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    daveshanFromGMU

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    Spacerac wrote:
    I've watched some Zutara evidence videos on youtube and I can't help but laugh because it's obvious they're trying too hard
    I agree with you completely on that much. When I look at Zutara videos on Youtube, the ones that try to show evidence are rediculus and put things together that aren't there. The amv's are usually good, though.

    The similarities arguments always get me shaking my head. If you are going by similarities, Zuko and Aang are going to wind up together because of the umpteen-trillions of things that they have in common. That or Zuko and Toph will be together because they both ran away from prestigious families to help train Aang. That or Zuko and Sokka are going to be together because they both got splashed with water as comic relief numerous times in season 1 and are both good with swords. Of course, Zuko could get it on with the whole Gaang, then it would make sense. :p

    I've told you guys my arguments: Katara's actions towards Jet in Ba Sing Se were similar to how they are towards Zuko now, Zuko let Katara touch his scar, and Zuko doesn't yell at Katara whenever she makes sarcastic remarks at him despite that he yells at others when they do it. However, I've realized something else in response to the Maiko argument, he has snapped at Mai before for saying things that were similar to what Katara has said.

    But, yeah. Most of those videos have no basis what so ever. Just watch the Zutara amv's, those are good.

    EDIT: How come the Sokka + Ty Lee relationship isn't called Sokkee (pronounced like sake, the Japanese drink)?

    Edited on 03/10/2008 12:56pm
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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    Spacerac wrote:
    I've watched some Zutara evidence videos on youtube and I can't help but laugh because it's obvious they're trying too hard
    I agree with you completely on that much. When I look at Zutara videos on Youtube, the ones that try to show evidence are rediculus and put things together that aren't there. The amv's are usually good, though.

    The similarities arguments always get me shaking my head. If you are going by similarities, Zuko and Aang are going to wind up together because of the umpteen-trillions of things that they have in common. That or Zuko and Toph will be together because they both ran away from prestigious families to help train Aang. That or Zuko and Sokka are going to be together because they both got splashed with water as comic relief numerous times in season 1 and are both good with swords. Of course, Zuko could get it on with the whole Gaang, then it would make sense. :p

    I've told you guys my arguments: Katara's actions towards Jet in Ba Sing Se were similar to how they are towards Zuko now, Zuko let Katara touch his scar, and Zuko doesn't yell at Katara whenever she makes sarcastic remarks at him despite that he yells at others when they do it. However, I've realized something else in response to the Maiko argument, he has snapped at Mai before for saying things that were similar to what Katara has said.

    But, yeah. Most of those videos have no basis what so ever. Just watch the Zutara amv's, those are good.

    EDIT: How come the Sokka + Ty Lee relationship isn't called Sokkee (pronounced like sake, the Japanese drink)?

    i think it's called ty lokka.
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    Spacerac

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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    Spacerac wrote:
    I've watched some Zutara evidence videos on youtube and I can't help but laugh because it's obvious they're trying too hard
    I agree with you completely on that much. When I look at Zutara videos on Youtube, the ones that try to show evidence are rediculus and put things together that aren't there. The amv's are usually good, though.

    The similarities arguments always get me shaking my head. If you are going by similarities, Zuko and Aang are going to wind up together because of the umpteen-trillions of things that they have in common. That or Zuko and Toph will be together because they both ran away from prestigious families to help train Aang. That or Zuko and Sokka are going to be together because they both got splashed with water as comic relief numerous times in season 1 and are both good with swords. Of course, Zuko could get it on with the whole Gaang, then it would make sense. :p

    I've told you guys my arguments: Katara's actions towards Jet in Ba Sing Se were similar to how they are towards Zuko now, Zuko let Katara touch his scar, and Zuko doesn't yell at Katara whenever she makes sarcastic remarks at him despite that he yells at others when they do it. However, I've realized something else in response to the Maiko argument, he has snapped at Mai before for saying things that were similar to what Katara has said.

    But, yeah. Most of those videos have no basis what so ever. Just watch the Zutara amv's, those are good.

    EDIT: How come the Sokka + Ty Lee relationship isn't called Sokkee (pronounced like sake, the Japanese drink)?

    I agree with your post as well.

    Now it's time for the occasional boring period where Zutarians and Kataangers get along, lol.

