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Mike and Bryan have said that Katara will either end up with Zuko or Aang*. This means that saying that she will not pick Aang is proof that she will be with Zuzu.

*I'm going by what a lot of people on the board have said. Since they have no reason to lie about this, I trust them.

Spacerac wrote:

When I said friends first, I was saying that at least some people have to be friends first, and I'll add that a lot of the lasting relationships have a transition from friends to more.

That's when people are friends for a short time before they go to the relationship phase. It's a small transition phase to get a sample of what kind of person they are.

Spacerac wrote:

He let her touch his scar because she said she could heal it, and also because they were actually getting along. He didn't know Song for anything and I don't recall Jin ever trying to touch Zuko's scar.

I meant that the scar itself is a big deal for him. He hates when people talk about it. Letting her touch it was a huge deal, heal or no heal.

Spacerac wrote:

"But hey, for Aang, it's just friendship." It might be just friendship now, but we'll still have to see in the next few episodes. IMO I really don't think that Katara and Aang being hinted at so much over the course of the show will just get torn down like that. (I mean real hints.)

In my opinion, if there is even a tenth of the amount of time needed to go from the friend zone to a boyfriend, there are way more than enough episodes for a person a girl hates to become her boyfriend.

Spacerac wrote:

For all we know, all the romantic stuff between Aang and Katara happened off screen and won't be shown until the finale (borrowing from WiseLad).

I will remember this statement and, because of it, I never want to hear you talking about straw-clutching ever again.

Spacerac wrote:

I also think that since Aang and Zuko's stories parallel, they also have their own respective love interests. There has been nothing as of yet that shows Zuko broke up with Mai, which would free him up for Zutara if Katara doesn't kill him first.

For now, I have nothing to counter this. As I have said before, that fate of Zuko and Mai's relationship will be definitively answered during BR. However, I believe that it's going to be a break up because the sketch doesn't show them too happy too see each other.

Spacerac wrote:

"it's harder to go from a good friend to a boyfriend then it is to go from a hated enemy to a boyfriend." subjective opinion.

And so is the argument that there aren't enough episodes left for Zuko and Katara to become more than friends.

Spacerac wrote:

Also, Zuko was a considerable distance away from Aang when he snapped at him, and plus he couldn't firebend anyway.

So, what, her threat towards him at the end of WAT should have gone:

...You make one step backward, one slip up, give me one reason to think you might hurt Aang, and you won't have to worry about your destiny anymore. Because I'll make sure your destiny ends, right then and there. Permanently! Provided that you are within 3 feet of him at the time and/or can still firebend. If one or both of those things don't hold true, feel free to threaten him.

Spacerac wrote:

Katara has acted motherly toward Aang in the past, but Aang gets the least of it. After reading a couple of Kataang essays (I bet some Zutarians don't read all of Kataang essays because they think they're stupid and vice-versa) you could probably also view Katara as actually looking up to Aang, while occasionally getting frustrated with him.

Meh, I don't read any of the essays, one side or the other. I know why Zuko and Katara are going to be together and I hear all of the same arguments here that I get everywhere else. If there's one that you really want me to read, though, post the link and I'll look at it.

Spacerac wrote:

I also think that her being motherly included ZUKO in their "Oh let me heal you and make it all better" moment.

So is this an argument for or against the statement that she, subconsciously, thinks of herself as Aang's mother?

Spacerac wrote:

"1. It's for the fate of the world. The guru would have said "Aang, it's just for while you are in the AS. After that, you can have your attachment again." Bet it turns out to be something Aang had to learn on his own? Therefore making him a stronger Avatar?

*sigh again* See where it says "It's for the fate of the world"? That was specifically to answer the "he has to learn it on his own" argument before it happened. It'd be one thing if Aang just had his own little foe to battle. Then I could see the "learn it on his own" argument having some merit, but people are dying all over. I'm no guru, but if I had a student who was in that situation, I would be ok with bending the rules.

Spacerac wrote:

And Roku could still go in the Avatar State AFTER he got married, meaning that the marriage was definitely an attachment he had to let go of. Therefore, Aang will be a fully realized Avatar and still be able to be with Katara and repopulate the airbenders. (repopulize isn't a word, I learned something new.)

It's what attaches you the most to this world. Not what attaches you at all. His wife obviously wasn't more attachment-worthy (you know what I'm trying to say) than whatever he had to give up. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE HAD TO GIVE UP! As for airbenders, he could train people to be airbenders.

Exactly that is my point ... So far only discussed with a subjective perception about the true message of Chakra, either as evidence anti-Kataang and Pro-Zutara or on the contrary as the best prophecy of kataang. The only thing I wanted to suggest is that we should just be patient, why are we talking about the greatest conclusion of Show:

Copy and paste from the interview Bryan Konietzko "Animation World" ...

