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Sozin's Comet (Series Finale) Official Discussion Thread - (*Major Spoilers*)

Rate the finale! How was it?

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    LondonParisNYC

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    Well then he's taking roids or something haha
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    isabelwhatx

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    Rayneemomo wrote:

    I apologize if this has already been addressed, but I don't have time to go through 152 pages of forum.

    1. Was there a full moon when Katara bloodbended the leader of the Southern Raiders?

    2. Why did Jun (sp?) say Aang didn't exist when the gang wanted the mole creature (Shir-shu?) to track Aang by his scent?

    Thanks!


    1. There was a full moon in TSR. It was focused on before Katara started talking to Zuko and 2 other seperate times in the episode. When I saw it I almost threw something I was so excited. I couldn't keep back the scream, though
    3. June couldn't find Aang because the lion-turtle's scent was so old that it smelled like the Earth itself, therefore covering Aang's. At least, that's what Bryke said.
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    xdarkdudex

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    suss2it wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:

    Andy639_basic wrote:
    So... I have a question of sorts... Anybody have any thoughts about the fact that Aang didn't kill the Fire Lord in the end? Think it was a creative decision on the part of the creators or that Nickelodeon just wouldn't allow it? I'm kind of leaning towards the latter, because I think DiMartino and Konietzko are very smart and talented and would have forshadowed the way out of killing Ozai long before they actually did. As it stands, the giant creature giving Aang Energy Bending seems like something pulled out of their rear ends at the last minute.

    I agree with you totally, because the turtle in general seemed to be a very awkward device used by the creators to make so Aang could have his cake and eat it too.
    I've never liked that analogy. What else does one do with cake?

    If you eat your cake, you can't have it, so its impossible to do both at the same time. Aang wanted to defeat Ozai, but didnt want to kill him, so it'd be like he wants to have his cake, but also to eat it. What I meant by the analogy was that the creators gave him a way to do both, by giving him energy bending or whatever, which would be like giving him another cake, so he could have a cake and eat one too.

    The sole purpose of acquiring a cake is so that you can eat it, so that analogy doesn't work in this situation.

    There are paintings of cake. Although thats not the best example that shows there are other things that are done with cake, so having cake is not simply rhetoric to create the analogy.

    So you'd want a cake to make a painting of it? Why not just paint a picture of cake anyway, what the hell do you need the cake for? There is only one reasonable thing for someone to do with cake, and that's to eat it.

    Could sell it...

    Regardless, the point is, the turtle felt like the creators were trying to allow Aang to do what he wanted to do (not kill Ozai) while doing what he had to do (defeat Ozai), two things which should have been mutually exclusive (you can't have them both). But they made it so that he could do everything, and lost really nothing. The last episode was all about Aang's gain, and everything in his life coming together. He defeated Ozai, Keitara really did love him, the balance was semi-fixed.

    That's another thing that bothered me. The whole thing about Keitara not being sure about really loving Aang really didn't resolve, it just fixed itself, and Keitara came back. I felt at least there should have been something explaining that. That's what Keitara and Zuko should have done when they went away.

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    LondonParisNYC

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    I don't know if anyone has talking about this but i'm not going throw over 150 pages to find out.

    Anyone else hate that cookie cutter, cliche, last 5 minuetes? God, way to take the lazy way out, because they managed to resolve all of the shows in depth issues, spaning over many season, into one little short sweet package. Those last 5 minuetes felt like the writing of 7th grade fan in a creative writing class. Don't yell at me, lol, just saying =]

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    Rayneemomo wrote:

    I apologize if this has already been addressed, but I don't have time to go through 152 pages of forum.

    1. Was there a full moon when Katara bloodbended the leader of the Southern Raiders?

    2. Why did Jun (sp?) say Aang didn't exist when the gang wanted the mole creature (Shir-shu?) to track Aang by his scent?

    Thanks!



    1. There's a quick shot of the full moon, well everyone says anyways
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    Orangepeel1

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    What the heck is bloodbending?
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    avatarfan2840

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    Orangepeel1 wrote:
    What the heck is bloodbending?
    :O have you been watching the series, if you missed the puppetmaster episode, then it's on theavatarportal.org
    Edited on 07/20/2008 10:12pm
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    isabelwhatx

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I don't know if anyone has talking about this but i'm not going throw over 150 pages to find out.

