Join

We're moving Forums to the Community pages. Click here for more information and updates.

Avatar: The Last Airbender Forums

Nickelodeon (ended 2008)

Official Discussion: The Guru/The Crossroads of Destiny (12/1 - Spoilers)

  • Avatar of Nalesnik

    Nalesnik

    [1141]Dec 15, 2006
    • member since: 11/25/06
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 917
    adidaZuko wrote:

    Nalesnik wrote:
    DeathandDoom wrote:
    Katara can't bend water when she doesn't know it's there at all - and Katara was captured while Azula was still undercover, they couldn't have stuck her in a public cell that the earth king had access to.
    ZOMG, you just solved the plothole!! They couldn't stick Katara in a cell, cause the military guards would be like: "WTF, why are u locking up Katara?" And then Azula's plan falls apart. Same with Zuko. Underground is the best prison, cause only earthbenders have access to it. And maybe only the dai lee knew about the crystal catacombs. Wow, that plothole was really starting to tick me off, thanks for clearing it up.

    But then why would they stick Zuko down there? If he was in a normal cell, nothing would be said about it, no one would even know him. But of course they had to put him down there, first of all so zutarians could have their moment, I mean come on, the story could have still gone on if that part hadn't have happened, second, no, that's pretty much it, but they could have also used bringing up the oasis water as an excuse, but she still could have healed him without getting Zuko's hopes up for nothing. Then again...you know what, I don't even care and I'm not going to sit here and contradict myself for the next hour. Sorry if this opened up the plot hole.


    I suppose if you were an EK prison guard, you would think nothing of a couple of Dai Lee agents dragging one of the finest teamakers into prison. Nope, you would think that's perfectly normal, and not question it at all. ;D
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of LittleHobbit13

    LittleHobbit13

    [1142]Dec 15, 2006
    • member since: 06/15/05
    • level: 17
    • rank: The Crazy Neighbor
    • posts: 100

    adidaZuko wrote:
    But then why would they stick Zuko down there? If he was in a normal cell, nothing would be said about it, no one would even know him.
    That's not so true.?? They probably put him down there for the same reason several people have claimed they put Katara down there instead of in a normal cell.?? In a normal cell, word might have gotten back to the Earth King about a fire bender being in the city, and that may have??potentially threatened Azula's cover to the Earth King.

    Also, as a person in favor of the "Aang did not die" idea:
    A) If Aang really did die, then the Avatar line could potentially have ended.?? However, because he came back to life, it is no longer a 100% certainty.?? Granted, Roku did only say "If you die in the Avatar State".?? He didn't say anything about coming back to life, but then, he probably didn't foresee revival.?? There is still a chance that he will not be the last Avatar.?? I mean, the Avatar line didn't always have that power behind it.?? There had to be a "first" Avatar at some point, right??? Even if this particular line has ended, maybe there will be another Avatar anyways.?? ^_^
    B) I'm not a regular-regular to this Avatar forum, so I can't say that I've seen many other of your source-feeds, PoolDude.?? Nor do I understand the conditions under which you obtain these tidbits.?? However, since you cannot label your source, I cannot accept this without question.????I'm not saying this out of a stubborn-ness to keep my own idea alive.?? I am not doubting the validity of your source, I just cannot accept it without all the information.?? Until they confirm it in the show or I hear about it from the creators/writers, I will not completely disown my own idea just yet.

    And once again, I'm willing to take on all debate against my opinion.?? Also, because I'm sitting here watching Avatar reruns to kill time, does anyone else find it entertaining that when Katara went to the tea??house with Momo, she asked for "a table for two"??? I thought it was funny.

