If Kataang and Zutara were militaries in war, Kataang would most likely win. For Zutara to win, Katara and Zuko have to kiss in the next 8 episodes or it's Kataang.
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If Kataang and Zutara were militaries in war, Kataang would most likely win. For Zutara to win, Katara and Zuko have to kiss in the next 8 episodes or it's Kataang.
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Here's what's appealing about it for me. Zuko has never really been evil. He just thought that the Fire Nation was the good guys and that they were helping the world via the war. Betraying Iroh at CoD was the first time I think he ever saw himself as having done something authentically evil. He has a lot of character and even spoke up against a military general in his father's war room in an attempt to save FN soldiers. Because of that, Ozi did...well, Ozi did what he did. He lost his mother, which left his father, who favored Azula more, as his only parent. He really has had to struggle to make it to where he is and his character shows that. Even his enemies have acknowledged that he never gives up.
Aang ran away from his responsibilities because he didn't want to be the avatar. Once he woke up from the iceberg, he's basically tried turning everything into a game as much as possible. Now, there's nothing wrong with fun every now and then, but it's too much when the world's fate is at stake. Even now, he isn't responsible. Zuko had to convince him to go all the way through with the task during TFM.
Katara has lost her mother, had her father leave to go to war, had to teach herself waterbending for a very long time, and knows when to take things seriously and when to have fun. Even when Zuko hung her mom's necklace in front of her, she picked the safety of her friends over the necklace. At the North Pole, she stood up against Pako (sp?) and the entire culture for her right to learn waterbending as a martial art. She's a person who is willing to give second chances to people, values the safety of people who need her over her own guaranteed well-being, and has come very, very far as a waterbender.
(God, listen to me. I'm talking as if these characters really exist. :p )
Basically, Zuko's got character and he deserves the girl that's got it too. A lot of times, when the spotlight is on them for the episode, they're fighting uphill battles. Aang's challenges, to learn all the differnt bending arts, seems to come so easy to him and his character shows that. It hardly takes him more than an episode to get good at it.
I'm not saying that Aang should be punished for being gifted, I'm saying that Zuko and Katara should be rewarded for having the personalities that they have.
| kamzts wrote: |
| Zutarians- Why do you think zutara is going to happen? Wheres the evidence? |
| daveshanFromGMU wrote: | ||||||
Here's what's appealing about it for me. Zuko has never really been evil. He just thought that the Fire Nation was the good guys and that they were helping the world via the war. Betraying Iroh at CoD was the first time I think he ever saw himself as having done something authentically evil. He has a lot of character and even spoke up against a military general in his father's war room in an attempt to save FN soldiers. Because of that, Ozi did...well, Ozi did what he did. He lost his mother, which left his father, who favored Azula more, as his only parent. He really has had to struggle to make it to where he is and his character shows that. Even his enemies have acknowledged that he never gives up. Aang ran away from his responsibilities because he didn't want to be the avatar. Once he woke up from the iceberg, he's basically tried turning everything into a game as much as possible. Now, there's nothing wrong with fun every now and then, but it's too much when the world's fate is at stake. Even now, he isn't responsible. Zuko had to convince him to go all the way through with the task during TFM. Katara has lost her mother, had her father leave to go to war, had to teach herself waterbending for a very long time, and knows when to take things seriously and when to have fun. Even when Zuko hung her mom's necklace in front of her, she picked the safety of her friends over the necklace. At the North Pole, she stood up against Pako (sp?) and the entire culture for her right to learn waterbending as a martial art. She's a person who is willing to give second chances to people, values the safety of people who need her over her own guaranteed well-being, and has come very, very far as a waterbender. (God, listen to me. I'm talking as if these characters really exist. :p ) Basically, Zuko's got character and he deserves the girl that's got it too. A lot of times, when the spotlight is on them for the episode, they're fighting uphill battles. Aang's challenges, to learn all the differnt bending arts, seems to come so easy to him and his character shows that. It hardly takes him more than an episode to get good at it. I'm not saying that Aang should be punished for being gifted, I'm saying that Zuko and Katara should be rewarded for having the personalities that they have. |
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Here's what's appealing about it for me. Zuko has never really been evil. He just thought that the Fire Nation was the good guys and that they were helping the world via the war. Betraying Iroh at CoD was the first time I think he ever saw himself as having done something authentically evil. He has a lot of character and even spoke up against a military general in his father's war room in an attempt to save FN soldiers. Because of that, Ozi did...well, Ozi did what he did. He lost his mother, which left his father, who favored Azula more, as his only parent. He really has had to struggle to make it to where he is and his character shows that. Even his enemies have acknowledged that he never gives up. Aang ran away from his responsibilities because he didn't want to be the avatar. Once he woke up from the iceberg, he's basically tried turning everything into a game as much as possible. Now, there's nothing wrong with fun every now and then, but it's too much when the world's fate is at stake. Even now, he isn't