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    Spike815

    [901]Apr 21, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:
    kaybee_2 wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    eyebrowes: unhappy, bittersweet when used with smile
    eyes: shock. pretty obvious
    mouth: corners turned down = not happy.


    What, so to be surprised in a neutral way you have to be smiling? That doesn't even make sense! Unless someone's completely thrilled, I seriously doubt they'll smile. If you're just plain surprised (not necessarily positive or negative), a normal person's first reaction is made up of eyes widening and jaw possibly dropping. That doesn't say anything about whether it's a bad or good surprise, it just means they're surprised! And if Katara had been repulsed or horrified, her eyebrows would have gone down, not up.

    Her expression is just surprise for now. That's all we can get out of it. To me, she didn't seem that displeased with the kiss, just a little shocked and worried about something. And remember, she's not necessarily reacting that way because of the kiss itself. Unless we know exactly what happened or what was said right before Aang leaned in for the kiss, we can't blame her expression on it. I still like the idea that Aang told her about the AS and then kissed her -- it would make a lot of sense. But we can't know for sure until the finale airs, so we shouldn't jump to conclusions!
    hey now, don't put words in my mouth. her eyes show that she was surprised, her eyebrows show that she was unhappy much more than her mouth does. if it were a neutral surprised expression her eyebrows would have simply arched upward.


    Surprised is surprised. The facial expression of shock really doesn't show if someone's happy or sad.

    Like a surprise party and someone getting mugged would be pretty much the same.
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    AllKnowingBeing

    [902]Apr 21, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    AllKnowingBeing wrote:

    Its going to be Crossroads of Destiny all over again. Aang comes in gets his ho.

    Or The Waterbending Scroll. You think Zutarians would be used to getting fooled...
    They never learn! "ZOMGZZ MAIKO ISS LIEK SO TOTALLY OVERZ!!!11!! ZUTARA RXX MI SOXXXX@!1REt34TY 0YY[" *Maiko repaired* "Hmm, I think I'll go with with extreme plot-morphing this week."
    Lol I love it Spacerac when you do that OMG LIKE TOTALLY! voice. It cracks me up.
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    Spacerac

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    AllKnowingBeing wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    AllKnowingBeing wrote:

    Its going to be Crossroads of Destiny all over again. Aang comes in gets his ho.

    Or The Waterbending Scroll. You think Zutarians would be used to getting fooled...
    They never learn! "ZOMGZZ MAIKO ISS LIEK SO TOTALLY OVERZ!!!11!! ZUTARA RXX MI SOXXXX@!1REt34TY 0YY[" *Maiko repaired* "Hmm, I think I'll go with with extreme plot-morphing this week."
    Lol I love it Spacerac when you do that OMG LIKE TOTALLY! voice. It cracks me up.
    heh heh, I aim to please.(third time saying that today...)
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    DeeDuck33

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    Spacerac wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    AllKnowingBeing wrote:

    Its going to be Crossroads of Destiny all over again. Aang comes in gets his ho.

    Or The Waterbending Scroll. You think Zutarians would be used to getting fooled...
    They never learn! "ZOMGZZ MAIKO ISS LIEK SO TOTALLY OVERZ!!!11!! ZUTARA RXX MI SOXXXX@!1REt34TY 0YY[" *Maiko repaired* "Hmm, I think I'll go with with extreme plot-morphing this week."
    lol
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    avrurakinninami

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    AllKnowingBeing wrote:

    Its going to be Crossroads of Destiny all over again. Aang comes in gets his ho.



    for the right choice this time.
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    LeonMorado

    [906]Apr 21, 2008
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    Spike815 wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    kaybee_2 wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    eyebrowes: unhappy, bittersweet when used with smile
    eyes: shock. pretty obvious
    mouth: corners turned down = not happy.


    What, so to be surprised in a neutral way you have to be smiling? That doesn't even make sense! Unless someone's completely thrilled, I seriously doubt they'll smile. If you're just plain surprised (not necessarily positive or negative), a normal person's first reaction is made up of eyes widening and jaw possibly dropping. That doesn't say anything about whether it's a bad or good surprise, it just means they're surprised! And if Katara had been repulsed or horrified, her eyebrows would have gone down, not up.

    Her expression is just surprise for now. That's all we can get out of it. To me, she didn't seem that displeased with the kiss, just a little shocked and worried about something. And remember, she's not necessarily reacting that way because of the kiss itself. Unless we know exactly what happened or what was said right before Aang leaned in for the kiss, we can't blame her expression on it. I still like the idea that Aang told her about the AS and then kissed her -- it would make a lot of sense. But we can't know for sure until the finale airs, so we shouldn't jump to conclusions!
    hey now, don't put words in my mouth. her eyes show that she was surprised, her eyebrows show that she was unhappy much more than her mouth does. if it were a neutral surprised expression her eyebrows would have simply arched upward.


    Surprised is surprised. The facial expression of shock really doesn't show if someone's happy or sad.