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Eman5805

    Eman5805

    [1143]Dec 15, 2006
    • member since: 11/05/04
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 5,943

    Proceed with caution:


    ***SPOILER***


    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of obsessedchic1

    obsessedchic1

    [1144]Dec 15, 2006
    • member since: 09/24/06
    • level: 10
    • rank: Holy Level 10!
    • posts: 2,981
    [QUOTE="adidaZuko"]?? Also, because I'm sitting here watching Avatar reruns to kill time, does anyone else find it entertaining that when Katara went to the tea??house with Momo, she asked for "a table for two"??? I thought it was funny.

    I was cracking up at that too.

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Nalesnik

    Nalesnik

    [1145]Dec 15, 2006
    • member since: 11/25/06
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 917
    Eman5805 wrote:

    Proceed with caution:


    ***SPOILER***


    Hehe, I actually didn't want to read the spoiler, but who could resist the call of a clickable link. No one! That's who! But luckily it wasn't much of a spoiler since I already knew that. I also didn't know we could do that on here. That's cool.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Eman5805

    Eman5805

    [1146]Dec 15, 2006
    • member since: 11/05/04
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 5,943
    Nalesnik wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:

    Proceed with caution:


    ***SPOILER***
    Hehe, I actually didn't want to read the spoiler, but who could resist the call of a clickable link. No one! That's who! But luckily it wasn't much of a spoiler since I already knew that. I also didn't know we could do that on here. That's cool.

    Yeah that's what I was tryin' out...to see if it worked or not...and what do ya know it was a success now move along nothing here...

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of adidaZuko

    adidaZuko

    [1147]Dec 16, 2006
    • member since: 09/03/06
    • level: 7
    • rank: Talk Show Host
    • posts: 440
    LittleHobbit13 wrote:

    adidaZuko wrote:
    But then why would they stick Zuko down there? If he was in a normal cell, nothing would be said about it, no one would even know him.
    That's not so true.?? They probably put him down there for the same reason several people have claimed they put Katara down there instead of in a normal cell.?? In a normal cell, word might have gotten back to the Earth King about a fire bender being in the city, and that may have??potentially threatened Azula's cover to the Earth King.

    THIS IS A REPLY, JUST IN CASE IT MESSES UP AGAIN:

    That's not necessarily true. The Earth King, might have found out about Firebenders being in the city but what would that really matter for Azula. I'm sure he wouldn't trust Zuko because he would KNOW he's the Firebender and would still think that Azula is the Kyoshi Warrior. She's an amazing liar, there's no way her cover would be blown unless of course he saw her firebending. Besides, in a way,??I doubt she would care if the Earth King knew. What could he really do? After all, SHE was in control of the Di Lee and the King himself can't do anything, he doesn't even have any life experience, he's never even left the palace, I doubt he would fight her, that would've ended horribly anyway. The avatar and his friends weren't around, and he wouldn't have been able to get the council of five right away. They were all in different places and they didn't exactly have cell phones, the worst he could do is sick the bear on them.

    As for what Nalesnik (sorry if i didn't spell it right) said, Zuko ISN'T??the finest tea maker, Iroh is, and he had??already gotten away??and??Zuko was already suspected as being a firebender and this time they witnessed him bend. The Earh??King had probably never even heard of Iroh, he lives inside the walls of the palace, I doubt trivial??information like that was going to reach him. Azula was??the one who sent the message, not him.??So what would it matter to him that a Firebending tea maker was in the city. Besides, like i said before, the King himself couldn't do anything, he has no control; if he threatened Azula's coup d'etat??whatsoever, they'd just get rid of him, it wouldn't exactly be hard.
    Edited on 12/16/2006 10:11am
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of aa_623

    aa_623

    [1148]Dec 16, 2006
    • member since: 06/13/05
    • level: 17
    • rank: The Crazy Neighbor
    • posts: 2,150
    I don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but if Toph can bend metal, then she could porbably could bend glass if they have glass in their world...
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of obsessedchic1

    obsessedchic1

    [1149]Dec 16, 2006
    • member since: 09/24/06
    • level: 10
    • rank: Holy Level 10!
    • posts: 2,981
    i know, isn't Toph the coolest??
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of NBCisNUMBER4

    NBCisNUMBER4

    [1150]Dec 16, 2006
    • member since: 07/12/06
    • level: 10
    • rank: Holy Level 10!
    • posts: 117

    aa_623 wrote:
    I don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but if Toph can bend metal, then she could porbably could bend glass if they have glass in their world...

    well ionno....is there rock in glass?....

