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    rgc19

    [4941]Aug 19, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:

    Azula dying? AZULA DYING?!!!

    rgc19, you have incurred my undying wrath. Azula's survival was (I feel) one of the key elements in the epicness of the finale.

    Also, there was nothing forced about Kataang, except for the fact that they weren't together by the end of Season 2. If anything Kataang was repressed, not forced.

    No comment on Toph or Jet.

    OK, I respect your opinion, and I'd like to defend some of mine. I already explained why I thought Aang should have died, so I'll move on to the next two. First off, Toph. Her situation with her parents was still unresolved by the finale, IMO. Her death would have served a 'lesson', so to speak, to her overprotective parents, who missed their big chance for redemption when she returned after saving Aang in 'blind bandit'. So no, her death wouldn't have been meaningless, and yes it would have ratcheted up the drama, which is not a good reason for a character death, but not necessarily a bad result. Next, Azula. I know a lot of debate has entailed since the finale concerning her true nature, be it her mental or emotional state, and whether she was really evil. In a way, her death would have been tragic, but it would have been fitting, the whole passing of the torch type thing. Plus I would have had Zuko kill her. Somehow Katara capturing her just wasn't quite satisfying. I always toyed with the idea of Zuko dying as well, but it would have been too depressing; ATLA is a story of redemption, not a tragedy. Plus who would be the new fire lord? As far as Jet, I'd have kept him alive for purely selfish reasons: in actuality, I found his death both consistent with and important to the plot. And I'll take back that Kataang was forced, I guess I was relying on a cliche when what I was trying to say was that I really preferred Jetara. Anyways, too much talk, I'd just like to iterate that by saying I'd have killed these characters doesn't mean I didn't like the characters or something, or that I enjoy watching young people die. I just had a slightly different vision for the finale, but at the same time, I respect Bryke's decisions and all of yours.

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    isabelwhatx

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    We respect yours as well But Toph basically resolved her parental problem in "The Runaway". By her sending the letter to her parents she finally accepted them and understood where they were coming from. Zuko wouldn't kill Azula, as shown in TSR. I'm sure that if he realized she was in actual danger he would've gone to help her. He never would've killed her.
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    rgc19

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I agree that by Azula dying much of the epicness of the finale would've been lost. It's not just because I'm an Azula fan, either. If she had died during the agni kai I personally would've been dissapointed. Zuko was never out to kill her, I don't think he would ever wish that upon her (TSR). That would kill Zuko's character immediately in my eyes. Also, by having Azula die we wouldn't have seen the epic scene where she goes crazy in the hand cuffs. That was my second favourite scene in the whole entire finale (next to Zuko and Iroh meeting up again, that made me BAWL). AND THEN Azula had absolutely no reason to die. They weren't out to kill her. If they HAD killed her, I would've been dissapointed. That would've been over dramatic and unneccessary. IMO, at least.

    OK I definitely respect your opinion and I see where you're coming from. But I would have viewed Azula's death as a tragic consequence to their (Zuko and Azula) 'fates', if you will. Azula was destined to preserve the line of powerful fire nation rulers, and standing in her way, Zuko, not only older and heir to the throne, but an outcast destined to change the course of fire nation history. I agree that it was still very well done without her dying, but then again, this was a polarizing conflict, even moreso than Ozai vs. Aang, and I just feel killing Azula was the right way to do it. Please don't kick me out of the Azula fan club!

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    isabelwhatx

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    Lmao, no one's kicking you out. But if Azula had died that would ruin the whole point of the finale, "violence isn't the answer." That theme was repeated time and again from the agni kai to Ozai and Aang's epic battle. If Azula had died that theme would've been shattered.
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    rgc19

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    We respect yours as well But Toph basically resolved her parental problem in "The Runaway". By her sending the letter to her parents she finally accepted them and understood where they were coming from. Zuko wouldn't kill Azula, as shown in TSR. I'm sure that if he realized she was in actual danger he would've gone to help her. He never would've killed her.

    OK, you've kind of got me thinking about the whole Toph thing. I might have to reconsider that. It would have been tragic, yes, but that's consistent with the nature of war that I thought they (Bryke) were trying to convey. As far as Zuko not being willing to kill her, I don't necessarily agree. He was throwing massive amounts of fire at her in their agni kai (sp?) One missed block and she's toast. Now I don't think he would've had the guts to look her in the eyes as she lay on the ground and deliver the final blow, but I would have had him defeat her with an 'incidental blow', if you will.

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    isabelwhatx

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    That's true, but I don't think Bryke would've allowed that to happen, becayse if they WERE going to have her die they prob. wanted it to be epic. But that's a thought.
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    Axrendale

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    If Azula had died, it would have effectively laid to waste the scene where Azula sees her mother in the mirror. If the creators had wanted her dead, they would have simply restricted her insanity to intensive paranoia. Instead, however, they chose to offer us an intriguing insight into Azula's character. Killing her off after they devoted an entire scene to showing us that she is a genuine human being would have just been a waste.

    Why are we talking about this on the shipping thread?