    Don't lie, you all know it's true, occasionally the two opposing sides get along but it makes everything all boring!
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    daveshanFromGMU

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    Spacerac wrote:
    I agree with your post as well. Now it's time for the occasional boring period where Zutarians and Kataangers get along, lol. Don't lie, you all know it's true, occasionally the two opposing sides get along but it makes everything all boring!
    Amen. When you and I can agree, what hope is there for this thread? :p
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    wiseone_777

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    Spacerac wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    Spacerac wrote:
    I've watched some Zutara evidence videos on youtube and I can't help but laugh because it's obvious they're trying too hard
    I agree with you completely on that much. When I look at Zutara videos on Youtube, the ones that try to show evidence are rediculus and put things together that aren't there. The amv's are usually good, though.

    The similarities arguments always get me shaking my head. If you are going by similarities, Zuko and Aang are going to wind up together because of the umpteen-trillions of things that they have in common. That or Zuko and Toph will be together because they both ran away from prestigious families to help train Aang. That or Zuko and Sokka are going to be together because they both got splashed with water as comic relief numerous times in season 1 and are both good with swords. Of course, Zuko could get it on with the whole Gaang, then it would make sense. :p

    I've told you guys my arguments: Katara's actions towards Jet in Ba Sing Se were similar to how they are towards Zuko now, Zuko let Katara touch his scar, and Zuko doesn't yell at Katara whenever she makes sarcastic remarks at him despite that he yells at others when they do it. However, I've realized something else in response to the Maiko argument, he has snapped at Mai before for saying things that were similar to what Katara has said.

    But, yeah. Most of those videos have no basis what so ever. Just watch the Zutara amv's, those are good.

    EDIT: How come the Sokka + Ty Lee relationship isn't called Sokkee (pronounced like sake, the Japanese drink)?

    I agree with your post as well.

    Now it's time for the occasional boring period where Zutarians and Kataangers get along, lol.

    Don't lie, you all know it's true, occasionally the two opposing sides get along but it makes everything all boring!

    Go Tyru (Ty Lee+Haru). Hehehee..
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    AllKnowingBeing

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    Typical Zutara shipper-"Death to the infidels!"

    Typical Kataang shipper-"That is counter-revolutionary!"

    Typical crack shipper-(French stereotype voice)"We surrender!"

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    tomtitan

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    AllKnowingBeing wrote:

    Typical Zutara shipper-"Death to the infidels!"

    Typical Kataang shipper-"That is counter-revolutionary!"

    Typical crack shipper-(French stereotype voice)"We surrender!"

    last line is win because it's true.
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    AllKnowingBeing

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    tomtitan wrote:
    AllKnowingBeing wrote:

    Typical Zutara shipper-"Death to the infidels!"

    Typical Kataang shipper-"That is counter-revolutionary!"

    Typical crack shipper-(French stereotype voice)"We surrender!"

    last line is win because it's true.
    French salior(French stereotype voice)-"Come to France and let us mock the countary(US) that saved us twice from the Germans."
    Edited on 03/10/2008 3:03pm
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    kamzts

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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    My apologize, Space. But I think that you could see how that sounded like an insult.

    kamzts wrote:
    I cant exactly prove that Katara is JUST as in love with Aang as he is with her because Aang is so deeply in love with her. However there is proof that Katara does like Aang. She is always kissing him on the cheak They are always hugging (yes I know that is more of a friendly thing but still) In the Headband when Aang was dancing with Onji Sokka said "hey they look good together" (or something like that) and Katara said "well if that's what you like" and was obviously jealous and showed it when she turned her head real quick bitterly and then looked back at Sokka to see if he had noticed that she was jealous. When Aang asked her to dance in the Headband she was very nervous. And when Aang said "don't worry about them right now it's just you and me" she blushed but was quick to recover. In the day of black sun when Aang kissed her she kissed back at the last moment. If she didn't like the kiss she wouldn't have returned it. When Katara threatened to kill Zuko she said that if she gave any reason to hurt Aang. Key word Aang! If that was just in a motherly way then why didn't she address the whole group? In the warriors of Kioshi Katara was kind of jealous that Aang was hanging out with a bunch of girls and not her.

    -No one has ever doubted that Katara cares for Aang very much. We've just argued if it's love or not.