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of aa_623

    aa_623

    [1151]Dec 17, 2006
    • member since: 06/13/05
    • level: 17
    • rank: The Crazy Neighbor
    • posts: 2,150
    NBCisNUMBER4 wrote:

    aa_623 wrote:
    I don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but if Toph can bend metal, then she could porbably could bend glass if they have glass in their world...

    well ionno....is there rock in glass?....

    Um, glass is sand heated up...
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of obsessedchic1

    obsessedchic1

    [1152]Dec 17, 2006
    • member since: 09/24/06
    • level: 10
    • rank: Holy Level 10!
    • posts: 2,981
    so she will have to learn to sandbend in order to bend glass.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of PrincessAura

    PrincessAura

    [1153]Dec 17, 2006
    • member since: 12/18/04
    • level: 4
    • rank: Thighmaster
    • posts: 298
    She already can sandbend. She just doesn't do it in any creative way because she's not familiar with it.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of obsessedchic1

    obsessedchic1

    [1154]Dec 17, 2006
    • member since: 09/24/06
    • level: 10
    • rank: Holy Level 10!
    • posts: 2,981
    well it's true. She always knew how to metalbend, but she never really bothered learning about it.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of DygitalNinja

    DygitalNinja

    [1155]Dec 17, 2006
    • member since: 08/10/06
    • level: 11
    • rank: Red Shirted Lt.
    • posts: 488
    PrincessAura wrote:
    DeathandDoom wrote:
    PrincessAura wrote:
    DygitalNinja wrote:
    alright

    I'm not sure if anyone else has said this but

    Katara had to be aware of Zuko and Iroh being banished from the FN -they help them against Zhao at the north pole which was treason AND. Gosh they even fought along side GAang against Azula , Azula even referred to them as traitors...(also even though she doesn't know it Zuko also saved them from the Dai Li)

    so why did she claim that the FN and infiltrated the city when she saw them

    ...she also theories that Zuko's presence in prison with her was a FN trap

    what all year she didn't see a single Zuko wanted poster?

    I honestly never thought about that since it was a plot hole for both of them to be down there in the first place. Zuko maybe if Azula actually planned on talking to him but Katara?, in a place with access to water? That almost screams plot hole. So does what your talking about.


    There was no plot hole. There may have been water in the main city, but Katara was nowhere near that place, and therefore was nowhere near a source of water.

    And now I'm going on a small rant here:

    People have mentioned before that Katara was winning because she's a waterbender, and water has an advantage over fire.

    These people are wrong.

    It has been repeatedly shown that there are no inherit advantages or disadvantages in the bending arts. The Air Nomads were wiped out because of the Fire Nation's superior numbers and Sozin's Comet, NOT because fire does 20% more damage to Airbenders than any other element.

    I realize that there are many series, such as Naruto, that have a hierarchy of elemental powers, with one being weak against the other. Avatar is not one of these series. Katara had the upper hand against Azula because that's how strong and skilled she has gotten, not because she had an advantage with water. If this was true, the Water Tribes would have trounced the Fire Nation a long time ago, as they wielded the stronger element.

    I have to disagree about the plothole part. Yes she didn't have immediate access to it but any skilled water bender can bend water they can't see, and they should've been aware that Katara might have been able to make her way to the water anyway. Even ignoring that since those could go either way, They had metal cells to lock Sokka, Toph, and the Earth King up. It makes absolutely no sense to lock those people away but dump Katara in an abandoned cave. Not to mention the fact that Katara was actually chained up in Aang's vision of her, why would they chain her up and then un-restrict her mobility just to put her in a cave?


