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    KikitheFiend

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    kamzts wrote:
    Didnt the book have a more disciptive thing about the avatar state? I loved the ending for Kataang but im still wondering if she really was confused in the ember island players. maybe she wasnt maybe she didnt want to be with aang at the time becase she knew it would distract aang from defeating ozai (too late) but i still think she was unsure but it took her a while to be sure. (according to the book when kataang finally happens thats several months after the firelord is deveated)
    I haven't read the book so cannot answer you entirely. In regards to the Ember Island Players, I think she was more unsure because she was protecting herself. If she allowed herself to admit her feelings; it would have hurt that much more had Aang been killed.
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    kamzts

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    KikitheFiend wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    Didnt the book have a more disciptive thing about the avatar state? I loved the ending for Kataang but im still wondering if she really was confused in the ember island players. maybe she wasnt maybe she didnt want to be with aang at the time becase she knew it would distract aang from defeating ozai (too late) but i still think she was unsure but it took her a while to be sure. (according to the book when kataang finally happens thats several months after the firelord is deveated)
    I haven't read the book so cannot answer you entirely. In regards to the Ember Island Players, I think she was more unsure because she was protecting herself. If she allowed herself to admit her feelings; it would have hurt that much more had Aang been killed.


    i dont get it
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    tomtitan

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    I think she did love Aang all along, or at least for quite a while. The problem was she didn't want to begin a relationship until after the war had ended because they had more important things to worry about. After the war ended there was nothing stopping them getting together.
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    KikitheFiend

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    kamzts wrote:
    KikitheFiend wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    Didnt the book have a more disciptive thing about the avatar state? I loved the ending for Kataang but im still wondering if she really was confused in the ember island players. maybe she wasnt maybe she didnt want to be with aang at the time becase she knew it would distract aang from defeating ozai (too late) but i still think she was unsure but it took her a while to be sure. (according to the book when kataang finally happens thats several months after the firelord is deveated)
    I haven't read the book so cannot answer you entirely. In regards to the Ember Island Players, I think she was more unsure because she was protecting herself. If she allowed herself to admit her feelings; it would have hurt that much more had Aang been killed.


    i dont get it
    Think about it, if she had admitted her true feelings before Aang had faced the Fire Lord, the heartache of him not returning would be almost unbearable. She was confused as she couldn't decide whether or not to allow herself to be vulnerable.
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    Spacerac

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    speechless8582 wrote:
    bad writing? are you serious? *sigh* i give up.
    these people are stubborn. They don't see how much cliche Zutara really is too. It's the standard romance movie paring. Honestly, I gave up a long time ago. I just enjoy the show.
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    DanSandwichBoy

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    tomtitan wrote:
    Dante, love the new pics. Move over Heath Ledger, there's a new Joker in town.

    [shrug] Meh, IMHO though, Mark Hamill will always be THE Joker.

    To LondonParisNYC and dantedones (I'd include the quote pyramid, but it's apparently making my tags "not well formatted), you were kids once, too, you know. How would you have felt if someone went around calling you dumb?

    Anyway, that aside, here's my latest ship list.

    Kataang
    Zutara (sibling)
    Zukaang (sibling)
    Zukka (sibling)
    Toko (sibling, making Zuko like a big brother to the whole gAang XD)
    Maiko
    The Dukeeng (Meeng, that girl from the Fortune Teller episode)
    The Dukoph (sibling)
    Teoph
    Smellershot
    Yuela
    Pakanna (Pakka and Gran-Gran, hey it's canon now)
    Moppa
    Harustache

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    EmoHaruno

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    Spacerac wrote:
    these people are stubborn. They don't see how much cliche Zutara really is too. It's the standard romance movie paring. Honestly, I gave up a long time ago. I just enjoy the show.
    Here, here! Best statement of today
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    ChibiMaddiChan

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    Spacerac wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    bad writing? are you serious? *sigh* i give up.
    these people are stubborn. They don't see how much cliche Zutara really is too. It's the standard romance movie paring. Honestly, I gave up a long time ago. I just enjoy the show.

    LMFAO, it's just as cliche` as the Kataang ship. The "Ying/Yang" ship: two people who hate/dislike each other at first, later become romantically involved. That crap happens in tons of shows as well (Anymone remember Maxine and Kyle from In Living Single? That 1993/94 show?) Heck, the movie 'Romancing the Stone'? I mean honestly, you can't get upset if a ship where the only proof was people reading way too much into scenes and completely ignoring actual scenes that happened didn't sail. If the crap didn't work in Harry Potter and it wasn't going to work here, and just because it didn't doesn't mean (in both cases) that it was 'bad writing'. Had the ship sailed, THAT would have been bad writing. "Let's make all these ridiculous references to a completely different ship, including hand holding, goofy akward glares with blushing, kisses, realization moments...only to go completely WTF left field and ship one of the characters with someone else!"

