-- ='s separation
+ ='s my current response

I'm only going to respond to a few for lack of time.
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Spacerac wrote:
Katara didn't smile after the kiss because they were in the middle of a war. Either one of them could've died and never saw each other again.
daveshanFromGMU-So she couldn't spare three seconds to smile?
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Smiling at all wouldn't have made any sense. The purpose of that scene was for it to be a confession of love but with a somber tone, and it pulled it off.
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Spacerac wrote:
There's also how for the first half of season 3, she almost looked just like his mom.
daveshanFromGMU-However, Zuko never saw her dressed like that, so that doesn't matter.
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Oh yes it does. I could turn around and say Katara never saw herself as anyone's mother.
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Katara seems to understand that's why Aang kissed her when he did.
daveshanFromGMU-Let me get this straight. Katara thinks that the only reason Aang kissed her was because he may never see her again and not because he loves her?
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Nuh uh, it was both and she knows it. Maybe she doesn't love him yet, but probably only because she's still sorting out her feelings. It still doesn't equal Zutara.
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Spacerac wrote:
What proof is there that Mai has a schoolyard crush on Zuko? You could basically say the same for Zuko towards Mai, as in the comic that sets up Maiko, he basically confirms they like each other as kids. There's no way Mai just has a "schoolyard crush" on Zuko because you can see whenever she's with him she listens (after learning better from her epic fail in The Awakening) intently to him and supports him. She lets him rest at her house, comforts him and makes tea for him. The problems between Mai and Zuko in that episode had nothing to do with what they had or didn't have in common, it was about Zuko pushing Mai to express herself and Mai telling Zuko that his messed up past isn't an excuse for being a jerk.
daveshanFromGMU-You misunderstood. Mai is deeply in love with Zuko, but Zuko only has/had a schoolyard crush on Mai. If Zuko was as in love with Mai as she was with him this whole time, how come we didn't see him have any memories of just him and her during "Zuko Alone"? Or at any other time for that matter. Plus, we only saw Mai having feelings for Zuko when they were little kiddies. Does the phrase "Girls are crazy!" ring any bells?
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When he said "Girls are crazy" he was just upset at Azula at the time. It doesn't mean he didn't have feelings for Mai. Also, flashbacks of memories of Mai aren't all that important to Zuko's main storyline, realizing his destiny. Mai is just there to help him along that path, though she may not realize that's what she had been doing.
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Spacerac wrote:
If anything, the one positive interaction that Zuko and Katara had was Katara being Zuko's mother by offering to heal his boo-boo to make his life all better
daveshanFromGMU wrote:Except for one minor detail. While, I'll concede, she may have been in "mother mode" during CoD, he is clearly out of Katara's "people that I need to act like a mother towards" circle. While he may be in worse position in terms of how Katara sees him now, he is also in a position where her opinion of him can only go up. Unlike Aang's position, which, after a year or so of being in "mother-zone" seems pretty locked there.

Spacerac wrote:So her opinion of Zuko can only go up and yet she will only see Aang as her son? Double standard if I ever saw one.
daveshanFromGMU wrote:It's not a double standard at all. Katara's opinion about Zuko has been like this for the past year: Enemy - brief ally against Azula ("The Chase") - Enemy (Part 1 of CoD) - Some positive role whose specifics are debatable but still a positive roll - Enemy - Ally that she doesn't like.

Meanwhile, her feelings for Aang have been: Friend that represents the hope of the world.

Her opinion about Zuko keeps changing. Her opinion about Aang has stayed the same and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
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Those first opinion were in battle and Katara probably didn't notice or care that Zuko also attacked Azula. She offered to help his Uncle, but Iroh never really did anything to anyone. Katara will always think that way of Aang but in the future of the show she'll come to see him as something more than a friend.
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Spacerac wrote:
That moment in The Fortuneteller where she gets the idea that Aang could be the one for her either went past you or is not important to you (unless, of course, it were Zuko). At any rate, I highly doubt she'd see someone she passionately kissed back as her son.
daveshanFromGMU wrote:No, it didn't get past me, just like the moment where the fortuneteller said that she didn't see anything about love in Aang future didn't get by me either. Also, she didn't passionately kiss him back. She just stayed there kissing him.
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"She just stayed there kissing him." ... with her eyes closed and lips still puckered after Aang pulled out, yeah...

