:
    imverybasic wrote:

    BrainMan820 wrote:
    Please watch the episode again: Courtney did not believe Chris was actually going to blow up the building. She has no right to share her prize for winning the challenge merely because someone else believes themselves to be in danger.

    Courtney still refused to leave after Harold told her that time was running out. She then said that she would only save the others if they agreed to split the money with her.

    That doesn't answer the point made. Harold believed that Chris would blow the building; Courtney didn't. That doesn't mean Courtney can't exact payment. After all, would Courtney put her own life at risk by staying in a building she believed would blow up?

    She would if she knew everyone would crack before the countdown, plus she could have just waited for there to be 10 seconds left for an answer and then could have just used the grappler hook and left everyone if they didn't agree.

    Edited on 10/10/2009 6:13pm
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    imverybasic

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    BrainMan820 wrote:
    That doesn't answer the point made. Harold believed that Chris would blow the building; Courtney didn't. That doesn't mean Courtney can't exact payment. After all, would Courtney put her own life at risk by staying in a building she believed would blow up?

    Well she certainly had no problem stealing a hot air balloon and leave four other campers dangling for their lives. Plus I never said that Courtney would want to put her own life at risk. I said that she has no trouble putting others' at risk. Besides, the fact that the other players tried to convince her that Chris was going to blow up the building makes her very dense-headed. And it wasn't so much that she was going to put her own life at risk, but was thinking of putting the others' lives at risk if they didn't do what she said. Seeing as she was the only one with the materials, she could have just escaped the building and left the others' behind.

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