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now that we saw Boiling Rock, what u think of Zutara?

it still has a strong chance
won't happen, Maizu/Maiko is too strong
can only happen if Mai dies, and I don't want Mai to die
can only happen if Mai dies, and I want Mai to die
Zuko will have someone not named Mai or Katara

WiseLad
[1]Apr 26, 2008
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lot of new events, here we try to talk about new implications of the ships in ATLA.

like the coming strong of George ship, and how BR probably affected the Zutara ship

now my position has changed

I can't see Zutara happen UNLESS Mai dies, and I don't like the idea of Bryke having Mai die, I now like her character strongly
Edited on 04/26/2008 4:38am
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Dawrel

[2]Apr 26, 2008

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WiseLad wrote:

lot of new events, here we try to talk about new implications of the ships in ATLA.

like the coming strong of George ship, and how BR probably affected the Zutara ship

now my position has changed

I can't see Zutara happen UNLESS Mai dies, and I don't like the idea of Bryke having Mai die, I now like her character strongly

pretty much agree with you

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AnimeAngel90

[3]Apr 26, 2008

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WiseLad wrote:

lot of new events, here we try to talk about new implications of the ships in ATLA.

like the coming strong of George ship, and how BR probably affected the Zutara ship

now my position has changed

I can't see Zutara happen UNLESS Mai dies, and I don't like the idea of Bryke having Mai die, I now like her character strongly

I think it depends on the next episode - yes, I admit that Maiko was pretty strong here (and much better than I thought it could be, lol), but as next episode seems to be Zuko's bonding episode with Katara (he's had one with everyone else), I still remain a zutarian. Hope is what my ship is based on, we ain't giving up yet!

And yes, I agree. Mai is now awesome. I hope she shows up again, hurting zutara chances or not. I don't want her to just disappear into prison or whatever. She should show up again, hopefully kicking some more FN ass

However, just to show what the rabids will say, Mai said that she and Zuko had broken up, meaning Maiko is over, continuing feelings or not. Also, we have no idea what she and Zuko spoke about - its obvious they both care about each other, but they could still have decided to break it off or whatever for some important reason *shrugs* Dunno, just tossing out some random bad defensive stuff

And George forever! Its so sweet! And Suki pwns all!

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Dawrel

[4]Apr 26, 2008

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AnimeAngel90 wrote:

WiseLad wrote:

lot of new events, here we try to talk about new implications of the ships in ATLA.

like the coming strong of George ship, and how BR probably affected the Zutara ship

now my position has changed

I can't see Zutara happen UNLESS Mai dies, and I don't like the idea of Bryke having Mai die, I now like her character strongly

I think it depends on the next episode - yes, I admit that Maiko was pretty strong here (and much better than I thought it could be, lol), but as next episode seems to be Zuko's bonding episode with Katara (he's had one with everyone else), I still remain a zutarian. Hope is what my ship is based on, we ain't giving up yet!

And yes, I agree. Mai is now awesome. I hope she shows up again, hurting zutara chances or not. I don't want her to just disappear into prison or whatever. She should show up again, hopefully kicking some more FN ass

However, just to show what the rabids will say, Mai said that she and Zuko had broken up, meaning Maiko is over, continuing feelings or not. Also, we have no idea what she and Zuko spoke about - its obvious they both care about each other, but they could still have decided to break it off or whatever for some important reason *shrugs* Dunno, just tossing out some random bad defensive stuff

And George forever! Its so sweet! And Suki pwns all!

yeah, but if they break up with continuing feelings those feelings would kinda prevent zutara, wouldn't they?

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ChaosCannon12
[5]Apr 26, 2008
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I did ship Maiko before TBR, but I wasn't that interested in the ship to be honest. But with this episode, I have suddenly become very interested in the ship, let's just hope Mai survives.
I actually expected a little more Sukka in TBR, but I'm fine with what I got. It didn't increase or decrease my love to the ship, only thing that happened is that it made me a little bit more sure about Sukka endgame.
Edited on 04/26/2008 4:36am
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Valin610

[6]Apr 26, 2008

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AnimeAngel90 wrote:

WiseLad wrote:

lot of new events, here we try to talk about new implications of the ships in ATLA.

like the coming strong of George ship, and how BR probably affected the Zutara ship

now my position has changed

I can't see Zutara happen UNLESS Mai dies, and I don't like the idea of Bryke having Mai die, I now like her character strongly

I think it depends on the next episode - yes, I admit that Maiko was pretty strong here (and much better than I thought it could be, lol), but as next episode seems to be Zuko's bonding episode with Katara (he's had one with everyone else), I still remain a zutarian. Hope is what my ship is based on, we ain't giving up yet!