    Now I could understand if they'd spent as much time, effort, and scenes honestly shipping Zutara and then the ship didn't sail. Like evidence that one or the other honestly liked the other, whether it be scenes like with Katara, where blushing and such occured or with Aang when he outright said it. (It was OBVIOUS in Avatar if someone liked another person, all the digging, reading between the lines, and assume wasn't needed 99% of the time.) But honestly (for example): just because Katara hugged Zuko because she helped him does NOT = in love. Good lord, if that's the case then Katara is a **** along with a few "other" issues since she hugs quite a few people.

    Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Zutara fans (or the sane) ones, but come on. There was no bad writing going on, just common sense. And common sense dictates that when you spend a lot of effort making two characters seemingly like each other (and obviously so), then ship one of the characters with another person entirely when not even half the effort, let alone the same amount, wasn't applied. (Not to mention when said other person is in another relationship that obviously hasn't ended and pretty much only ended in reguards to protect the other person.)

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    LondonParisNYC

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    Chairunisa wrote:

    I know this so subjective but honestly why there are the moments between zuko and katara, like the B & M want to make e/body happy but to fail...I hope (I got info that there are mini series of avatar) B & M will undo the mistake and make the realtionship between Aang and Katara more real and life so the same with zuko and Mai even I know that Avatar is not romantic story but I can't help myself to see that the romatic parts is the fuel for the this show.

    yeah, and even though that would be great if they made it more realistic, that's really not what the show is all about. if anything its a very small aspect. also, it's a kid's show, and kid's really don't understand that kind of relationship complexity.

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    kamzts

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    ChibiMaddiChan wrote:

    Spacerac wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    bad writing? are you serious? *sigh* i give up.
    these people are stubborn. They don't see how much cliche Zutara really is too. It's the standard romance movie paring. Honestly, I gave up a long time ago. I just enjoy the show.

    LMFAO, it's just as cliche` as the Kataang ship. The "Ying/Yang" ship: two people who hate/dislike each other at first, later become romantically involved. That crap happens in tons of shows as well (Anymone remember Maxine and Kyle from In Living Single? That 1993/94 show?) Heck, the movie 'Romancing the Stone'? I mean honestly, you can't get upset if a ship where the only proof was people reading way too much into scenes and completely ignoring actual scenes that happened didn't sail. If the crap didn't work in Harry Potter and it wasn't going to work here, and just because it didn't doesn't mean (in both cases) that it was 'bad writing'. Had the ship sailed, THAT would have been bad writing. "Let's make all these ridiculous references to a completely different ship, including hand holding, goofy akward glares with blushing, kisses, realization moments...only to go completely WTF left field and ship one of the characters with someone else!"

    Now I could understand if they'd spent as much time, effort, and scenes honestly shipping Zutara and then the ship didn't sail. Like evidence that one or the other honestly liked the other, whether it be scenes like with Katara, where blushing and such occured or with Aang when he outright said it. (It was OBVIOUS in Avatar if someone liked another person, all the digging, reading between the lines, and assume wasn't needed 99% of the time.) But honestly (for example): just because Katara hugged Zuko because she helped him does NOT = in love. Good lord, if that's the case then Katara is a **** along with a few "other" issues since she hugs quite a few people.

    Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Zutara fans (or the sane) ones, but come on. There was no bad writing going on, just common sense. And common sense dictates that when you spend a lot of effort making two characters seemingly like each other (and obviously so), then ship one of the characters with another person entirely when not even half the effort, let alone the same amount, wasn't applied. (Not to mention when said other person is in another relationship that obviously hasn't ended and pretty much only ended in reguards to protect the other person.)



    Agreed!
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    ChibiMaddiChan

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    I have to admit, I didn't like th ending with Kataang: not because the ship happened, but the way it was finally realized. The ending just didn't seem to fit previous episodes, more so the EIP. We can assume all day why Katara didn't want to express her feelings for Aang, but I think it would have been better if they'd gone through the trouble of stating her reasoning. Yes, it would have bothered Aang, but I imagine an answer like "I don't know...I'm confused" didn't help either. Then it just never gets resolved when she changed her mind (if she had too) or what her reasons for her confusion were in the first place. Even though Mai/Zuko had spotty moments, it was still more realistic to understand, even off screen. Sokka/Suki was done very well and the realationship carried, even with the war, so it's not like it couldn't be done.

    Don't get me wrong, if Katara had said "No because of the war", it would have made sense: unlike Sokka, Aang is the Avatar and him dying was a very real and strong possibility. I could understand her not wanting to poor herself completely into a relationship with a person when it's not even known what will happen to him. It would only hurt more. I just think the EIP conversation should have been better or there should have actually been conversation before the kiss, conveying her emotions better.

    It was a nice kiss and done nicely, but I could have seen something like that being done better if her feelings of liking him (but not wanting to get together for a good reason, kinda like how Zuko was with Mai) had been done better.