    -The kissing is the main argued part. Everyone hugs, so those aren't talked about. The argument about the kisses is that they are always on the cheeks in a very friendly way, never the lips. If you take a step back and examine real life, plenty of girls have no problems kissing their guy friends on the cheeks, even if her boyfriend/his girlfriend is standing right there and watching. It's just a thing that friends of the opposite gender do when they are close enough but still just friends. Since Aang has never expressed any actual discomfort with being kissed, there's no reason for Katara not to go further if she wanted to.

    -Ok, the headband and DoBS thing always get me confused. Yes, she was clearly jealous, nervous, then happy. When I first saw that, I thought, "Well, I was wrong about her and Zuko. Oh well, they would have been a cute couple, though." Then, in DoBS the kiss scene...

    Let me put it to you this way: If you watch Futurama, think about the episode where they were dragged underwater and found the lost city of Atlanta. Just before they leave to go back to the surface, Dr. Zoidberg's underwater house get's burned down and he screams, "How could this happen?" Hermes then says, "That's a good question." Right after he says that, Bender walks over and picks up a lit cigar, starts smoking it, and says. "Ah, that's where I put my cigar." Hermes replies by saying, "That just raises further questions."

    That's how I feel about the kiss scene. Katara resisted at first, then went into it. When it was over, she kept her lips puckered, opened her eyes while she wore a confused look, and then did the whole turning down thing as if she just did something that she knew she shouldn't have. It didn't answer a single thing.

    -We've all been over why she singles out Aang at the end of WAT. Zuko has never really been after anyone else. Everytime he attacked them, he singled out Aang. She knew that, if he really was there to harm anyone, the only one it would be would be Aang.

    -In the Warriors Kioshi, I think that Katara was disappointed in Aang more than jealous. He was using his status as the avatar to pick up fan girls instead of doing what they were supposed to be doing.

    Let me ask you this, I've asked it to many others and still haven't gotten a response that I am satisfied with: In TFM, when they are sitting around the fire at dinner, Aang and Katara are sitting as far apart as anyone else is. Kind of like their personal boundaries are still the same.

    Now, think about it. He just expressed his love to her and if it were mutual, don't you think they'd be sitting shoulder to shoulder? They don't need to face-suck every three seconds, but, seeing as they both supposed to have secretly been in love with each other and they know that either of them could die any day, don't you think that they'd want to cuddle a little?



    I personally think they were still nervous about the kiss in the DOBS. If I just kissed somebody who I am always with and didnt know if they liked me or not I would be avoiding them till I knew what they thought. I would be really nervous.
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    kamzts wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    My apologize, Space. But I think that you could see how that sounded like an insult.

    kamzts wrote:
    I cant exactly prove that Katara is JUST as in love with Aang as he is with her because Aang is so deeply in love with her. However there is proof that Katara does like Aang. She is always kissing him on the cheak They are always hugging (yes I know that is more of a friendly thing but still) In the Headband when Aang was dancing with Onji Sokka said "hey they look good together" (or something like that) and Katara said "well if that's what you like" and was obviously jealous and showed it when she turned her head real quick bitterly and then looked back at Sokka to see if he had noticed that she was jealous. When Aang asked her to dance in the Headband she was very nervous. And when Aang said "don't worry about them right now it's just you and me" she blushed but was quick to recover. In the day of black sun when Aang kissed her she kissed back at the last moment. If she didn't like the kiss she wouldn't have returned it. When Katara threatened to kill Zuko she said that if she gave any reason to hurt Aang. Key word Aang! If that was just in a motherly way then why didn't she address the whole group? In the warriors of Kioshi Katara was kind of jealous that Aang was hanging out with a bunch of girls and not her.

    -No one has ever doubted that Katara cares for Aang very much. We've just argued if it's love or not.

    -The kissing is the main argued part. Everyone hugs, so those aren't talked about. The argument about the kisses is that they are always on the cheeks in a very friendly way, never the lips. If you take a step back and examine real life, plenty of girls have no problems kissing their guy friends on the cheeks, even if her boyfriend/his girlfriend is standing right there and watching. It's just a thing that friends of the opposite gender do when they are close enough but still just friends. Since Aang has never expressed any actual discomfort with being kissed, there's no reason for Katara not to go further if she wanted to.