And yes, I agree. Mai is now awesome. I hope she shows up again, hurting zutara chances or not. I don't want her to just disappear into prison or whatever. She should show up again, hopefully kicking some more FN ass

However, just to show what the rabids will say, Mai said that she and Zuko had broken up, meaning Maiko is over, continuing feelings or not. Also, we have no idea what she and Zuko spoke about - its obvious they both care about each other, but they could still have decided to break it off or whatever for some important reason *shrugs* Dunno, just tossing out some random bad defensive stuff

And George forever! Its so sweet! And Suki pwns all!

I wouldn't say their relationship is over. She might have said that line still out of bitterness to the note he left her. As we well know, Mai is a very sarcastic person, so she might feel saying something like that helps her coap with helping Zuko escape.

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AnimeAngel90

[7]Apr 26, 2008

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Valin610 wrote:

AnimeAngel90 wrote:

WiseLad wrote:

lot of new events, here we try to talk about new implications of the ships in ATLA.

like the coming strong of George ship, and how BR probably affected the Zutara ship

now my position has changed

I can't see Zutara happen UNLESS Mai dies, and I don't like the idea of Bryke having Mai die, I now like her character strongly

I think it depends on the next episode - yes, I admit that Maiko was pretty strong here (and much better than I thought it could be, lol), but as next episode seems to be Zuko's bonding episode with Katara (he's had one with everyone else), I still remain a zutarian. Hope is what my ship is based on, we ain't giving up yet!

And yes, I agree. Mai is now awesome. I hope she shows up again, hurting zutara chances or not. I don't want her to just disappear into prison or whatever. She should show up again, hopefully kicking some more FN ass

However, just to show what the rabids will say, Mai said that she and Zuko had broken up, meaning Maiko is over, continuing feelings or not. Also, we have no idea what she and Zuko spoke about - its obvious they both care about each other, but they could still have decided to break it off or whatever for some important reason *shrugs* Dunno, just tossing out some random bad defensive stuff

And George forever! Its so sweet! And Suki pwns all!

I wouldn't say their relationship is over. She might have said that line still out of bitterness to the note he left her. As we well know, Mai is a very sarcastic person, so she might feel saying something like that helps her coap with helping Zuko escape.

hey, leave me to my blind zutarian bias

Back to the "break-up preventing zutara" thing, technically, it doesn't have to. Maybe Zuko broke it off because he realised Mai's not the girl for him - his feelings aren't the same as hers or whatever. He can still care about her, but he might not necessarily love her.

Oh, why am I posting in this thread? I should just go back to the spoiler topic and exclaim over all the action in this episode. So beats the shipping, lol (plus, i'm kinda fighting a losing battle here with the little material we have

)

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Phyrra

[8]Apr 26, 2008

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Dawrel wrote:

AnimeAngel90 wrote:

WiseLad wrote:

lot of new events, here we try to talk about new implications of the ships in ATLA.

like the coming strong of George ship, and how BR probably affected the Zutara ship

now my position has changed

I can't see Zutara happen UNLESS Mai dies, and I don't like the idea of Bryke having Mai die, I now like her character strongly

I think it depends on the next episode - yes, I admit that Maiko was pretty strong here (and much better than I thought it could be, lol), but as next episode seems to be Zuko's bonding episode with Katara (he's had one with everyone else), I still remain a zutarian. Hope is what my ship is based on, we ain't giving up yet!

And yes, I agree. Mai is now awesome. I hope she shows up again, hurting zutara chances or not. I don't want her to just disappear into prison or whatever. She should show up again, hopefully kicking some more FN ass

However, just to show what the rabids will say, Mai said that she and Zuko had broken up, meaning Maiko is over, continuing feelings or not. Also, we have no idea what she and Zuko spoke about - its obvious they both care about each other, but they could still have decided to break it off or whatever for some important reason *shrugs* Dunno, just tossing out some random bad defensive stuff

And George forever! Its so sweet! And Suki pwns all!

yeah, but if they break up with continuing feelings those feelings would kinda prevent zutara, wouldn't they?

