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so how people think zuko is considerd a firebending master

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    jakeman3025

    [101]Jun 17, 2008
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    it doesn't it just lead up too this debate.
    ok who do you consider to be firebending masters
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    suss2it

    [102]Jun 17, 2008
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    jakeman3025 wrote:
    it doesn't it just lead up too this debate.
    ok who do you consider to be firebending masters
    Iroh & Ozai for sure and maybe Azula. Also Combustion Man seems to have mastered the art of compressed heated energy.
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    jakeman3025

    [103]Jun 17, 2008
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    i see zuko and azula at at close to firebending power because iroh has really progressed zuko firebending capability's.
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    suss2it

    [104]Jun 17, 2008
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    jakeman3025 wrote:
    I see Zuko and Azula at at close to firebending power because Iroh has really progressed Zuko firebending capabilities.
    Of course during this time that Zuko has been training, Azula was sitting at home doing her nails.
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    jakeman3025

    [105]Jun 17, 2008
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    lol agreed
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    suss2it

    [106]Jun 17, 2008
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    It was fun debating but I have exams tomorrow so I'm out.
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    -TheSecondSign-

    [107]Jun 17, 2008
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    I'd say yeah, because Zhao was considered a master, and Zuko is now way more skilled than him.

    I think the creators use Azula or Iroh as a gauge for a firebending master, even though she can take like three master level benders at one time without any trouble.

    Compared to them, no, Zuko isn't that skilled. But compared to other "masters" of the series, he is easily at their level.

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    jakeman3025

    [108]Jun 23, 2008
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    TheSecondSign- you nailed it.
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    Kristy101

    [109]Jun 23, 2008
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    Well of course Zuko is a master, he was trained by his Uncle ever since he was a kid and we all know how powerful of a bender he and his uncle is. That and he is training the avatar.

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    jakeman3025

    [110]Jun 23, 2008
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    thank you Kristy101 some people dont seem to pay any attention to the purpose of zuko in this show
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    suss2it

    [111]Jun 23, 2008
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    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'd say yeah, because Zhao was considered a master, and Zuko is now way more skilled than him.

    I think the creators use Azula or Iroh as a gauge for a firebending master, even though she can take like three master level benders at one time without any trouble.

    Compared to them, no, Zuko isn't that skilled. But compared to other "masters" of the series, he is easily at their level.
    Based on the skill levels of Zhao than yes Zuko is a master. But based on other masters we've seen like most of his family and even Jeong Jeong, I wouldn't consider him a master.

    Kristy101 wrote:

    Well of course Zuko is a master, he was trained by his Uncle ever since he was a kid and we all know how powerful of a bender he and his uncle is. That and he is training the avatar.
    Being trained by a master doesn't make you a master.
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    CancerTheCrab

    [112]Jun 23, 2008
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    so yall people who are saying that zuko isnt a master, what do you believe makes a master?
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    -TheSecondSign-

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    suss2it wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'd say yeah, because Zhao was considered a master, and Zuko is now way more skilled than him.

    I think the creators use Azula or Iroh as a gauge for a firebending master, even though she can take like three master level benders at one time without any trouble.

    Compared to them, no, Zuko isn't that skilled. But compared to other "masters" of the series, he is easily at their level.
    Based on the skill levels of Zhao than yes Zuko is a master. But based on other masters we've seen like most of his family and even Jeong Jeong, I wouldn't consider him a master.
    Kristy101 wrote:

    Well of course Zuko is a master, he was trained by his Uncle ever since he was a kid and we all know how powerful of a bender he and his uncle is. That and he is training the avatar.
    Being trained by a master doesn't make you a master.

    But Zuko might be able to match Jeong Jeong now.

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    MaddoKos

    [114]Jun 23, 2008
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    I seriously doubt Zuko can match this:

    Plus, when Zuko tried to go up against Combustion Man, he got flicked out of the way like a pesky fly.

    Not saying Zuko's weak, but he definitely doesn't roll with the best of them...yet.

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    jakeman3025

    [115]Jun 23, 2008
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    he has three years of one on one experience with iroh so he might be able to beat jong jong.heres some of zuko most powerful firebending Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket
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    suss2it

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    jakeman3025 wrote:
    he has three years of one on one experience with iroh so he might be able to beat jong jong.heres some of zuko most powerful firebending Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket
    Don't make such crazy assumptions, yes he can best Zhao based on skills now, but definitely not Jeong Jeong. Even though JJ's views of firebending are distorted I still think he's a much better firebender than Zuko, and don't say but Zuko can re-direct lightning, because that would be useless against Jeong Jeong.
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    -TheSecondSign-

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    WOULD IT, though?


    Jeong Jeong may know how to use lightning, but felt that the people he fought required such skill level.

    In which case he would definitely be unstoppable.

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    MaddoKos

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    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    WOULD IT, though?


    Jeong Jeong may know how to use lightning, but felt that the people he fought required such skill level.

    In which case he would definitely be unstoppable.


    I don't see Jeong Jeong having the coldblooded nature that lightning bending requires.
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    -TheSecondSign-

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    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    WOULD IT, though?


    Jeong Jeong may know how to use lightning, but felt that the people he fought required such skill level.

    In which case he would definitely be unstoppable.
    I don't see Jeong Jeong having the coldblooded nature that lightning bending requires.

    But neither is Iroh (If I remember correctly he generated at least a little lightning to try and teach Zuko)

    It seems like you just have to be able to forceably detach emotion from battle.

    When someone is trying to kill you, you'd be suprised how cold and distant you can become, so the idea that you have to be completely insane or emotionless doesn't seem to hold up.

    I haven't seen the show in awhile though so I may be missing something.

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    MaddoKos

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    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    WOULD IT, though?


    Jeong Jeong may know how to use lightning, but felt that the people he fought required such skill level.

    In which case he would definitely be unstoppable.
    I don't see Jeong Jeong having the coldblooded nature that lightning bending requires.

    But neither is Iroh (If I remember correctly he generated at least a little lightning to try and teach Zuko)

    It seems like you just have to be able to forceably detach emotion from battle.

    When someone is trying to kill you, you'd be suprised how cold and distant you can become, so the idea that you have to be completely insane or emotionless doesn't seem to hold up.

    I haven't seen the show in awhile though so I may be missing something.
    But Iroh doesn't use it in battle, so he must not like to use it and/or he's not particularly adept at it.
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