    -Ok, the headband and DoBS thing always get me confused. Yes, she was clearly jealous, nervous, then happy. When I first saw that, I thought, "Well, I was wrong about her and Zuko. Oh well, they would have been a cute couple, though." Then, in DoBS the kiss scene...

    Let me put it to you this way: If you watch Futurama, think about the episode where they were dragged underwater and found the lost city of Atlanta. Just before they leave to go back to the surface, Dr. Zoidberg's underwater house get's burned down and he screams, "How could this happen?" Hermes then says, "That's a good question." Right after he says that, Bender walks over and picks up a lit cigar, starts smoking it, and says. "Ah, that's where I put my cigar." Hermes replies by saying, "That just raises further questions."

    That's how I feel about the kiss scene. Katara resisted at first, then went into it. When it was over, she kept her lips puckered, opened her eyes while she wore a confused look, and then did the whole turning down thing as if she just did something that she knew she shouldn't have. It didn't answer a single thing.

    -We've all been over why she singles out Aang at the end of WAT. Zuko has never really been after anyone else. Everytime he attacked them, he singled out Aang. She knew that, if he really was there to harm anyone, the only one it would be would be Aang.

    -In the Warriors Kioshi, I think that Katara was disappointed in Aang more than jealous. He was using his status as the avatar to pick up fan girls instead of doing what they were supposed to be doing.

    Let me ask you this, I've asked it to many others and still haven't gotten a response that I am satisfied with: In TFM, when they are sitting around the fire at dinner, Aang and Katara are sitting as far apart as anyone else is. Kind of like their personal boundaries are still the same.

    Now, think about it. He just expressed his love to her and if it were mutual, don't you think they'd be sitting shoulder to shoulder? They don't need to face-suck every three seconds, but, seeing as they both supposed to have secretly been in love with each other and they know that either of them could die any day, don't you think that they'd want to cuddle a little?



    I personally think they were still nervous about the kiss in the DOBS. If I just kissed somebody who I am always with and didnt know if they liked me or not I would be avoiding them till I knew what they thought. I would be really nervous.
    I think there's no meaning to that sitting distance thing. They were obviously not any more nor any less comfortable around each other.
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    kamzts

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    Spacerac wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    My apologize, Space. But I think that you could see how that sounded like an insult.

    kamzts wrote:
    I cant exactly prove that Katara is JUST as in love with Aang as he is with her because Aang is so deeply in love with her. However there is proof that Katara does like Aang. She is always kissing him on the cheak They are always hugging (yes I know that is more of a friendly thing but still) In the Headband when Aang was dancing with Onji Sokka said "hey they look good together" (or something like that) and Katara said "well if that's what you like" and was obviously jealous and showed it when she turned her head real quick bitterly and then looked back at Sokka to see if he had noticed that she was jealous. When Aang asked her to dance in the Headband she was very nervous. And when Aang said "don't worry about them right now it's just you and me" she blushed but was quick to recover. In the day of black sun when Aang kissed her she kissed back at the last moment. If she didn't like the kiss she wouldn't have returned it. When Katara threatened to kill Zuko she said that if she gave any reason to hurt Aang. Key word Aang! If that was just in a motherly way then why didn't she address the whole group? In the warriors of Kioshi Katara was kind of jealous that Aang was hanging out with a bunch of girls and not her.

    -No one has ever doubted that Katara cares for Aang very much. We've just argued if it's love or not.

    -The kissing is the main argued part. Everyone hugs, so those aren't talked about. The argument about the kisses is that they are always on the cheeks in a very friendly way, never the lips. If you take a step back and examine real life, plenty of girls have no problems kissing their guy friends on the cheeks, even if her boyfriend/his girlfriend is standing right there and watching. It's just a thing that friends of the opposite gender do when they are close enough but still just friends. Since Aang has never expressed any actual discomfort with being kissed, there's no reason for Katara not to go further if she wanted to.

    -Ok, the headband and DoBS thing always get me confused. Yes, she was clearly jealous, nervous, then happy. When I first saw that, I thought, "Well, I was wrong about her and Zuko. Oh well, they would have been a cute couple, though." Then, in DoBS the kiss scene...