That's how'd I'd look at it. I don't think Zuko thinks about her as much as her to him. That's most likely to change, considering she risked her friendship and even life to rescue him- however, we haven't gotten much input until this episode.

It sounded like what Zuko did was equivilant to a 'text message break-up.' Even Mai agrees with that. Obviously, they still care for one another, so we cannot claim Maiko out of the picture because of the 'break-up.'

I still like Zutara better than Maiko (notice I didn't say Kataang- I'm still neutral when it comes to those two)...for reasons that don't seem so reasonable at first; rest assured, I have my reasons. However, I didn't care for the Maiko relationship, as I thought it was just dragging Zuko into his old life that he wanted to much and driving him away from what his real destination was. Thankfully, it hadn't shattered his decision in BR...which made me look at it differently and form it to my second favorie Zuko-ship.

Which is a grand improvement.

I've always, always, always liked Mai, though. Relationship or not.

As for Zuko, to be honest, even with everything happening to him, and he does need someone to care and love him presently, I've wanted him to be single.

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Valin610

[9]Apr 26, 2008

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AnimeAngel90 wrote:

Valin610 wrote:

AnimeAngel90 wrote:

WiseLad wrote:

lot of new events, here we try to talk about new implications of the ships in ATLA.

like the coming strong of George ship, and how BR probably affected the Zutara ship

now my position has changed

I can't see Zutara happen UNLESS Mai dies, and I don't like the idea of Bryke having Mai die, I now like her character strongly

I think it depends on the next episode - yes, I admit that Maiko was pretty strong here (and much better than I thought it could be, lol), but as next episode seems to be Zuko's bonding episode with Katara (he's had one with everyone else), I still remain a zutarian. Hope is what my ship is based on, we ain't giving up yet!

And yes, I agree. Mai is now awesome. I hope she shows up again, hurting zutara chances or not. I don't want her to just disappear into prison or whatever. She should show up again, hopefully kicking some more FN ass

However, just to show what the rabids will say, Mai said that she and Zuko had broken up, meaning Maiko is over, continuing feelings or not. Also, we have no idea what she and Zuko spoke about - its obvious they both care about each other, but they could still have decided to break it off or whatever for some important reason *shrugs* Dunno, just tossing out some random bad defensive stuff

And George forever! Its so sweet! And Suki pwns all!

I wouldn't say their relationship is over. She might have said that line still out of bitterness to the note he left her. As we well know, Mai is a very sarcastic person, so she might feel saying something like that helps her coap with helping Zuko escape.

hey, leave me to my blind zutarian bias

Back to the "break-up preventing zutara" thing, technically, it doesn't have to. Maybe Zuko broke it off because he realised Mai's not the girl for him - his feelings aren't the same as hers or whatever. He can still care about her, but he might not necessarily love her.

Oh, why am I posting in this thread? I should just go back to the spoiler topic and exclaim over all the action in this episode. So beats the shipping, lol (plus, i'm kinda fighting a losing battle here with the little material we have

)

Don't worry, I'm expecting a lot of Zutarian theories to be made once 316 is aired. I'll try and be prepared for what's coming, but as of right now, I'm going to shove Maiko down the necks of Zutarians.

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AnimeAngel90

[10]Apr 26, 2008

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Valin610 wrote:

AnimeAngel90 wrote:

Valin610 wrote:

AnimeAngel90 wrote:

WiseLad wrote:

lot of new events, here we try to talk about new implications of the ships in ATLA.

like the coming strong of George ship, and how BR probably affected the Zutara ship

now my position has changed

I can't see Zutara happen UNLESS Mai dies, and I don't like the idea of Bryke having Mai die, I now like her character strongly

I think it depends on the next episode - yes, I admit that Maiko was pretty strong here (and much better than I thought it could be, lol), but as next episode seems to be Zuko's bonding episode with Katara (he's had one with everyone else), I still remain a zutarian. Hope is what my ship is based on, we ain't giving up yet!

