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    Axrendale

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    death_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
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    Emotions never completely go away and even if they did it would take a hell of a lot longer then half a year for them to and Katara didn't even have that long so maybe years of separation would cause them to fade (but usually if you think or see the person again they come back) but they dind't fade at all merely changed
    I don't think 30 seconds worth of emotion takes years to go away. Plus, Zuko betrayed her, so it was VERY easy for her to change her mind. Her sympathy evaporated the second she realized he was against her.
    1. It wasn't sympathy in the first place 2. she was trying to understand why he betrayed her ("I thought you changed" -Katara)
    It was definitely sympathy. Katara felt bad that Ozai cursed Zuko with a life like that. She wanted to take away the reminder. She wasn't trying to understand why he betrayed her. Honestly, she didn't care, I'm pretty sure. She seemed angry enough to not have a doubt in her mind that Zuko was the enemy.
    you really don't understand Katara at all, it wasn't sympathy it was empathy AND she saw something in Zuko she didn't see before, then a few minutes later it was gone (because of Azula)

    Unfortunatly (for you) Katara's own commentary on the event in WAT effectively negates your argument. Face it, the only reason she wanted to heal him was because she felt sorry for him. And she was angry because after her sympathy lead her to trust him, he turned around and betrayed her. Her other strong feelings of anger towards him were purely because of the various things to the group (such as playing a big role in the temporary death of the guy she was discovering that she had fallen in love with - Aang).

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    death_soul89

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    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    Actually it was gone because of Zuko. He had a choice, and he chose to go against his uncle's teachings and to betray Katara, who had earlier offered to help her.

    But of course Katara digs that in a guy.

    No her caring CHANGED to hate
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    TheGreatBishop

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    death_soul89 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    Actually it was gone because of Zuko. He had a choice, and he chose to go against his uncle's teachings and to betray Katara, who had earlier offered to help her.

    But of course Katara digs that in a guy.

    No her caring CHANGED to hate
    And the that hate turned to hot steamy love, oh wait it didn't.
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    Axrendale

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    For the record, I do believe in global warming. And it is sympathy. As I said, go back and watch that scene in WAT. For Katara, it's all quite simple: There was a guy who had done a whole bunch of terrible things to her and her friends. When she ended up spending a bit of time with him however, she began to realize why he did what he did, and begins to feel sorry for him. And so she offers to use one of her most prized possessions to try and help him, in the hope that it will help him become a better person. Only he ends up betraying her trust and helping to kill a guy who she's starting to realize that she is in love with (see "The Earth King" and "The Awakening"). How do you think she's going to react next time she sees him? That's why it took so much longer for her to forgive him than it took the others; he had far more to redeem himself for in her eyes than in the eyes of the others.
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    death_soul89

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    Axrendale wrote:
    For the record, I do believe in global warming. And it is sympathy. As I said, go back and watch that scene in WAT. For Katara, it's all quite simple: There was a guy who had done a whole bunch of terrible things to her and her friends. When she ended up spending a bit of time with him however, she began to realize why he did what he did, and begins to feel sorry for him. And so she offers to use one of her most prized possessions to try and help him, in the hope that it will help him become a better person. Only he ends up betraying her trust and helping to kill a guy who she's starting to realize that she is in love with (see "The Earth King" and "The Awakening"). How do you think she's going to react next time she sees him? That's why it took so much longer for her to forgive him than it took the others; he had far more to redeem himself for in her eyes than in the eyes of the others.

    Dude look up empathy already
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    DeeDuck33

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    Empathy means to understand someone's position and situation. How can Katara understand what Zuko's going through? She never felt the type if hurt he's had (she's had her fill of hurt, just not the same type as Zuko's).