    Like a surprise party and someone getting mugged would be pretty much the same.
    wrong. by that logic, these to faces have the exact same expression.
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    AllKnowingBeing

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    avrurakinninami wrote:
    AllKnowingBeing wrote:

    Its going to be Crossroads of Destiny all over again. Aang comes in gets his ho.



    for the right choice this time.
    And that choice is Aang. Now your getting it.
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    Spike815

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    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    kaybee_2 wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    eyebrowes: unhappy, bittersweet when used with smile
    eyes: shock. pretty obvious
    mouth: corners turned down = not happy.


    What, so to be surprised in a neutral way you have to be smiling? That doesn't even make sense! Unless someone's completely thrilled, I seriously doubt they'll smile. If you're just plain surprised (not necessarily positive or negative), a normal person's first reaction is made up of eyes widening and jaw possibly dropping. That doesn't say anything about whether it's a bad or good surprise, it just means they're surprised! And if Katara had been repulsed or horrified, her eyebrows would have gone down, not up.

    Her expression is just surprise for now. That's all we can get out of it. To me, she didn't seem that displeased with the kiss, just a little shocked and worried about something. And remember, she's not necessarily reacting that way because of the kiss itself. Unless we know exactly what happened or what was said right before Aang leaned in for the kiss, we can't blame her expression on it. I still like the idea that Aang told her about the AS and then kissed her -- it would make a lot of sense. But we can't know for sure until the finale airs, so we shouldn't jump to conclusions!
    hey now, don't put words in my mouth. her eyes show that she was surprised, her eyebrows show that she was unhappy much more than her mouth does. if it were a neutral surprised expression her eyebrows would have simply arched upward.


    Surprised is surprised. The facial expression of shock really doesn't show if someone's happy or sad.

    Like a surprise party and someone getting mugged would be pretty much the same.
    wrong. by that logic, these to faces have the exact same expression.


    Where did you find two gaint smiley faces at this time of day?

    Anyway, face on the right is horrer/frightened. Diffren't then surprised. (And I don't think Katara was horrified.)
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    avrurakinninami

    [909]Apr 21, 2008
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    AllKnowingBeing wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:
    AllKnowingBeing wrote:

    Its going to be Crossroads of Destiny all over again. Aang comes in gets his ho.



    for the right choice this time.
    And that choice is Aang. Now your getting it.


    Sure, whatever, don't worry, I won't give up so easily.
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    DeeDuck33

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    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    kaybee_2 wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    eyebrowes: unhappy, bittersweet when used with smile
    eyes: shock. pretty obvious
    mouth: corners turned down = not happy.


    What, so to be surprised in a neutral way you have to be smiling? That doesn't even make sense! Unless someone's completely thrilled, I seriously doubt they'll smile. If you're just plain surprised (not necessarily positive or negative), a normal person's first reaction is made up of eyes widening and jaw possibly dropping. That doesn't say anything about whether it's a bad or good surprise, it just means they're surprised! And if Katara had been repulsed or horrified, her eyebrows would have gone down, not up.

    Her expression is just surprise for now. That's all we can get out of it. To me, she didn't seem that displeased with the kiss, just a little shocked and worried about something. And remember, she's not necessarily reacting that way because of the kiss itself. Unless we know exactly what happened or what was said right before Aang leaned in for the kiss, we can't blame her expression on it. I still like the idea that Aang told her about the AS and then kissed her -- it would make a lot of sense. But we can't know for sure until the finale airs, so we shouldn't jump to conclusions!
    hey now, don't put words in my mouth. her eyes show that she was surprised, her eyebrows show that she was unhappy much more than her mouth does. if it were a neutral surprised expression her eyebrows would have simply arched upward.


    Surprised is surprised. The facial expression of shock really doesn't show if someone's happy or sad.

    Like a surprise party and someone getting mugged would be pretty much the same.
    wrong. by that logic, these to faces have the exact same expression.

    The second expression shows worry. Not unpleased, just worried.
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    rockon45

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    nice smilies
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    LeonMorado

    [912]Apr 21, 2008
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    Spike815 wrote:


    Where did you find two gaint smiley faces at this time of day?

    Anyway, face on the right is horrer/frightened. Diffren't then surprised. (And I don't think Katara was horrified.)
    i made em' myself. ^_^

    and katara shows the same facial elements.
    eyebrows slanted upward, wide eyes, open mouth with downturned corners. obviously the smile is a hyperbole, but the elements of expression are the same. katara wasn't horrified, she was unpleasantly surprised.

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    avrurakinninami

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    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    Where did you find two gaint smiley faces at this time of day? Anyway, face on the right is horrer/frightened. Diffren't then surprised. (And I don't think Katara was horrified.)
    i made em' myself. ^_^ and katara shows the same facial elements. eyebrows slanted upward, wide eyes, open mouth with downturned corners. obviously the smile is a hyperbole, but the elements of expression are the same. katara wasn't horrified, she was unpleasantly surprised.