And yes, I agree. Mai is now awesome. I hope she shows up again, hurting zutara chances or not. I don't want her to just disappear into prison or whatever. She should show up again, hopefully kicking some more FN ass

However, just to show what the rabids will say, Mai said that she and Zuko had broken up, meaning Maiko is over, continuing feelings or not. Also, we have no idea what she and Zuko spoke about - its obvious they both care about each other, but they could still have decided to break it off or whatever for some important reason *shrugs* Dunno, just tossing out some random bad defensive stuff

And George forever! Its so sweet! And Suki pwns all!

I wouldn't say their relationship is over. She might have said that line still out of bitterness to the note he left her. As we well know, Mai is a very sarcastic person, so she might feel saying something like that helps her coap with helping Zuko escape.

hey, leave me to my blind zutarian bias

Back to the "break-up preventing zutara" thing, technically, it doesn't have to. Maybe Zuko broke it off because he realised Mai's not the girl for him - his feelings aren't the same as hers or whatever. He can still care about her, but he might not necessarily love her. Oh, why am I posting in this thread? I should just go back to the spoiler topic and exclaim over all the action in this episode. So beats the shipping, lol (plus, i'm kinda fighting a losing battle here with the little material we have

)

Don't worry, I'm expecting a lot of Zutarian theories to be made once 316 is aired. I'll try and be prepared for what's coming, but as of right now, I'm going to shove Maiko down the necks of Zutarians.

Lol, take your chance while you can!

Seriously, I don't begrudge you guys this though - after all our theories saying BR would kill Maiko......seriously, do Bryke just leave everything open-ended, or is that just me? They torture us in every way then can, both in shipping and in general plots. They are evil!

EDIT: Hey, where did the rest of my post go? Oh well, here it is again. Because Mai is in jail, Zuko seemed quite willing to leave her behind and whatnot, and because I severely doubt she'll be rescued, I'm saying Maiko is dead. Romance doesn't seem to be there on Zuko's side, and I'm saying its dead

Watch me clutch at straws until July/when 316 airs. it will be amusing for the non-zutarians, thats for sure, lol.

Edited on 04/26/2008 4:58am

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Valin610

[11]Apr 26, 2008

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AnimeAngel90 wrote:

Valin610 wrote:

AnimeAngel90 wrote:

Valin610 wrote:

AnimeAngel90 wrote:

WiseLad wrote:

lot of new events, here we try to talk about new implications of the ships in ATLA.

like the coming strong of George ship, and how BR probably affected the Zutara ship

now my position has changed

I can't see Zutara happen UNLESS Mai dies, and I don't like the idea of Bryke having Mai die, I now like her character strongly

I think it depends on the next episode - yes, I admit that Maiko was pretty strong here (and much better than I thought it could be, lol), but as next episode seems to be Zuko's bonding episode with Katara (he's had one with everyone else), I still remain a zutarian. Hope is what my ship is based on, we ain't giving up yet!

And yes, I agree. Mai is now awesome. I hope she shows up again, hurting zutara chances or not. I don't want her to just disappear into prison or whatever. She should show up again, hopefully kicking some more FN ass

However, just to show what the rabids will say, Mai said that she and Zuko had broken up, meaning Maiko is over, continuing feelings or not. Also, we have no idea what she and Zuko spoke about - its obvious they both care about each other, but they could still have decided to break it off or whatever for some important reason *shrugs* Dunno, just tossing out some random bad defensive stuff

And George forever! Its so sweet! And Suki pwns all!

I wouldn't say their relationship is over. She might have said that line still out of bitterness to the note he left her. As we well know, Mai is a very sarcastic person, so she might feel saying something like that helps her coap with helping Zuko escape.

hey, leave me to my blind zutarian bias

Back to the "break-up preventing zutara" thing, technically, it doesn't have to. Maybe Zuko broke it off because he realised Mai's not the girl for him - his feelings aren't the same as hers or whatever. He can still care about her, but he might not necessarily love her. Oh, why am I posting in this thread? I should just go back to the spoiler topic and exclaim over all the action in this episode. So beats the shipping, lol (plus, i'm kinda fighting a losing battle here with the little material we have

)

Don't worry, I'm expecting a lot of Zutarian theories to be made once 316 is aired. I'll try and be prepared for what's coming, but as of right now, I'm going to shove Maiko down the necks of Zutarians.

Lol, take your chance while you can!