    Let me put it to you this way: If you watch Futurama, think about the episode where they were dragged underwater and found the lost city of Atlanta. Just before they leave to go back to the surface, Dr. Zoidberg's underwater house get's burned down and he screams, "How could this happen?" Hermes then says, "That's a good question." Right after he says that, Bender walks over and picks up a lit cigar, starts smoking it, and says. "Ah, that's where I put my cigar." Hermes replies by saying, "That just raises further questions."

    That's how I feel about the kiss scene. Katara resisted at first, then went into it. When it was over, she kept her lips puckered, opened her eyes while she wore a confused look, and then did the whole turning down thing as if she just did something that she knew she shouldn't have. It didn't answer a single thing.

    -We've all been over why she singles out Aang at the end of WAT. Zuko has never really been after anyone else. Everytime he attacked them, he singled out Aang. She knew that, if he really was there to harm anyone, the only one it would be would be Aang.

    -In the Warriors Kioshi, I think that Katara was disappointed in Aang more than jealous. He was using his status as the avatar to pick up fan girls instead of doing what they were supposed to be doing.

    Let me ask you this, I've asked it to many others and still haven't gotten a response that I am satisfied with: In TFM, when they are sitting around the fire at dinner, Aang and Katara are sitting as far apart as anyone else is. Kind of like their personal boundaries are still the same.

    Now, think about it. He just expressed his love to her and if it were mutual, don't you think they'd be sitting shoulder to shoulder? They don't need to face-suck every three seconds, but, seeing as they both supposed to have secretly been in love with each other and they know that either of them could die any day, don't you think that they'd want to cuddle a little?



    I personally think they were still nervous about the kiss in the DOBS. If I just kissed somebody who I am always with and didnt know if they liked me or not I would be avoiding them till I knew what they thought. I would be really nervous.
    I think there's no meaning to that sitting distance thing. They were obviously not any more nor any less comfortable around each other.


    Thats true. I dont think they were focasing on any relationships in that ep.

    Zutara does have a slight chance but I think the biggest evidence that its not going to happen is the fact that in 8 episodes how are they going to make Katara go from hating Zuko to loving Zuko and Zuko will somehow fall in love with Katara and they will both express themselves. It took Aang 2 and a half seasons to tell Katara he loved her and he didn't say it in words he said it in actions.
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    Spacerac wrote:
    I think there's no meaning to that sitting distance thing. They were obviously not any more nor any less comfortable around each other.
    THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT! NOTHING CHANGED BETWEEN THEM! They could have just had Katara give Aang a nice quick peck before he and Zuko went to find the Sun Warrior civilization and that would have been it. Proof that the kiss meant everything, the shipping war would have been over, and Katara and Aang would be in a relationship, unquestionably. But, they didn't. Because nothing has changed and the kiss meant nothing.

    kamzts wrote:
    Thats true. I dont think they were focasing on any relationships in that ep. Zutara does have a slight chance but I think the biggest evidence that its not going to happen is the fact that in 8 episodes how are they going to make Katara go from hating Zuko to loving Zuko and Zuko will somehow fall in love with Katara and they will both express themselves. It took Aang 2 and a half seasons to tell Katara he loved her and he didn't say it in words he said it in actions.
    You want to know how it's possible for it to happen? Ok. Strap yourselves in, kiddies, because your in for a ride and after this, I'm done for the night.

    Katara, in "The Puppetmaster", found a dark side of water bending: Killing plants and bloodbending. There seems to be no problem with getting water from the air, however, that takes a while and doesn't give much water.

    Zuko has gone through the dark side of firebending, lost his firebending, then found the light side of firebending in TFM.

    There has been a lot of emphasis on the fact that Sokka and Katara's mother was killed by the FN, but we haven't seen any flashback about it. Also, we haven't seen any reaction from them that shows that they've ever met up with the firebender that killed their mother.

    In "The Boiling Rock" we know Zuko will get captured and it's likely he'll get caught to ensure that others get away. This is the foot-in-the-door that gets Katara to stop hating him, at least as much. Remember, he's pretty much at a point where her opinion of him really has no where to go but up. EDIT: Also, when Zuko is in his cell and Mai comes to see him, it'll probably be there that the two break up but stay friends at some level. This will also be where Mai does her good deed for the series, helping the Gaang free Zuko even though he isn't her boyfriend any more. After all, Mai isn't evil. She just helped Azula because she was bored.