    Anyone else hate that cookie cutter, cliche, last 5 minuetes? God, way to take the lazy way out, because they managed to resolve all of the shows in depth issues, spaning over many season, into one little short sweet package. Those last 5 minuetes felt like the writing of 7th grade fan in a creative writing class. Don't yell at me, lol, just saying =]


    I don't agree, solely because it was purely Avatar. Any other show and I might have been disappointed. But it was just right for this particular one. I have absolutely no criticism to the finale other than the fact that I think Toph should've died.
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    suss2it

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    xdarkdudex wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:

    Andy639_basic wrote:
    So... I have a question of sorts... Anybody have any thoughts about the fact that Aang didn't kill the Fire Lord in the end? Think it was a creative decision on the part of the creators or that Nickelodeon just wouldn't allow it? I'm kind of leaning towards the latter, because I think DiMartino and Konietzko are very smart and talented and would have forshadowed the way out of killing Ozai long before they actually did. As it stands, the giant creature giving Aang Energy Bending seems like something pulled out of their rear ends at the last minute.

    I agree with you totally, because the turtle in general seemed to be a very awkward device used by the creators to make so Aang could have his cake and eat it too.
    I've never liked that analogy. What else does one do with cake?

    If you eat your cake, you can't have it, so its impossible to do both at the same time. Aang wanted to defeat Ozai, but didnt want to kill him, so it'd be like he wants to have his cake, but also to eat it. What I meant by the analogy was that the creators gave him a way to do both, by giving him energy bending or whatever, which would be like giving him another cake, so he could have a cake and eat one too.

    The sole purpose of acquiring a cake is so that you can eat it, so that analogy doesn't work in this situation.

    There are paintings of cake. Although thats not the best example that shows there are other things that are done with cake, so having cake is not simply rhetoric to create the analogy.

    So you'd want a cake to make a painting of it? Why not just paint a picture of cake anyway, what the hell do you need the cake for? There is only one reasonable thing for someone to do with cake, and that's to eat it.

    Could sell it...

    Regardless, the point is, the turtle felt like the creators were trying to allow Aang to do what he wanted to do (not kill Ozai) while doing what he had to do (defeat Ozai), two things which should have been mutually exclusive (you can't have them both). But they made it so that he could do everything, and lost really nothing. The last episode was all about Aang's gain, and everything in his life coming together. He defeated Ozai, Keitara really did love him, the balance was semi-fixed.

    That's another thing that bothered me. The whole thing about Keitara not being sure about really loving Aang really didn't resolve, it just fixed itself, and Keitara came back. I felt at least there should have been something explaining that. That's what Keitara and Zuko should have done when they went away.

    It is spelt Katara. So what did you want from the finale exactly? For Aang to not get what he wants and fail?

    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I don't know if anyone has talking about this but i'm not going throw over 150 pages to find out.

    Anyone else hate that cookie cutter, cliche, last 5 minuetes? God, way to take the lazy way out, because they managed to resolve all of the shows in depth issues, spaning over many season, into one little short sweet package. Those last 5 minuetes felt like the writing of 7th grade fan in a creative writing class. Don't yell at me, lol, just saying =]

    But everything wasn't resolved, it was acknowledged that the FireLord & Avatar still have plenty of work to do before restoring honour to the Fire Nation and restoring the balance of the world.
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    LondonParisNYC

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    Orangepeel1 wrote:
    What the heck is bloodbending?


    Katara has the abailty to bend blood in people bodies (because it's liquid I guess) and control their actions, physically.
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    isabelwhatx

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    Orangepeel1 wrote:
    What the heck is bloodbending?

    LEAVE! NOW! DO NOT EVER SAY THAT AGAIN! *blood bends Orangepeel out of the thread*
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    Rayneemomo

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Rayneemomo wrote:

    I apologize if this has already been addressed, but I don't have time to go through 152 pages of forum.

    1. Was there a full moon when Katara bloodbended the leader of the Southern Raiders?

    2. Why did Jun (sp?) say Aang didn't exist when the gang wanted the mole creature (Shir-shu?) to track Aang by his scent?

    Thanks!

    1. There was a full moon in TSR. It was focused on before Katara started talking to Zuko and 2 other seperate times in the episode. When I saw it I almost threw something I was so excited. I couldn't keep back the scream, though 3. June couldn't find Aang because the lion-turtle's scent was so old that it smelled like the Earth itself, therefore covering Aang's. At least, that's what Bryke said.

    Awesome!!! Thank you very much!

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    LondonParisNYC

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    [/QUOTE]But everything wasn't resolved, it was acknowledged that the FireLord & Avatar still have plenty of work to do before restoring honour to the Fire Nation and restoring the balance of the world.[/QUOTE]

    I suppose, but that again, seemed really cliche, and they said that so it wouldn't seem like a "happily ever after" story. I mean, all of the issues spaninng across the show were resolved. Like really big, in-depth issues.