responsible. Zuko had to convince him to go all the way through with the task during TFM. Katara has lost her mother, had her father leave to go to war, had to teach herself waterbending for a very long time, and knows when to take things seriously and when to have fun. Even when Zuko hung her mom's necklace in front of her, she picked the safety of her friends over the necklace. At the North Pole, she stood up against Pako (sp?) and the entire culture for her right to learn waterbending as a martial art. She's a person who is willing to give second chances to people, values the safety of people who need her over her own guaranteed well-being, and has come very, very far as a waterbender. (God, listen to me. I'm talking as if these characters really exist. :p ) Basically, Zuko's got character and he deserves the girl that's got it too. A lot of times, when the spotlight is on them for the episode, they're fighting uphill battles. Aang's challenges, to learn all the differnt bending arts, seems to come so easy to him and his character shows that. It hardly takes him more than an episode to get good at it. I'm not saying that Aang should be punished for being gifted, I'm saying that Zuko and Katara should be rewarded for having the personalities that they have. |
Zuko has shown Katara a lot of love, heres a picture from The Siege of the North (1) where he was trying to grab her face while he was fire bending
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Simply because. It's just alot more passionate (sp?), theres more oh idk what. But it's just wonderful. Like love at first sight. The kind you'd want. You mix a guy that's had ever problem imaginable and mix in a girl with almost the same types of problems, the whole ying yang thing, opposites attract and a bunch of other stuff. You get Zutara. If u don't beleive in Zutara. Read Push and Pull. It shall convert you. That will open your eyes. |
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"it doesn't matter if your eyes are open or closed if your in a dark room." -Estey |
| Spike815 wrote: | ||||||
That love at first sight idea was killed back in season one. The very first episode I believe. |
| Spike815 wrote: |
| So they should be together because you like their personalities and struggles? |
| Spike815 wrote: |
| And oh please, "Zuko's always been good." He's been hunting down and trying to kill Aang as recent as season 3. He hired an assassin to kill Aang, just to cover himself! |
| Spike815 wrote: |
| He betrayed Iroh, the only man who ever loved him, for what? For his evil dad's love? |
| daveshanFromGMU wrote: |
| Betraying Iroh at CoD was the first time I think he ever saw himself as having done something authentically evil. |
| Spike815 wrote: |
| Zuko's been doing what's best for himself. |
-Stood up for those amatuer FN soldiers
-Saving the helm's man during "The Storm"
-Taking the boat into port instead of chasing the Avatar at the end of "The Storm"
-Going after his uncle instead of the Avatar in "The Spirit World"
-"Zuko Alone". I mean, really, did you forget that entire episode?
-Zuko helping Jet and his friends get food for the refugees in "The Serpent's Pass".
-Appa, Ba Sing Se, and Lake Laogai. Any of that ring any bells?
-Continuously visiting Iroh in jail, even though Iroh wasn't saying anything to him. He even brought Iroh chicken.
-"The Western Air Temple"
-"The Firebending Masters". He wanted to get his bending back so that he could teach Aang.
Seriously, Zuko didn't know who was good and who was evil. But he had a general sense of right and wrong.
| Spike815 wrote: |
| And Aang, HIS father figure died. He was forced into this Avatar job, the whole world resting solely on him. I think you could understand why he might be afraid of that and want to ignore it at times. |
(Sheesh, I take like five minutes to write up a post, and 10 more people post in the meantime, lol. So this post is kinda irrelevant to the previous one, but it does answer the 'why do you like zutara' question)
Well, I just think Zutara will happen because I like the couple, and so I see things in the show that can be interpreted as foreshadowing for the couple. I'm not even going to try to explain any of them, because mean kataangers will just shoot them all down straight away However, this is a lot of things that could be foreshadowing for Zutara, and if they weren't foreshadowing they don't have any real purpose. And if they had no purpose other than to lead Zutarians on, I think that's just cruel - esepcially when this has happened throughout the 3 seasons.
Like Zuko's small smile when he sees Katara in WAT. As he rarely smiles, you could interpret that as he was glad to see her (even though she attacked him earlier). If it was just some random thing, its just pointless for someone who rarely smiles to suddenly smile at someone who quite happily attacked them (other than to stir up Zutarians).
Another reason I like Zutara is because of its fairytale-ness. Yes, Kataang is adorable and like a fairytale too (the hero getting the girl) but I also love the idea of former enemies finding love with each other (Romeo and Juliet, Esmerelda and Phoebus, Oma and Shu, Pochahontas and John Smith, etc etc). People who are supposed to hate each other, and yet slowly recognise the other's better qualities and fall in love. ^_^
So yes, even though I do like Kataang, and it is cute (and....predictable despite how likeable it really is), I honestly prefer Zutara due to the dynamics of their relationship (yes, even though they are enemies it is still called a relationship), and because I just think it would be more interesting if it did happen. So yes, I shall sit here and wave my Zutara flag ^_^
| daveshanFromGMU wrote: |
| I'm not saying that Aang should be punished for being gifted, I'm saying that Zuko and Katara should be rewarded for having the personalities that they have. |
So you're saying they should be rewarded for their struggles by ending up together? That's not much of a reward seeing as how they don't really get along at this moment. Wouldn't the best reward be letting them end up with the person they want to be with instead of forcing them to get together with someone they know very little about?