    It would make even less since to lock Toph ,Sokka and Katara all in the same place...you know where they could organize some sort of plan

    the Cave Katara was in didn't have any water in it , the river was in the next room...and if she did have some water , what was she gonna do? Soke the Crystals away, the only way in and out of those caves was through EARTHBENDING

    plus the plot hole I was complaining about was that Katara assumed that the FN and inflitrated the city based on seeing Zuko and Iroh who she had to know had been banished....Zuko HAD been of the "I must capture the Avatar to restore my honor" kick for a while

    it was only a few episodes ago that they helped Gaang fight Ozai's angels
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of LittleHobbit13

    LittleHobbit13

    [1156]Dec 18, 2006
    • member since: 06/15/05
    • level: 17
    • rank: The Crazy Neighbor
    • posts: 100
    obsessedchic1 wrote:
    i know, isn't Toph the coolest??
    Yeah.?? Makes me really wonder why they??used Haru??in the Avatar video game instead of Toph.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of CyprisFire

    CyprisFire

    [1157]Dec 18, 2006
    • member since: 12/02/06
    • level: 1
    • rank: Weatherman
    • posts: 44
    LittleHobbit13 wrote:
    obsessedchic1 wrote:
    i know, isn't Toph the coolest??
    Yeah.?? Makes me really wonder why they used Haru in the Avatar video game instead of Toph.


    it might have to do with the fact that she is blind, and animating the whole world with vibration wavelengths the way she 'sees' might have been a little much for the deadline.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of NBCisNUMBER4

    NBCisNUMBER4

    [1158]Dec 18, 2006
    • member since: 07/12/06
    • level: 10
    • rank: Holy Level 10!
    • posts: 117
    aa_623 wrote:
    NBCisNUMBER4 wrote:

    aa_623 wrote:
    I don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but if Toph can bend metal, then she could porbably could bend glass if they have glass in their world...

    well ionno....is there rock in glass?....
    Um, glass is sand heated up...

    haha i knew that.....haha....i do that a lot...ALOT.....

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of carmellaina

    carmellaina

    [1159]Dec 18, 2006
    • member since: 11/05/06
    • level: 10
    • rank: Holy Level 10!
    • posts: 1,801
    CyprisFire wrote:
    LittleHobbit13 wrote:
    obsessedchic1 wrote:
    i know, isn't Toph the coolest??
    Yeah. Makes me really wonder why they used Haru in the Avatar video game instead of Toph.


    it might have to do with the fact that she is blind, and animating the whole world with vibration wavelengths the way she 'sees' might have been a little much for the deadline.

    pshh.
    with all the technology
    nowadays
    that shouldn't matter.
    cheapos. goshh
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of LittleHobbit13

    LittleHobbit13

    [1160]Dec 18, 2006
    • member since: 06/15/05
    • level: 17
    • rank: The Crazy Neighbor
    • posts: 100
    carmellaina wrote:
    CyprisFire wrote:
    LittleHobbit13 wrote:
    obsessedchic1 wrote:
    i know, isn't Toph the coolest??
    Yeah. Makes me really wonder why they used Haru in the Avatar video game instead of Toph.


    it might have to do with the fact that she is blind, and animating the whole world with vibration wavelengths the way she 'sees' might have been a little much for the deadline.
    pshh. with all the technology nowadays that shouldn't matter. cheapos. goshh
    Besides, it's not like the game is only viewed through 1st person.?????? As I've seen it, the player view is an aerial above the character.?? So basically, Toph being blind really wouldn't matter.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
Shows | Movies | Web | People | News | Videos | Community
Listings | Photos | Forums | Closed Captioning | Rating Guidelines
CBS Entertainment About CBS Interactive | About TV.com | Contact Us | Jobs | Advertise
© 2016 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. TV Guide Digital Network | Privacy Policy | Ad Choice | Terms of Use