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    Orangepeel1

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Orangepeel1 wrote:
    What the heck is bloodbending?


    Katara has the abailty to bend blood in people bodies (because it's liquid I guess) and control their actions, physically.


    Oh, ok. The word bloodbending made me think of decompression sickness (the bends) so I was imagining something extremely painful.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I don't know if anyone has talking about this but i'm not going throw over 150 pages to find out.

    Anyone else hate that cookie cutter, cliche, last 5 minuetes? God, way to take the lazy way out, because they managed to resolve all of the shows in depth issues, spaning over many season, into one little short sweet package. Those last 5 minuetes felt like the writing of 7th grade fan in a creative writing class. Don't yell at me, lol, just saying =]


    I don't agree, solely because it was purely Avatar. Any other show and I might have been disappointed. But it was just right for this particular one. I have absolutely no criticism to the finale other than the fact that I think Toph should've died.


    ;( you WANTED TOPH TO DIE!!!!!!! Omg, I'm gonna cry. Sokka and Toph bring the humor to the show and why would wish her to die?? What about that jerk Katara??
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    LondonParisNYC

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I don't know if anyone has talking about this but i'm not going throw over 150 pages to find out.

    Anyone else hate that cookie cutter, cliche, last 5 minuetes? God, way to take the lazy way out, because they managed to resolve all of the shows in depth issues, spaning over many season, into one little short sweet package. Those last 5 minuetes felt like the writing of 7th grade fan in a creative writing class. Don't yell at me, lol, just saying =]

    I don't agree, solely because it was purely Avatar. Any other show and I might have been disappointed. But it was just right for this particular one. I have absolutely no criticism to the finale other than the fact that I think Toph should've died.

    Why should she have died?

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    suss2it

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    avatarfan2840 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I don't know if anyone has talking about this but i'm not going throw over 150 pages to find out.

    Anyone else hate that cookie cutter, cliche, last 5 minuetes? God, way to take the lazy way out, because they managed to resolve all of the shows in depth issues, spaning over many season, into one little short sweet package. Those last 5 minuetes felt like the writing of 7th grade fan in a creative writing class. Don't yell at me, lol, just saying =]


    I don't agree, solely because it was purely Avatar. Any other show and I might have been disappointed. But it was just right for this particular one. I have absolutely no criticism to the finale other than the fact that I think Toph should've died.


    ;( you WANTED TOPH TO DIE!!!!!!! Omg, I'm gonna cry. Sokka and Toph bring the humor to the show and why would wish her to die?? What about that jerk Katara??
    How exactly is Katara a jerk?
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    isabelwhatx

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    But everything wasn't resolved, it was acknowledged that the FireLord & Avatar still have plenty of work to do before restoring honour to the Fire Nation and restoring the balance of the world.[/QUOTE]

    I suppose, but that again, seemed really cliche, and they said that so it wouldn't seem like a "happily ever after" story. I mean, all of the issues spaninng across the show were resolved. Like really big, in-depth issues.

    [/QUOTE]
    No. There's still the issue of the Airbenders being wiped out. Also, even Zuko said the world was scarred. It will take a while to restore balance.
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    isabelwhatx

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    avatarfan2840 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I don't know if anyone has talking about this but i'm not going throw over 150 pages to find out.

    Anyone else hate that cookie cutter, cliche, last 5 minuetes? God, way to take the lazy way out, because they managed to resolve all of the shows in depth issues, spaning over many season, into one little short sweet package. Those last 5 minuetes felt like the writing of 7th grade fan in a creative writing class. Don't yell at me, lol, just saying =]


    I don't agree, solely because it was purely Avatar. Any other show and I might have been disappointed. But it was just right for this particular one. I have absolutely no criticism to the finale other than the fact that I think Toph should've died.


    ;( you WANTED TOPH TO DIE!!!!!!! Omg, I'm gonna cry. Sokka and Toph bring the humor to the show and why would wish her to die?? What about that jerk Katara??

    It wasn't that I wanted Toph to die, but the part where Sokka almost let go of her was SO PERFECT. I love Toph, don't get me wrong, but I really do think someone should've died. It would've exemplified the ultimate sacrifice. I would be hysterically weeping, but I do think it would've been the icing on the cake.
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    Fronzel

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    wilddog2k8 wrote:
    What did you want her to do? Start controlling Azula and make her knock herself out?

    No, that would be pretty awful.

    I don't have anything specific in mind, it's just that the ending of "The Puppetmaster" made it seem like a really important thing that Katara had learned to bloodbend, and "The Southern Raiders" showed that she'd use it despite herself if she were angry enough, and then...nothing.

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