    Sooner or later, after "The Boiling Rock" the Gaang will come across, among others, the firebender responsible for Sokka and Katara's mom's death. However, no matter how much Sokka and especially Katara want to fight him, with the avatar and Zuko there, he isn't going to be too interested in taking on a couple of Water Tribe peasants. This gets Katara more enraged and, as she attacks him, she runs out of her supply of water that she carries/is present. Because of that and the fact that she wants revenge, she starts drawing water out of the plants, killing them, and constantly getting the water evaporated.

    The fight splits up with the firebender taking on Zuko and Katara while the rest of whatever force he's with handles the others. Eventually, the fights get so far apart that the rest of the Gaang can't hope to help Zuko and Katara.

    Now, Katara is killing the plants left and right, thinking of nothing but revenge, and acting recklessly while Zuko is trying to fight smart, protect Katara from getting hurt because of her recklessness, and holding back his attacks when she jumps in front of them so that she can kill him. Well, sooner or later, Katara stops being able to bend; the water literally stops obeying her. Just then, the firebender attacks her to get her out of his way and Zuko has to take the bullet while firing his own to temperarily stun the firebender. The "bullet" causes Zuko to be so injured, he can't move (maybe it's another lightening user and Zuko doesn't have time to redirect it, it'd make sense if he were for later in this).

    Shocked that Zuko risked his life for her, she sees if he's ok and he explains to her how he knows what she's going through because it's similar to how he used to feel about Aang. He then tells her that she's destroying the memory of her mother and everything her mother taught her by waterbending the way she is. He explains that, she's now fighting solely for revenge instead of to protect people, which, as emphasized throughout the series, is a driving force for her. Throw in a little extra dialogue about this or that, a few tears, and Katara is back up, ready to waterbend for the right reason. As said, that reason is to protect people who need her, which includes Zuko.

    She wins the fight and thinks the firebender is dead or at least unconscious. She begins healing Zuko and the two begin a little discussion how she's sorry for everything and that he forgives her, yada, yada, yada. Well, the firebender get's up and starts building up lightening. Katara doesn't see the lightening since she's healing Zuko, but he does see it. As soon as the lightening is fired, Zuko gets a sudden burst of strength, pushes Katara out of the way, redirects the lightening back at him, and kills him. Once the smoke clears, the burst leaves Zuko and he collapses on the ground with Katara screaming his name out of fear for him.

    After the commercial break that would happen there, Zuko wakes up with the group standing over him. They all express their gratitude for what he did and how grateful they are that he is alive. Katara then asks for a few minutes to talk to Zuko alone, saying that she has something to say to him.

    Once they leave, Katara begins shyly and thanks him for saving her. Once they establish the obvious, that "saving her" is about more than the lightening at the end, she says that she's sorry for everything she's said to him and, despite how much hey may have deserved her suspicion at first, it should have been obvious that he really had changed this time. The two share a small polite talk and Katara hugs him and says thank you. When she does this, she touches a bruised spot on him and he winces in pain. She instantly pulls back and nervously apologizes. Zuko says that it's ok and, when they look at each other to continue their talk, their eyes meet, there's one of those moments, they lean in, and kiss.

    Meanwhile, Aang either remembers something he needed to ask Katara or she dropped something during the fight and all the concern about Zuko made him forget to give it to/ask her. He goes back to where she and Zuko are and sees them kissing. I don't know if they'll see him, but, I do know that, once he sees them, he'll get that "I don't know what to do" expression on his face and run off.

    End episode, end shipping wars, and begin Zuko and Katara's relationship.

    For the record, unless you want to respond to a specific part of this, please reply with @daveshanFromGMU or "To daveshanFromGMU". This is a huge block of text and we don't need it quoted every time someone wants to reply to it.

    Edited on 03/11/2008 4:37am
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    WaterLily16

    [793]Mar 10, 2008
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    To daveshanFromGMU:

    Ah yes, every Zutarian's dream. That was fun.

    But isn't Zuko meeting up with Mai in The Boiling Rock? Hmm...

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    waterbender6025

    [794]Mar 11, 2008
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    to daveshanFromGMU

    i think thats a little farfetched, mainly because it looks like mai and zuko meet up in the boiling rock and i dont think katara would betray aang like that.
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    daveshanFromGMU

    [795]Mar 11, 2008
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    "The Boiling Rock" is probably going to be where Zuko and Mai break up, but remain friends at some level. I figure that Mai will have a small moment of good in the second episode. She'll help free Zuko and let him go.

