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| Lame-O wrote: |
(Actually now that I watched that battle between Katara and Zuko again, Zuko's much stronger there, he hold up a stands against Katara when it was night, but when the sun came, Katara was no match for Zuko) |
| misterham wrote: | ||
well she wasn't really expecting it. and the tree was in the way to knock her out. and if katara was smart, she could have defeated zuko by freezing his whole body instead of just surrounding it in a sphere of ice. but that wouldn't be a very fun match to watch. they're even. and i think iro will teach aang. why would zuko teach him if iro were there? unless he leaves or dies or something |
| pmgandrews wrote: |
| Zuko challenged a General (he thought) to Agni Kai by insulting him in the War Room, and was then ready to fight said General. The fact that he accepted this challenge and people like Iroh didn't step in would mean he at least stood a chance. Later he defeats Zhao at Agni Kai and in Siege of the North he defeats him again, while severely weakened and injured to boot. So Zuko is (or close to) a master. Of course Iroh, Azula and (Presumably) Ozai are still quite a bit above him. Zuko Alone shows him as a little kid firebending, so he's had quite a few years of practice. Course Iroh didn't start teaching him the advanced techniques until the first episode. And he's going to master lightning in the future, he knows how to do it, he just can't until he lets go of his pride and shame. So Zuko is the most likely canditate. He's one of the lead characters, clearly slowly shifting over to Aangs side and against the Fire Nation, and there are moments like Blue Spirit in which Aang seemed to want to be friends with Zuko. |
| pmgandrews wrote: |
| Zuko challenged a General (he thought) to Agni Kai by insulting him in the War Room, and was then ready to fight said General. The fact that he accepted this challenge and people like Iroh didn't step in would mean he at least stood a chance. Later he defeats Zhao at Agni Kai and in Siege of the North he defeats him again, while severely weakened and injured to boot. So Zuko is (or close to) a master. Of course Iroh, Azula and (Presumably) Ozai are still quite a bit above him. Zuko Alone shows him as a little kid firebending, so he's had quite a few years of practice. Course Iroh didn't start teaching him the advanced techniques until the first episode. And he's going to master lightning in the future, he knows how to do it, he just can't until he lets go of his pride and shame. So Zuko is the most likely canditate. He's one of the lead characters, clearly slowly shifting over to Aangs side and against the Fire Nation, and there are moments like Blue Spirit in which Aang seemed to want to be friends with Zuko. |
| misterham wrote: |
| i still think that iroh would be better. he's a better firebender and has better patience, which is needed in teaching. he can also do lightning, something zuko is not yet able to do. why is azula the only firebender with blue fire. does that mean she's a better firebender or just has more power. cause i always thought iroh was a better firebender than she is but his fire is orange. |
| JonathonWolf wrote: |
I don't think this is overtly discussed in the show. Blue fire burns hotter than red or orange. You can see the effects of this when Azula sets something on fire, and the flame goes from blue to red. I would guess that either the blue flame suggests that she is putting more energy into it or she is using more focus. Many firebenders can probably make blue flame, but they might consider it a waste of effort when a regular flame will usually get the same result. She probably does it all the time to show her superiority and perfection. You can also notice that she has never used fire breath, so that might be a technique Zuko has mastered that she hasn't. It seems like Azula masters each move to perfection and then moves to the next where Iroh trains Zuko to get a good enough technique to learn the next set and has him practice everything all the time. |
| zukone wrote: |
| I don't care how many times you want to sing it, I don't think he is a master. Let's just say that Zuko is reary reary good at firebending. If your argument is that he is a master, then there are a few other issues that do not make him an ideal choice to teach Aang. 1. Zuko is not a master. Oh wait. I already said let's pretend that he is. 2. Zuko doesn't seem to have a special bond with his element. His other teachers do. Katara, since the beginning, has been enamored with water bending, always seeking to learn more about it as a part of her heritage. It was something she revered and nurtured. King Bumi instructed Aang to find someone with that sort of bond (not in those words exactly). Toph ended up being that person. I don't think I need to explain why in too many details save to say that the earth is how she sees. How deeper in tune does it get? Conversely, Zuko's interest in fire bending, as of yet, is not for the bending itself or for understanding the element- it has been for power and pride. 3. This second point goes with the previous one. Just because you know alot does not mean that you will make a good teacher. Just walk into most college level math classes and you find out soon enough. There are geniuses without a clue as to how to convey the meaning of what is on the frickin' syllabus. To teach, you have to understand and have the understanding of how that gift is absorbed. Toph, though rough, began to bend towards Aang's learning style. Katara is a natural teacher. Zuko and teacher do not seem to meet. He is still a student (of many things). Jeong Jeong makes a more ideal teacher. There's no freakin' way I would want Zuko to teach me. With my previous points made, I'd like to conclude and say that I think being a master is more than just being able to bend quite fancy. If it is, then being Aang's teacher requires more than just that. If the outcome turns out another way, so be it. To me, it doesn't make sense for his teacher to be Zuko. |
| Falcondude123 wrote: | ||
Interesting points, and probably more logical, but c'mone, wouldn't it just be awesome to see Aangs once-mortal-enemy make the complete shift and become his friend and mentor? After all, who said anything in this show had to make logical sense? The whole concept of bending elements is illogical, but it's just fun to watch! So what if it's not completely logical that Zuko should teach aang firebending? It's just FUN TO WATCH! |
| JonathonWolf wrote: | ||
I don't think this is overtly discussed in the show. Blue fire burns hotter than red or orange. You can see the effects of this when Azula sets something on fire, and the flame goes from blue to red. I would guess that either the blue flame suggests that she is putting more energy into it or she is using more focus. Many firebenders can probably make blue flame, but they might consider it a waste of effort when a regular flame will usually get the same result. She probably does it all the time to show her superiority and perfection. You can also notice that she has never used fire breath, so that might be a technique Zuko has mastered that she hasn't. It seems like Azula masters each move to perfection and then moves to the next where Iroh trains Zuko to get a good enough technique to learn the next set and has him practice everything all the time. |
| misterham wrote: | ||
it doesn't seem like she has to put more effort into it. in "the chase" she was firing fire like crazy and didn't seem to get tired at all. and maybe she doesn't use fire breath cause it looks ugly |
| thatguy1991 wrote: |
| Just wondering has anybody thought of this yet: 2 masters or at least start with one and move to another I think that Iroh will start training him in the basics, but eventually Zuko will take over mostly because that has been the general pattern in the show. The water bending master in the north (forgot name) originally taught Aang but it was eventually moved as Katara's job. For earth bending, originally Boomy was supposed to teach Aang, but he explained to Aang that he needed a better master, so Aang went searching again and this time found Toph. The other pattern I noticed was that it went from was a male master to a female, younger master. Though this probably won't apply to the fire bender teacher case cause I think Azula is too sick and twisted to teach Aang it is just something to think about. |