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    rgc19

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    That's true, but I don't think Bryke would've allowed that to happen, becayse if they WERE going to have her die they prob. wanted it to be epic. But that's a thought.

    Agreed on the count of epicness. My idea does have some holes in it. I just have a hard time imagining Azula in prison. Now that would make for a great episode!

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    Axrendale

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    rgc19 wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    That's true, but I don't think Bryke would've allowed that to happen, becayse if they WERE going to have her die they prob. wanted it to be epic. But that's a thought.

    Agreed on the count of epicness. My idea does have some holes in it. I just have a hard time imagining Azula in prison. Now that would make for a great episode!

    Actually, I seriously doubt that she is in a prison like Ozai's. According to Nick.com, Azula has been lucky enough to land in a private facility, where she recieves the royal treatment, being cared for around the clock. So things have turned out (moderatly) okay for Azula.

    It's ironic really, but in a way, Azula's insanity and defeat actually saved her. If she had remained sane, or still gone insane but managed to kill Zuko and Katara, then she would still have been defeated by Aang, once he went after Katara and Zuko. If that had happened, things would most likely have ended poorly for Azula; with her bending removed and most likely dumped in the same prison as Ozai. Instead, she not only managed to keep her bending, but is still living a pretty good life.

    As Ozai said, Azula was born lucky.

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    angiebabie

    [4950]Aug 19, 2008
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    Sokka can have any girl he wants

    HE PIMPING LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!
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    mangafreak5000

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    Hmph. Too bad, I missed our whole Jinko discussion. I agree that Jin and Zuko were cute together, but the fact remains that they really didn't have a relationship. They went on one date, and even then Jin didn't even begin to scratch the surface of Zuko's character. Heck, she didn't even know who he really was. And, I think that ZUko would have exploded from all of the perky happiness. He gets enough of that from Iroh, thats why he and Mai are so good together. She depresses up his day.
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    rgc19

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    Axrendale wrote:
    rgc19 wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    That's true, but I don't think Bryke would've allowed that to happen, becayse if they WERE going to have her die they prob. wanted it to be epic. But that's a thought.

    Agreed on the count of epicness. My idea does have some holes in it. I just have a hard time imagining Azula in prison. Now that would make for a great episode!

    Actually, I seriously doubt that she is in a prison like Ozai's. According to Nick.com, Azula has been lucky enough to land in a private facility, where she recieves the royal treatment, being cared for around the clock. So things have turned out (moderatly) okay for Azula.

    It's ironic really, but in a way, Azula's insanity and defeat actually saved her. If she had remained sane, or still gone insane but managed to kill Zuko and Katara, then she would still have been defeated by Aang, once he went after Katara and Zuko. If that had happened, things would most likely have ended poorly for Azula; with her bending removed and most likely dumped in the same prison as Ozai. Instead, she not only managed to keep her bending, but is still living a pretty good life.

    As Ozai said, Azula was born lucky.

    A Private facility? Damn! As far as royal treatment, I really can't see that happening. She did some terrible things, and I don't think we should assume that she'd get the AMerican pop star treatment.

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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    I like how the ending and couples turned out... I think Toph's ending should have been seeing and understanding her parents.
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    isabelwhatx

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    mangafreak5000 wrote:
    Hmph. Too bad, I missed our whole Jinko discussion. I agree that Jin and Zuko were cute together, but the fact remains that they really didn't have a relationship. They went on one date, and even then Jin didn't even begin to scratch the surface of Zuko's character. Heck, she didn't even know who he really was. And, I think that ZUko would have exploded from all of the perky happiness. He gets enough of that from Iroh, thats why he and Mai are so good together. She depresses up his day.
    Excuse my gross typing because Im on my phone. But I think that Jin definitey scratched more than just the surface of Zukos character. She really had an impact on him. He allowed himself to firebend (a very dangerous thing in Ba Sing Sei) just to please her. I think they connected more than anyone thought.
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    Axrendale

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    rgc19 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    rgc19 wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    That's true, but I don't think Bryke would've allowed that to happen, becayse if they WERE going to have her die they prob. wanted it to be epic. But that's a thought.

    Agreed on the count of epicness. My idea does have some holes in it. I just have a hard time imagining Azula in prison. Now that would make for a great episode!

    Actually, I seriously doubt that she is in a prison like Ozai's. According to Nick.com, Azula has been lucky enough to land in a private facility, where she recieves the royal treatment, being cared for around the clock. So things have turned out (moderatly) okay for Azula.

    It's ironic really, but in a way, Azula's insanity and defeat actually saved her. If she had remained sane, or still gone insane but managed to kill Zuko and Katara, then she would still have been defeated by Aang, once he went after Katara and Zuko. If that had happened, things would most likely have ended poorly for Azula; with her bending removed and most likely dumped in the same prison as Ozai. Instead, she not only managed to keep her bending, but is still living a pretty good life.

    As Ozai said, Azula was born lucky.

    A Private facility? Damn! As far as royal treatment, I really can't see that happening. She did some terrible things, and I don't think we should assume that she'd get the AMerican pop star treatment.