    Okay, picture this: Your friend (not a close friend, but someone you would trust to an extent) hits you in the face with a baseball bat. You don't know why, he just ran up to you and smashes your face in as hard as he could (without killing you). Wouldn't your feelings of love for the friend be replaced with anger?
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    Jackson5050

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    I would think Katara was feeling empathetic towards Zuko. They both had a similar experience; they both lost their mothers because of the war. This shared experience was the catalyst for Katara's change in feeling towards Zuko.
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    Axrendale

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    The shared experience of losing a mother was what I saw as the ice breaker; it was what stopped Katara mid-rant, and made her listen to what Zuko was saying. Once you penetrate that surface similarity, their tales are completely different. Katara did not see anything of herself in Zuko so much as she realized what he had been through, and felt sorry for him, and hoped that if she helped him he could become a better person.
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    Jackson5050 wrote:
    I would think Katara was feeling empathetic towards Zuko. They both had a similar experience; they both lost their mothers because of the war. This shared experience was the catalyst for Katara's change in feeling towards Zuko.

    lawl, I forgot about the mothers thing, silly me. But I still think Katara had more sympathy than empathy.
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    death_soul89

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    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    Jackson5050 wrote:
    I would think Katara was feeling empathetic towards Zuko. They both had a similar experience; they both lost their mothers because of the war. This shared experience was the catalyst for Katara's change in feeling towards Zuko.

    lawl, I forgot about the mothers thing, silly me. But I still think Katara had more sympathy than empathy.

    sympathy of what, your corner stone of your arguement was sympathy for Zuko's loss of a his mother but now we have established that part was empathy what was Katara sympathizing
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    Axrendale

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    Axrendale wrote:
    The shared experience of losing a mother was what I saw as the ice breaker; it was what stopped Katara mid-rant, and made her listen to what Zuko was saying. Once you penetrate that surface similarity, their tales are completely different. Katara did not see anything of herself in Zuko so much as she realized what he had been through, and felt sorry for him, and hoped that if she helped him he could become a better person.

    *ahem*

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    Axrendale wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    The shared experience of losing a mother was what I saw as the ice breaker; it was what stopped Katara mid-rant, and made her listen to what Zuko was saying. Once you penetrate that surface similarity, their tales are completely different. Katara did not see anything of herself in Zuko so much as she realized what he had been through, and felt sorry for him, and hoped that if she helped him he could become a better person.

    *ahem*

    I think Katara did see some of herself in him. Personality wise they are both very persistant and puntual about their beliefs. I think she was eventually able to see that they shared a simliar view on things even though they come from different sides of the spectrum.

    Edited on 08/13/2008 11:22pm
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    The shared experience of losing a mother was what I saw as the ice breaker; it was what stopped Katara mid-rant, and made her listen to what Zuko was saying. Once you penetrate that surface similarity, their tales are completely different. Katara did not see anything of herself in Zuko so much as she realized what he had been through, and felt sorry for him, and hoped that if she helped him he could become a better person.

    *ahem*

    I think Katara did see some of herself in him. Personality wise they are both very persistant and puntual about their beliefs. I think she was eventually able to see that they shared a simliar view on things even though they come from different sides of the spectrum.

    I'm not so sure of that. To me their personalities and approaches to obstacles have come off as very different. But hey, the people wrote this show probably didn't put nearly as much thought into this as we did; more than half of the effect is the viewers interpretation.

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    Axrendale wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    The shared experience of losing a mother was what I saw as the ice breaker; it was what stopped Katara mid-rant, and made her listen to what Zuko was saying. Once you penetrate that surface similarity, their tales are completely different. Katara did not see anything of herself in Zuko so much as she realized what he had been through, and felt sorry for him, and hoped that if she helped him he could become a better person.

    *ahem*

    I think Katara did see some of herself in him. Personality wise they are both very persistant and puntual about their beliefs. I think she was eventually able to see that they shared a simliar view on things even though they come from different sides of the spectrum.

    I'm not so sure of that. To me their personalities and approaches to obstacles have come off as very different. But hey, the people wrote this show probably didn't put nearly as much thought into this as we did; more than half of the effect is the viewers interpretation.

    True. Sometimes I tend to over-anylize things.

    Haha I wonder if the creators ever read these forums and go "wtf it's just a kids show" lol

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    The shared experience of losing a mother was what I saw as the ice breaker; it was what stopped Katara mid-rant, and made her listen to what Zuko was saying. Once you penetrate that surface similarity, their tales are completely different. Katara did not see anything of herself in Zuko so much as she realized what he had been through, and felt sorry for him, and hoped that if she helped him he could become a better person.

    *ahem*

    I think Katara did see some of herself in him. Personality wise they are both very persistant and puntual about their beliefs. I think she was eventually able to see that they shared a simliar view on things even though they come from different sides of the spectrum.