For the immediate future, though, fans watching the third season unfold can expect the usual "epic, Asian-influenced martial arts, fantastical action, adventurous comedy, and dramatic showings of the four elements!" More seriously, Konietzko assures us that all of the various story arcs will culminate in an exciting conclusion. "Aang is getting ready to own up to his destiny as the Avatar."

Edited on 04/04/2008 9:00am
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Go Will Ferrell

I have a book of Metaphysics and it is very interesting that the cultural basis of this reference in the show is very faithful to the real ... In my book says that the purpose of knowledge and mastery of Chakra is the control of the vital energy in terms physical and spiritual in the human body.

Buddhism has otherwise similar regain control of the vital energy and spiritual in the human body, they practiced this through meditation and "entering the state Avatar" in real life is very similar to a "state of initiation" or "enlightenment". OK end to the Off-topic xD

so what you're saying is, aang is going to use the avatar state to defeat firelord ozai? this is what you're saying, isn't it?
WRONG!
think about it, use your brain! when he's in the avatar state, he has unnaturally powerful bending abilites, he has the power of every avatar who has ever lived! there's no way some 2-bit firelord can stand up to that! aang would win in seconds! there wouldn't even be a need for a 2 hour finale, it would be over in 5 minutes!
if he's just going to glow it up and stomp that firelord (lol c wut i did thar?) then what was the point of learning all 4 elements? he could earthbend pretty fine in the 'state before even beginning it. he can bend all 4 elements with ease in the 'state. you're telling me that we've gone through all of that training just to see him glow a bit and ROFLPWN ozai in seconds without even trying?
there's a reason he's spent the last 3 seasons training, he needs to use his bending to defeat ozai, not spirit magic. aang needs to win with his own skills. that's the very reason his chakra was locked in the first place. the AS is a HUGE plot device. if he can use the AS there's no point in him learning bending, is there?
seriously, stop using that as an argument, it's not a very good one.

That's why the hyped up battle is Avatar State Aang vs. Comet Powered Ozai.

Why do you think they would be hyping up how much it will strengthen firebenders? It's to foreshadow how awesomely sick the match between ASA v CPO will be.

EDIT: Wiseone, every point you just made, that makes sense (wtf are you talking about with Longshot?), has been talked about on the last page. I'm not going to bother repeating myself to someone who isn't going to bother to read what I say.

Edited on 04/04/2008 11:45am

That's why the hyped up battle is Avatar State Aang vs. Comet Powered Ozai.

Why do you think they would be hyping up how much it will strengthen firebenders? It's to foreshadow how awesomely sick the match between ASA v CPO will be.

EDIT: Wiseone, every point you just made, that makes sense (wtf are you talking about with Longshot?), has been talked about on the last page. I'm not going to bother repeating myself to someone who isn't going to bother to read what I say.

The following sentence is not a lie in any way, it is 100% true. After I read that sentence, I facepalmed myself. This comment was that bad. He was using "over" as a synonym for "instead of".

However, since you have brought us to the topic of exact wording, what do you think of my claim that Sokka's statement about Aang at the end of "The Fortuneteller" is meaningless because he said that Aang was "one powerful bender" and "what a powerful bender", but not a "very powerful bender" like Katara's future husband is supposed to be? After all, Aunt Wu's fortunes have to be taken in exact wording.

Spike815 wrote:

That implies you keep both, whilst favoring one: ie. His Avatar duty comes before Katara.

He doesn't have to go "B*tch, I'm the avatar now. So get out of my sight." He just has to not feel a strong attachment to her. Because of this, he has to stop being in love with her.

Spike815 wrote:

And 1 minute or 2 before: Guru: Let the pain flow away. Very good.

So obviously, Aang can no longer feel pain. Or anger, or fear, or tell lies, or be lied to, or have earthly attachments. Yet even AFTER he unlocked the first 6 chakras, he expresses all these.

Don't say I have selective hearing good sir. I have AS facts spanning the show on my side, you have a theory based on a sentence by the Guru.

Aang can still have these feelings on that level because he never ended up completely going into the AS. He was still in that purple sphere when Azula blasted him. That's why he can still have those emotions.

Oh yeah, my... wait, wait. *reads the post over again to make sure I'm getting this right*

... my theory based on a sentence by the Guru. Again, facepalm. You know what? I'll skip the nit picking that it was two sentences (only putting it here because I'm petty) and instead show you why that comment makes no sense.

THE GURU IS EVERYONE'S SOURCE AS TO HOW TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE AVATAR STATE! You can't just keep ignoring the things you don't like to hear. You have to take in everything that the Guru says. If, for some reason, you think that the Guru isn't a good source for how to get to the AS the right way, that's one thing. It's crazy, but it's one thing. However, you've already cited the Guru plenty of times. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You guys are blatantly ignoring the things in the show that go against Aang and Katara being together.

It doesn't matter if it was one sentence or 100. The guru said it. The only people who would have higher knowledge of the AS would be past avatars themselves. So, the only way you can get out of any part of what he said is to cite where a past avatar said "No, that part isn't true."

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yeah long time no see