    I'm fairly certain that she is. Zuko can't afford to alienate people by arresting everyone ever involved in the war effort - if he did he'd have to arrest half the Fire Nation. Technically, Azula was never anything more than a very highly placed military officer - all the blame has been dumped squarely on Ozai's shoulders. She is a member of the Royal Family, and the new Firelord's sister. Chances are she is recovering from her mental illness in the lap of luxury.

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    mangafreak5000 wrote:
    Hmph. Too bad, I missed our whole Jinko discussion. I agree that Jin and Zuko were cute together, but the fact remains that they really didn't have a relationship. They went on one date, and even then Jin didn't even begin to scratch the surface of Zuko's character. Heck, she didn't even know who he really was. And, I think that ZUko would have exploded from all of the perky happiness. He gets enough of that from Iroh, thats why he and Mai are so good together. She depresses up his day.
    Excuse my gross typing because Im on my phone. But I think that Jin definitey scratched more than just the surface of Zukos character. She really had an impact on him. He allowed himself to firebend (a very dangerous thing in Ba Sing Sei) just to please her. I think they connected more than anyone thought.


    I think that makes sense. He'd risk his identity and stuff just to make her happy.
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    NinjaSkillz57 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    mangafreak5000 wrote:
    Hmph. Too bad, I missed our whole Jinko discussion. I agree that Jin and Zuko were cute together, but the fact remains that they really didn't have a relationship. They went on one date, and even then Jin didn't even begin to scratch the surface of Zuko's character. Heck, she didn't even know who he really was. And, I think that ZUko would have exploded from all of the perky happiness. He gets enough of that from Iroh, thats why he and Mai are so good together. She depresses up his day.
    Excuse my gross typing because Im on my phone. But I think that Jin definitey scratched more than just the surface of Zukos character. She really had an impact on him. He allowed himself to firebend (a very dangerous thing in Ba Sing Sei) just to please her. I think they connected more than anyone thought.
    I think that makes sense. He'd risk his identity and stuff just to make her happy.
    that part was so cute! I think Zuko would do alot to make a girl happy (besides Katara all he did was make her angry before book 3)

    How funny was it when Zuko first came out with his hair all slicked back and she messed it all up

    "Hey! It took my uncle an hour to get my hair like this!" or whatever he said. That was cute

    Jinko FTW! even though they already lost..

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    bl0ndi3girl18 wrote:

    NinjaSkillz57 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    mangafreak5000 wrote:
    Hmph. Too bad, I missed our whole Jinko discussion. I agree that Jin and Zuko were cute together, but the fact remains that they really didn't have a relationship. They went on one date, and even then Jin didn't even begin to scratch the surface of Zuko's character. Heck, she didn't even know who he really was. And, I think that ZUko would have exploded from all of the perky happiness. He gets enough of that from Iroh, thats why he and Mai are so good together. She depresses up his day.
    Excuse my gross typing because Im on my phone. But I think that Jin definitey scratched more than just the surface of Zukos character. She really had an impact on him. He allowed himself to firebend (a very dangerous thing in Ba Sing Sei) just to please her. I think they connected more than anyone thought.
    I think that makes sense. He'd risk his identity and stuff just to make her happy.
    that part was so cute! I think Zuko would do alot to make a girl happy (besides Katara all he did was make her angry before book 3)

    How funny was it when Zuko first came out with his hair all slicked back and she messed it all up

    "Hey! It took my uncle an hour to get my hair like this!" or whatever he said. That was cute

    Jinko FTW! even though they already lost..

    LOL, yeah, all he did was make Katara angry. But I still think he goes good with Mai

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    NinjaSkillz57 wrote:
    bl0ndi3girl18 wrote:

    NinjaSkillz57 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    mangafreak5000 wrote:
    Hmph. Too bad, I missed our whole Jinko discussion. I agree that Jin and Zuko were cute together, but the fact remains that they really didn't have a relationship. They went on one date, and even then Jin didn't even begin to scratch the surface of Zuko's character. Heck, she didn't even know who he really was. And, I think that ZUko would have exploded from all of the perky happiness. He gets enough of that from Iroh, thats why he and Mai are so good together. She depresses up his day.
    Excuse my gross typing because Im on my phone. But I think that Jin definitey scratched more than just the surface of Zukos character. She really had an impact on him. He allowed himself to firebend (a very dangerous thing in Ba Sing Sei) just to please her. I think they connected more than anyone thought.
    I think that makes sense. He'd risk his identity and stuff just to make her happy.
    that part was so cute! I think Zuko would do alot to make a girl happy (besides Katara all he did was make her angry before book 3)

    How funny was it when Zuko first came out with his hair all slicked back and she messed it all up

    "Hey! It took my uncle an hour to get my hair like this!" or whatever he said. That was cute

    Jinko FTW! even though they already lost..

    LOL, yeah, all he did was make Katara angry. But I still think he goes good with Mai

    i second that emotion! Jinko also good. "hey, sorry my family tried to ethnicly cleanse you, wanna hook up?" XD yes, i have a cruel sense of humor.

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    isabelwhatx

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    JINKO WILL REIN SUPREME! JINKO FTW!
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