Also Aang's journey hasn't exactly been a walk in the park either. He's struggled to master 2 out of the 4 elements, and just because it takes him one episode to learn one, doesn't mean he's mastered it. A lot of his training takes place off screen since it would be boring for the audience to watch over and over again, plus there's more story in the show that must be told.
Besides, learning the elements isn't his one and only goal; he also needs to stop a war practically by himself. He's risked his life numerous times by putting himself in peril to save his friends or even total strangers. He's hit plenty of speed bumps (and that's saying something for a guy who can fly) and has struggled as much as Zuko or anyone else in this show ravaged by war and strife.
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And yet in season three, clearly after he's seen how bad the fire nation is and what the war is doing, he hires an assassin to kill Aang? There's being falsely informed, and then there's covering your own rear.
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-Stood up for those amatuer FN soldiers -Saving the helm's man during "The Storm" -Taking the boat into port instead of chasing the Avatar at the end of "The Storm" -Going after his uncle instead of the Avatar in "The Spirit World" -"Zuko Alone". I mean, really, did you forget that entire episode? -Zuko helping Jet and his friends get food for the refugees in "The Serpent's Pass". -Appa, Ba Sing Se, and Lake Laogai. Any of that ring any bells? -Continuously visiting Iroh in jail, even though Iroh wasn't saying anything to him. He even brought Iroh chicken. -"The Western Air Temple" -"The Firebending Masters". He wanted to get his bending back so that he could teach Aang. Seriously, Zuko didn't know who was good and who was evil. But he had a general sense of right and wrong.
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Of course Zuko has done some good things, his whole story has been about redemption and becoming good. That doesn't mean he hasn't done some really selfish and evil stuff. Saying "I'm sorry for imprisoning you and everything Iroh, but please tell me what to do", really doesn't make up for it.
And Zuko has betrayed his prince duties many times. Attacking Zhao, betraying his father, helping the Avatar, etc. Of course those are all justified, but so were Aang's.
| Spike815 wrote: |
| And yet in season three, clearly after he's seen how bad the fire nation is and what the war is doing, he hires an assassin to kill Aang? There's being falsely informed, and then there's covering your own rear. |
Besides, he made up for it when he fought Combustion Man after he told him that his job was over and that he'd be payed double to stop.
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Of course Zuko has done some good things, his whole story has been about redemption and becoming good. That doesn't mean he hasn't done some really selfish and evil stuff. Saying "I'm sorry for imprisoning you and everything Iroh, but please tell me what to do", really doesn't make up for it. |
| Spike815 wrote: |
| And Zuko has betrayed his prince duties many times. Attacking Zhao, |
| Spike815 wrote: |
| betraying his father, |
| Spike815 wrote: |
| helping the Avatar, |
| Spike815 wrote: |
| Of course those are all justified, but so were Aang's. |
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And yet in season three, clearly after he's seen how bad the fire nation is and what the war is doing, he hires an assassin to kill Aang? There's being falsely informed, and then there's covering your own rear.
Of course Zuko has done some good things, his whole story has been about redemption and becoming good. That doesn't mean he hasn't done some really selfish and evil stuff. Saying "I'm sorry for imprisoning you and everything Iroh, but please tell me what to do", really doesn't make up for it. And Zuko has betrayed his prince duties many times. Attacking Zhao, betraying his father, helping the Avatar, etc. Of course those are all justified, but so were Aang's. |
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Besides, he made up for it when he fought Combustion Man after he told him that his job was over and that he'd be payed double to stop.
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Whether Zuko's actions were well-intended or not, he's made a long list of pretty bad things. He even said so himself in WAT. Ever hear of the expression "the end justifies the means?" When he did all that bad stuff, his end was for selfish reasons ergo his means were inappropriate.
Zuko is a cool character, but saying he's always been good is misleading. Good guys make mistakes and have been known to cross the line.
| Spike815 wrote: |
| My arguement is you can't say Zuko lived up to his princly duties, as he clearly did not. Sure they were for good reasons, but so was Aang running away. |
I was using the princly duties thing to show that he had character, even back then. Which, going back to my argument, shows that he deserves a girl like Katara, who also has a lot of character.
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My arguement is you can't say Zuko lived up to his princly duties, as he clearly did not. Sure they were for good reasons, but so was Aang running away. |
| AllKnowingBeing wrote: |
| "Some here have said that war is all glory but boys let me tell you it is all hell."-General Sherman commenting on the Zutara Kataang War |