    See, Mai was never really "evil" she just helped Azula because she was bored.

    Thanks for reminding me, I'll have to edit that in.

    Edited on 03/11/2008 4:38am
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    Avaang18

    [796]Mar 11, 2008
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    End episode, end shipping wars, and begin Zuko and Katara's relationship.

    Wow that is just crazy enough.......to not ever happen in a million years!

    *facepalms* Good grief, if you honestly believe something like that's going to happen, you're going to be terribly disappointed...........

    The Boiling Rock is going to be a strictly Maiko and Sukka episode (not even much Kataang), remember these word......

    Edited on 03/11/2008 6:33am
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    Spacerac

    [797]Mar 11, 2008
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    Kataang is likely to be dragged out to the near end, it's the main ship. (dave, I'll read that post later, I can't read long stuff right now.)
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    Psyche987

    [798]Mar 11, 2008
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    wiseone_777 wrote:

    Psyche987 wrote:
    L0717 wrote:

    OH JUST BE QUIET YOU KATAANGS AND ZUTARIANS!!!!!

    and just wait for the freakin result at the end of the freakin season!!!!!

    Here you go. Nothing new: ZUTARA!

    I'll grab a random sign:

    Wiselad found this pic:

    WiseLad wrote:

    arrow in Toph

    notice the arrow in Toph's hand

    Now, I realise it could be really desperate, but some farfetched discussion point could be that this is a sign of Toph in the end ending up with Aang. (Personally I have high doubts because, well...these two don't seem lovers at all)

    Ofcourse a reason for Zutarians to say Aang could end up with Toph, then he isn't lonely, and Katara could end up with Zuko.

    Personally, I think it's unlikeable, however, Zutara is in my heart, whether it happens or not, I'm a Zutarian, only not of this kind that desperately needs to 'proof it to happen'.


    O_O......Toph is an AIRBENDER...hehehe...J.K. But Taang will not happen, because Aang respects Toph. Also, it's been noted that the Avatar draws people to him that have been with him in his past lives. Examples: Roku's Waterbending Master. Sokka=master, though he sorta looks like Pakku.

    Next Is the Northern Air Temple with Gyatso. Do I really need to explain?

    Roku's Earthbending Master is I don't Know=Toph

    Toph is like R's EBM in many ways, and they were lifelong friends. (proves Not Taang)

    Last is Ta Min=Katara. Love!!

    Anger Katara!

    So this also is another point of Kataang.

    You could see it like this too:

    Katara is Aang's waterbending teacher....so well..that wouldn't make her a lover, because Rokus waterbending teacher wasn't his lover either. I don't think you should rather look at reincarnation thingies too much.

    On the other hand...just like Rokus lover wasn't a bender...Sokka isn??t a bender !

    It??s Sokkaang time!

    Edited on 03/11/2008 9:52am
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    Psyche987

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    @daveshanFromGMU

    I like a lot of your ideas...but actually I doubt Zuko again being captured or something like that first of all. He??s been too weak too much, it??s time for him to show more strength. I??d like to see Katara bloodbend Zuko first or finding a different reason to forgive him. I love though you think Zuko will break up with Mai! Let??s hope so! (I??m a fellow Maiko hater and a Zutara lover)

    You seem too sure and it more seems like a fanfic overall though. I personally hope Zuko will at this point still show more power in firebending than Aang...(and Aang being a slight loser), because I have the feeling Zuko has a lot of catching up to do to show him a true firebending teacher.

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    WiseLad

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    @daveshanFromGMU

    that is too much like fanfic, you not the writer, and you don't know what are the thoughts of Mike and Bryan, and as many have stated, there are too many things to resolve outside of shipping to do justice to Zutara IF THAT IS WHAT MIKE AND BRYAN WANTin 4 episodes before we get to the finale

    IF ZUTARA IS GOING TO HAPPEN, probabilities are that these things would have to happen

    1) Mai and Zuko break up(or Mai dies)

    2) Katara tells Aang that she has no romantic feelings for him (or Aang dies at the finale)

    3) Katara and Zuko become friends

    4) romantic feelings between Kat and Zuko WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE FUTURE, it won't be at the final battle with Ozai, nor before that
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