    Cmon, even in the waterbending scroll, she wasnt like that with Zuko.

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    rockon45

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    avrurakinninami wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    Where did you find two gaint smiley faces at this time of day? Anyway, face on the right is horrer/frightened. Diffren't then surprised. (And I don't think Katara was horrified.)
    i made em' myself. ^_^ and katara shows the same facial elements. eyebrows slanted upward, wide eyes, open mouth with downturned corners. obviously the smile is a hyperbole, but the elements of expression are the same. katara wasn't horrified, she was unpleasantly surprised.

    Cmon, even in the waterbending scroll, she wasnt like that with Zuko.

    I'm telling you, he told her about the avatar spirit.
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    Spike815

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    avrurakinninami wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    Where did you find two gaint smiley faces at this time of day? Anyway, face on the right is horrer/frightened. Diffren't then surprised. (And I don't think Katara was horrified.)
    i made em' myself. ^_^ and katara shows the same facial elements. eyebrows slanted upward, wide eyes, open mouth with downturned corners. obviously the smile is a hyperbole, but the elements of expression are the same. katara wasn't horrified, she was unpleasantly surprised.

    Cmon, even in the waterbending scroll, she wasnt like that with Zuko.



    lulz at wrongness
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    merdok2005

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    OMG ARE YOU DAMN SERIOUS???! HER FACE WAS SCOWLED IN 109 WITH ZUKO! MY FRICKIN' GOSH! AND IF YOU PEOPLE THINK IN THE SLIGHTEST BIT THAT THAT FACE IS WORSE THAN KATARA'S IN 109, YOU ARE REALLY IDIOTIC! KATARA WAS NO WHERE NEAR REPULSED AND IF SHE ACTUALLY HATED THAT KISS SHE WOULD'VE DONE THAT BACK IN 310 TOO. IT'S SOMETHING AANG SAID TO MAKE HER SAY THAT. WHICH IS MOST LIKELY THE AVATAR STATE ISSUE. Erghh. Sorry rofl.

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    LeonMorado

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    Spike815 wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    Where did you find two gaint smiley faces at this time of day? Anyway, face on the right is horrer/frightened. Diffren't then surprised. (And I don't think Katara was horrified.)
    i made em' myself. ^_^ and katara shows the same facial elements. eyebrows slanted upward, wide eyes, open mouth with downturned corners. obviously the smile is a hyperbole, but the elements of expression are the same. katara wasn't horrified, she was unpleasantly surprised.

    Cmon, even in the waterbending scroll, she wasnt like that with Zuko.



    lulz at wrongness
    not quite the same expression, but both in both the eyebrows show that she's unhappy.
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    LeonMorado

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    merdok2005 wrote:

    OMG ARE YOU DAMN SERIOUS???! HER FACE WAS SCOWLED IN 109 WITH ZUKO! MY FRICKIN' GOSH! AND IF YOU PEOPLE THINK IN THE SLIGHTEST BIT THAT THAT FACE IS WORSE THAN KATARA'S IN 109, YOU ARE REALLY IDIOTIC! KATARA WAS NO WHERE NEAR REPULSED AND IF SHE ACTUALLY HATED THAT KISS SHE WOULD'VE DONE THAT BACK IN 310 TOO. IT'S SOMETHING AANG SAID TO MAKE HER SAY THAT. WHICH IS MOST LIKELY THE AVATAR STATE ISSUE. Erghh. Sorry rofl.

    as i said in the other shipping thread:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    if it was a reaction to something he said, she would have responded when he said it. so once again, unless he broke off mid sentence to kiss her, she could only be responding to the kiss.
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    Spacerac

    [919]Apr 21, 2008
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    Ok, let's chill folks, lest you get pissy like the peeps at DA....
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    Spike815

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    LeonMorado wrote:
    merdok2005 wrote:

    OMG ARE YOU DAMN SERIOUS???! HER FACE WAS SCOWLED IN 109 WITH ZUKO! MY FRICKIN' GOSH! AND IF YOU PEOPLE THINK IN THE SLIGHTEST BIT THAT THAT FACE IS WORSE THAN KATARA'S IN 109, YOU ARE REALLY IDIOTIC! KATARA WAS NO WHERE NEAR REPULSED AND IF SHE ACTUALLY HATED THAT KISS SHE WOULD'VE DONE THAT BACK IN 310 TOO. IT'S SOMETHING AANG SAID TO MAKE HER SAY THAT. WHICH IS MOST LIKELY THE AVATAR STATE ISSUE. Erghh. Sorry rofl.

    as i said in the other shipping thread:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    if it was a reaction to something he said, she would have responded when he said it. so once again, unless he broke off mid sentence to kiss her, she could only be responding to the kiss.


    You can't really make that call. You don't know what they're conversation was, how fast he kissed her, or even why she's backing away. So no one's going to win an arguement about why she pulled away. (Same goes for the Zutara hug)
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