Seriously, I don't begrudge you guys this though - after all our theories saying BR would kill Maiko......seriously, do Bryke just leave everything open-ended, or is that just me? They torture us in every way then can, both in shipping and in general plots. They are evil!

EDIT: Hey, where did the rest of my post go? Oh well, here it is again. Because Mai is in jail, Zuko seemed quite willing to leave her behind and whatnot, and because I severely doubt she'll be rescued, I'm saying Maiko is dead. Romance doesn't seem to be there on Zuko's side, and I'm saying its dead

Watch me clutch at straws until July/when 316 airs. it will be amusing for the non-zutarians, thats for sure, lol.

Haha, yeah, 316 is going to be an interesting day for me. I'm more a Katara fan than a Kataanger, so I probably wont be against most of the things Zutarians will say. I might correct a few things said, like "the reason she did ____ was her natural way of life, not because she's falling for Zuko." or something along those lines.

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SgtHydra
[12]Apr 26, 2008
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MAI MUST DIE!
MAI MUST DIE!
MAI MUST DIE!
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tomtitan
[13]Apr 26, 2008
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SgtHydra wrote:

MAI MUST DIE!
MAI MUST DIE!
MAI MUST DIE!
She messed with Azula, that's a strong possibility.
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EarthbendingRox
[14]Apr 26, 2008
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Random question, but what/who is George?
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avataraang4
[15]Apr 26, 2008
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tomtitan wrote:

SgtHydra wrote:

MAI MUST DIE!
MAI MUST DIE!
MAI MUST DIE!
She messed with Azula, that's a strong possibility.

Mai shouldn't die her and ty lee should escape and go to the Gaang
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avataraang4

[17]Apr 26, 2008

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SgtHydra wrote:

avataraang4 wrote:

tomtitan wrote:

SgtHydra wrote:

MAI MUST DIE!
MAI MUST DIE!
MAI MUST DIE!

She messed with Azula, that's a strong possibility.

Mai shouldn't die her and ty lee should escape and go to the Gaang

YOU MUST DIE!

MAI MUST DIE!

NEVER Mai wont die

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Valin610
[18]Apr 26, 2008
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EarthbendingRox wrote:

Random question, but what/who is George?

George = Sokka + Suki.

People thought Sukka and Soki sounded too much like their real names, thus George was formed.
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aj2720
[19]Apr 26, 2008
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In the end of The Southern Raider's AKA 316 we will see the famous Zutura hug! and I'll bet that hug dosn't have any feelings involved!
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spade749
[20]Apr 26, 2008
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If this story takes the cliche road, like I'm sadly expecting, Aang defeats the Firelord, Iroh and Zuko's Mother (I forget her name) reclaim their titles, Zuko and Mai get back together (I suppose I'm not as opposed to it as I was after TBR, still being a Zutaran though), Aand and Katara deepen their relationship (I'm not expecting an all-out I love you) and the team rides off into the sunset kinda-ending. However I'm hoping this story doesn't follow the cliche. While Mai did profess to loving Zuko, I get the feeling their relationship might be over ( from the way she said she's saving the jerk who dumped her). Still, I don't imagine seeing her again until the end, and I also don't imagine them getting back together (honestly I having trouble imagining Mai and Ty-Lee reappearing anymore than as a foot-note in the story, given the sense of finality on their parts at the end of TBR). As for what's going to happen between Zuko and Katara, I hate to admit it, but that's still up in the air (I'm going to hunt down Mike and Bryan if all they showed at NYCC was a trick to eventually piss off Zutarans...). Has she forgiven him? Honestly, from the way she's been letting him hand around Aang and everyone else, it's almost like she's forgotten her threat, which confuses me more than relieves me. Still, I can imagine their relationship blooming (And yes, I base that solely on the hug scene, which in my opinion was too deep for being simply friendly, though we really don't know enough about the situation to say yet). One scenario that I can imagine is that they do fall for eachother ( all possible Zutara moments considered), and Aang finds out about it and gets really mad (which is something I felt he was when I watched the trailer, with the whole angry-looks, giant-fireball, attacking everything display). Still, that would have to be after The Ember Island Players, and I'm not sure if there is anything after that beyond the finale. So, as much as I hate to admit it, everything remains up in the air... SUX! Damn you Mike and Bryan!
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