    Edited on 07/23/2008 10:04am
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    LondonParisNYC

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    ChibiMaddiChan wrote:

    I have to admit, I didn't like th ending with Kataang: not because the ship happened, but the way it did. The ending just didn't seem to fit previous episodes, more so the EIP. We can assume all day why Katara didn't want to express her feelings for Aang, but I think it would have been better if they'd gone through the trouble of stating her reasoning. Yes, it would have bothered Aang, but I imagine an answer like "I don't know...I'm confused" didn't help either. Then it just never gets resolved when she changed her mind (if she had too) or what her reasons for her confusion were in the first place. Even though Mai/Zuko had spotty moments, it was still more realistic to understand, even off screen. Sokka/Suki was done very well and the realationship carried, even with the war, so it's not like it couldn't be done.

    Don't get me wrong, if Katara had said "No because of the war", it would have made sense: unlike Sokka, Aang is the Avatar and him dying was a very real and strong possibility. I could understand her not wanting to poor herself completely into a relationship with a person when it's not even known what will happen to him. It would only hurt more. I just think the EIP conversation should have been better or there should have actually been conversation before the kiss, conveying her emotions better.

    It was a nice kiss and done nicely, but I could have seen something like that being done better if her feelings of liking him (but not wanting to get together for a good reason, kinda like how Zuko was with Mai) had been done better.

    yeah it was kinda senseless. very disconected the in the way that it was done.

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    Spacerac

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Chairunisa wrote:

    I know this so subjective but honestly why there are the moments between zuko and katara, like the B & M want to make e/body happy but to fail...I hope (I got info that there are mini series of avatar) B & M will undo the mistake and make the realtionship between Aang and Katara more real and life so the same with zuko and Mai even I know that Avatar is not romantic story but I can't help myself to see that the romatic parts is the fuel for the this show.

    yeah, and even though that would be great if they made it more realistic, that's really not what the show is all about. if anything its a very small aspect. also, it's a kid's show, and kid's really don't understand that kind of relationship complexity.

    O really? What so complex about Zutara? Would it be them arguing all the time or the hawt angry sex?
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    Spacerac

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    ChibiMaddiChan wrote:

    I have to admit, I didn't like th ending with Kataang: not because the ship happened, but the way it was finally realized. The ending just didn't seem to fit previous episodes, more so the EIP. We can assume all day why Katara didn't want to express her feelings for Aang, but I think it would have been better if they'd gone through the trouble of stating her reasoning. Yes, it would have bothered Aang, but I imagine an answer like "I don't know...I'm confused" didn't help either. Then it just never gets resolved when she changed her mind (if she had too) or what her reasons for her confusion were in the first place. Even though Mai/Zuko had spotty moments, it was still more realistic to understand, even off screen. Sokka/Suki was done very well and the realationship carried, even with the war, so it's not like it couldn't be done.

    Don't get me wrong, if Katara had said "No because of the war", it would have made sense: unlike Sokka, Aang is the Avatar and him dying was a very real and strong possibility. I could understand her not wanting to poor herself completely into a relationship with a person when it's not even known what will happen to him. It would only hurt more. I just think the EIP conversation should have been better or there should have actually been conversation before the kiss, conveying her emotions better.

    It was a nice kiss and done nicely, but I could have seen something like that being done better if her feelings of liking him (but not wanting to get together for a good reason, kinda like how Zuko was with Mai) had been done better.

    I believe the way it was done was meant to be "Katara is confused because she just is/the war." So, when the war was over, Katara was no longer confused and she was just elated that Aang saved the world like she always knew he would, causing the ending scene to happen.
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    kamzts

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    at first I too didnt like the kataang moment because there was no talking then i realized that thats one of the good parts about it they didnt have to talk to kiss or to understand they love eachother.
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    PDKT

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    The fact that Aang ended up with Katara was not how I would have liked the ending to go, but then for Zuko to end up with Mai, well that just ruined the last 5 or so minutes of the movie for me...a complete mismatching of Zuko and Mai...leave them both alone, THAT would be preferable to such an ill-conceived relationship.
    Edited on 07/23/2008 12:02pm
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    speechless8582

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    PDKT wrote:
    The fact that Aang ended up with Katara was not how I would have liked the ending to go, but then for Zuko to end up with Mai, well that just ruined the last 5 or so minutes of the movie for me...a complete mismatching of Zuko and Mai...leave them both alone, THAT would be preferable to such an ill-conceived relationship.
    in your opinion.
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    PDKT

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    Oh of course, if my statement came across as insulting Maiko fans, or calling the relationship itself idiotic, I apologize, I just happen to believe the pairing was not to my liking and I disagree with it, that was all. Far be it from me to put down other pairing fans, while Zutara is blasted by others...I should keep that in mind, sorry.
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    speechless8582

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    PDKT wrote:
    Oh of course, if my statement came across as insulting Maiko fans, or calling the relationship itself idiotic, I apologize, I just happen to believe the pairing was not to my liking and I disagree with it, that was all. Far be it from me to put down other pairing fans, while Zutara is blasted by others...I should keep that in mind, sorry.
    its cool, its cool. agree to disagree. =)
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    PDKT

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    Cool, thanks.
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