    I'm not so sure of that. To me their personalities and approaches to obstacles have come off as very different. But hey, the people wrote this show probably didn't put nearly as much thought into this as we did; more than half of the effect is the viewers interpretation.

    True. Sometimes I tend to over-anylize things.

    Haha I wonder if the creators ever read these forums and go "wtf it's just a kids show" lol
    True, this show does make people think...but what other kids show make you do that? You don't see Spongebob forum people going, "In the first episode, Spongebob annoys Squidward...OMG!! That was foreshadowing!!!!! Squidward hates Spongebob for the rest of the series!!!!! Breakthrough!!"
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    rockon45 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    The shared experience of losing a mother was what I saw as the ice breaker; it was what stopped Katara mid-rant, and made her listen to what Zuko was saying. Once you penetrate that surface similarity, their tales are completely different. Katara did not see anything of herself in Zuko so much as she realized what he had been through, and felt sorry for him, and hoped that if she helped him he could become a better person.

    *ahem*

    I think Katara did see some of herself in him. Personality wise they are both very persistant and puntual about their beliefs. I think she was eventually able to see that they shared a simliar view on things even though they come from different sides of the spectrum.

    I'm not so sure of that. To me their personalities and approaches to obstacles have come off as very different. But hey, the people wrote this show probably didn't put nearly as much thought into this as we did; more than half of the effect is the viewers interpretation.

    True. Sometimes I tend to over-anylize things.

    Haha I wonder if the creators ever read these forums and go "wtf it's just a kids show" lol
    True, this show does make people think...but what other kids show make you do that? You don't see Spongebob forum people going, "In the first episode, Spongebob annoys Squidward...OMG!! That was foreshadowing!!!!! Squidward hates Spongebob for the rest of the series!!!!! Breakthrough!!"
    A lot of other "kid shows" do that. Look Justice League, no the entire DCAU for an example of that.
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    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    rockon45 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    The shared experience of losing a mother was what I saw as the ice breaker; it was what stopped Katara mid-rant, and made her listen to what Zuko was saying. Once you penetrate that surface similarity, their tales are completely different. Katara did not see anything of herself in Zuko so much as she realized what he had been through, and felt sorry for him, and hoped that if she helped him he could become a better person.

    *ahem*

    I think Katara did see some of herself in him. Personality wise they are both very persistant and puntual about their beliefs. I think she was eventually able to see that they shared a simliar view on things even though they come from different sides of the spectrum.

    I'm not so sure of that. To me their personalities and approaches to obstacles have come off as very different. But hey, the people wrote this show probably didn't put nearly as much thought into this as we did; more than half of the effect is the viewers interpretation.

    True. Sometimes I tend to over-anylize things.

    Haha I wonder if the creators ever read these forums and go "wtf it's just a kids show" lol
    True, this show does make people think...but what other kids show make you do that? You don't see Spongebob forum people going, "In the first episode, Spongebob annoys Squidward...OMG!! That was foreshadowing!!!!! Squidward hates Spongebob for the rest of the series!!!!! Breakthrough!!"
    A lot of other "kid shows" do that. Look Justice League, no the entire DCAU for an example of that.
    I meant like "kid kid" shows, like te stuff on Nick, and Disney. But yeah, good point.
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    isabelwhatx

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    Katara felt sympathy AND empathy for Zuko. She could understand his pain about the loss of his mother and she sympathized with him for what he's been through with his father. It's in her nature to sympathize.
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    Dafoose

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    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    Jackson5050 wrote:
    I would think Katara was feeling empathetic towards Zuko. They both had a similar experience; they both lost their mothers because of the war. This shared experience was the catalyst for Katara's change in feeling towards Zuko.

    lawl, I forgot about the mothers thing, silly me. But I still think Katara had more sympathy than empathy.

    I'm feeling...Apathetic towards the empathy and the sympathy flying back and forth...

    I don't if it was discussed, but when I saw the finale, the only thing I heard one time from my friends was...

    "ZUTARA!!! OMFG!!! WTH!! I KNEW IT!!! OMG OMG OMG!!!"

    And on behalf of the Azula/Kataang fans, we were all cracking up when Azula started gushing fire when Zuko and Katara were having their "moment."
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