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Spacerac wrote:
Also, if she didn't like the kiss, she wouldn't still be so comfortable around Aang. The show makes it a point of showing that at the end of that same episode when Katara comforts Aang. How much was a kiss going to do? He turned away from her, he didn't want her to see him crying and she probably felt that was not the time to kiss him. Although it'd be better to say that narratively it was not the time to kiss him. Not much needs to change between Aang and Katara. Katara just comforting Aang is enough for the both of them.
daveshanFromGMU wrote:So, you're saying that she liked the kiss, but it didn't really mean anything to her because she thought he did it because they may never see each other again and it was just a very big thank you. Is that right?
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It was both and she knows it. Katara should know now that Aang is in love with her.

dave "seems a noob" with howdy doody as his icon, can you change it to something different?

there is a huge difference between

"I like Zutara, it brings more dynamism to things, and I am hoping that the writers will guide things toward a zutarian ending, they have to settle what Katara feels about Aang, and to put the seeds of a relationship between her and Zuko, and Zuko has to somehow close his relationship with Mai, so that he will see katara as part of his future"

and

"I know Katara has no romantic feelings toward Aang, and Zuko has no feelings for Mai, she is only someone to make out with; there is no chance whatsoever that kataang will happen"

I don't got any problem whatsoever with Zutarians(or kataangers with a similar style for the other ship) going with the first option or similar; another thing is someone coming across as certain, like if they were part of the Avatar writing team(this goes to BOTH hardcore Zutarians and hardcore Kataangers), and that is the way you coming across

I keep neutral but u know Katara could be sad that it was the (Probable) last time they saw each other n that feeling overran her happiness...Still just a theory like my Zuko doesn't love Mai THAT much theory...but I thought it was nice to tell.
She maybe happy about it but remembered the casualties of war n then found herself unable to smile

(this new symbol format I made up sure is faster )
+From Spacerac (1st time)

*From daveshanFromGMU

xFrom Spacerac (current)

+Smiling at all wouldn't have made any sense. The purpose of that scene was for it to be a confession of love but with a somber tone, and it pulled it off.

*I don't care what kind of tone it was supposed to be in. If a girl was secretly in love with a guy for about a year and he suddenly kissed her, she would smile. She may turn her eyes down afterwards because of the situation, but she would smile.

x We're never coming to a concession on this one are we? Katara wasn't in love with Aang in all of Season 1, she didn't even like him. (Though in Chapter 14 onwards she thought about it). Maybe she's the kind of person that doesn't smile at all when it's apparent her new boyfriend is going to probably fly to his death.

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+I could turn around and say Katara never saw herself as anyone's mother.

*But your point was that Zuko saw Katara like his mother and that's why he liked her. However, Zuko was never present while Katara was dressed like that. So, if (big if) he ever did see her like his mother, it could not be because of her outfit.

x No, it was about how a lot of Zutarians like to say, "Katara is Aang's mother" and then used her looking like Zuko's mom as a positive for Zutara. Their reputation includes them using glaring double standards when it comes to Aang (and Mai).

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+Maybe she doesn't love him yet, but probably only because she's still sorting out her feelings. It still doesn't equal Zutara.

*Indeed, anti-Kataang arguments do not prove Zutara. However, remember, all the anti-Zutara does not prove Kataang. They are made because it shows that there is still a possibility for that relationship because the other doesn't exist.

x I guess I'll drop this argument.
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+Also, flashbacks of memories of Mai aren't all that important to Zuko's main storyline, realizing his destiny. Mai is just there to help him along that path, though she may not realize that's what she had been doing.

*Mai in herself isn't important to Zuko realizing his destiny. A. She was a factor that kept him as the fire nation prince. B. She can't relate to him in any way. He's passionate about things and she mostly does things to relieve boredom. He's been around the world for three years, banished by his father for speaking out, and he's had to make life-altering decisions. She's only been outside palace walls for a few months and never really had to rough it like Zuko has, she was always obedient to her parents, and never had to face a life-altering decision.

Face it, they can't relate to each other.

x Actually they can, otherwise they would have stayed broken up since The Beach. She's not so perpetually bored around Zuko either, as you can see. They relate to each other in all of their positive interaction.

Face it, they're made for each other and are the Avatar STP. (Second True Pair)

Also that Aang/Katara is the Avatar OTP.

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+Those first opinions were in battle and Katara probably didn't notice or care that Zuko also attacked Azula. She offered to help his Uncle, but Iroh never really did anything to anyone. Katara will always think that way of Aang but in the future of the show she'll come to see him as something more than a friend.

*True, but that doesn't change the fact that her opinion about Zuko keeps changing.

She's been around Aang for a year. She sure is taking her sweet time.

x Of course she is, and Aang was also. It's not the time for them to get together just yet.

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+"She just stayed there kissing him." ... with her eyes closed and lips still puckered after Aang pulled out, yeah...

*And then looked down, without smiling.

x Then she kept blushing at him and watched him fly off and Sokka had to break her out of her trance. Then she comforted him at the end and is no less comfortable around him in 312 and 313. Again, we're never going to agree about the kiss.

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+Katara should know now that Aang is in love with her.

*Seriously, he couldn't have been more obvious if he was holding up a billboard. I mean really, Lois Lane is more observant. x Some people just don't catch things like that when it's not on their list of priorities or if they simply don't notice. It can't be any more obvious to Zuko that he better not hurt Aang (he won't) or Katara will kill him. That's definitely a turn-off.

actually Kataang is not a TP yet

Yue and Sokka was a TP till her death

George is a pending TP(we don't know if she is still alive but they were officially a couple)

Ta Min and Roku was a TP

Hakoda and wife was a TP

I cant wait for the boiling rock to air. I can sense that we're going to find out for sure if Katara likes Aang.