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Official Character Relationship Discussion 4

Sokka ship?

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    LondonParisNYC

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    kamzts wrote:
    ChibiMaddiChan wrote:

    Spacerac wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    bad writing? are you serious? *sigh* i give up.
    these people are stubborn. They don't see how much cliche Zutara really is too. It's the standard romance movie paring. Honestly, I gave up a long time ago. I just enjoy the show.

    LMFAO, it's just as cliche` as the Kataang ship. The "Ying/Yang" ship: two people who hate/dislike each other at first, later become romantically involved. That crap happens in tons of shows as well (Anymone remember Maxine and Kyle from In Living Single? That 1993/94 show?) Heck, the movie 'Romancing the Stone'? I mean honestly, you can't get upset if a ship where the only proof was people reading way too much into scenes and completely ignoring actual scenes that happened didn't sail. If the crap didn't work in Harry Potter and it wasn't going to work here, and just because it didn't doesn't mean (in both cases) that it was 'bad writing'. Had the ship sailed, THAT would have been bad writing. "Let's make all these ridiculous references to a completely different ship, including hand holding, goofy akward glares with blushing, kisses, realization moments...only to go completely WTF left field and ship one of the characters with someone else!"

    Now I could understand if they'd spent as much time, effort, and scenes honestly shipping Zutara and then the ship didn't sail. Like evidence that one or the other honestly liked the other, whether it be scenes like with Katara, where blushing and such occured or with Aang when he outright said it. (It was OBVIOUS in Avatar if someone liked another person, all the digging, reading between the lines, and assume wasn't needed 99% of the time.) But honestly (for example): just because Katara hugged Zuko because she helped him does NOT = in love. Good lord, if that's the case then Katara is a **** along with a few "other" issues since she hugs quite a few people.

    Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Zutara fans (or the sane) ones, but come on. There was no bad writing going on, just common sense. And common sense dictates that when you spend a lot of effort making two characters seemingly like each other (and obviously so), then ship one of the characters with another person entirely when not even half the effort, let alone the same amount, wasn't applied. (Not to mention when said other person is in another relationship that obviously hasn't ended and pretty much only ended in reguards to protect the other person.)

    Agreed!

    although i am a zutara fan, this i'm not trying to defent myself, but there is no way you can tell me that the dialgoue and writing for Kataang (not nescarrily that theres anything wrong with the ship) wasn't predictable and dry. It's CLICHE because it's been done 1,000 times over, and there was nothing unique, special, or eloquent about it.

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    LondonParisNYC

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    EmoHaruno wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    these people are stubborn. They don't see how much cliche Zutara really is too. It's the standard romance movie paring. Honestly, I gave up a long time ago. I just enjoy the show.
    Here, here! Best statement of today

    yeah well you have to realize theres a few dif. levels of zutara fan craziness.

    There are those really freaking crazy ones that think that they will like fall in love and be together forever and all that other BS.

    Then there are ones like me who take from a stricly writer's/drama standpoint. It would be great if it was just like a hookup or something, but definatly not like boyfriend/girlfriend. It's not cliche because it's against the morals of something Katara would do, but she does have that dark, vengeful side in her and it's very prevelent.

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    EmoHaruno

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    EmoHaruno wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    these people are stubborn. They don't see how much cliche Zutara really is too. It's the standard romance movie paring. Honestly, I gave up a long time ago. I just enjoy the show.
    Here, here! Best statement of today

    yeah well you have to realize theres a few dif. levels of zutara fan craziness.

    There are those really freaking crazy ones that think that they will like fall in love and be together forever and all that other BS.

    Then there are ones like me who take from a stricly writer's/drama standpoint. It would be great if it was just like a hookup or something, but definatly not like boyfriend/girlfriend. It's not cliche because it's against the morals of something Katara would do, but she does have that dark, vengeful side in her and it's very prevelent.



    Oh, I know. I'm a Zutara shipper...and a sarcastic crackship shipper.
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    Spacerac

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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    EDIT: By the way, get used to saying "Fan fiction is worthwhile and better than canon any day." 'Cause you're going to be saying it for a long time.

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    EmoHaruno

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    Spacerac wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    EDIT: By the way, get used to saying "Fan fiction is worthwhile and better than canon any day." 'Cause you're going to be saying it for a long time.



    But its so true In fanfiction, ANYTHING can happen!
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    Spacerac

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    EmoHaruno wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    EDIT: By the way, get used to saying "Fan fiction is worthwhile and better than canon any day." 'Cause you're going to be saying it for a long time.



    But its so true In fanfiction, ANYTHING can happen!
    lol, you don't really get it, because you weren't there at the time. You have to go to page 101 to understand why that's so funny. XD
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    EmoHaruno

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    Spacerac wrote:
    EmoHaruno wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    EDIT: By the way, get used to saying "Fan fiction is worthwhile and better than canon any day." 'Cause you're going to be saying it for a long time.



    But its so true In fanfiction, ANYTHING can happen!
    lol, you don't really get it, because you weren't there at the time. You have to go to page 101 to understand why that's so funny. XD


    Okay I traveled down to 101... what part has to do with fanfiction?
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    Chairunisa

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    That how I feel too about the ending...same with Chibimaddichan....when I show EIP and how reaction of katara to the Aang's kissing, I just hope that in the next Expisode there are some explanation about the katara's action. Cos from my point of you Katara seems so angry with the"kissing" and abvious that katara didnt like it.

    So why not B & M make the ending with friendship and let the pairing become real accodring to e/body dream..cos there are no time to develop the relationship to realtistic level and become a life..

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    speechless8582

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    Spacerac wrote:
    EmoHaruno wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    EDIT: By the way, get used to saying "Fan fiction is worthwhile and better than canon any day." 'Cause you're going to be saying it for a long time.



    But its so true In fanfiction, ANYTHING can happen!
    lol, you don't really get it, because you weren't there at the time. You have to go to page 101 to understand why that's so funny. XD
    lawlz...
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    LondonParisNYC

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    Chairunisa wrote:

    That how I feel too about the ending...same with Chibimaddichan....when I show EIP and how reaction of katara to the Aang's kissing, I just hope that in the next Expisode there are some explanation about the katara's action. Cos from my point of you Katara seems so angry with the"kissing" and abvious that katara didnt like it.

    So why not B & M make the ending with friendship and let the pairing become real accodring to e/body dream..cos there are no time to develop the relationship to realtistic level and become a life..

    What are you talking about? How she was angry after Aang tried to kiss her after seeing the play? Or at the ending? Because at the ending, I may be no Kataang fan, but she looked pretty damn happy. And there was enough to time to develope the ship, but what do you mean on a realistic level? Not every relationship is like flowers and chocolate in hand, meeting under the pier at sunset, and kissing while slowdancing at the school prom. There is time to develope it, but what's prob throwing you off is the really cheesy/clich?? dialogue/writing regarding their relationship.

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    Chairunisa

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    Katara didnt like Aang kissing her in the episode EIP and there are no further explanation about her feeling...am I right? All I want that there are some explanation why katara had a reaction like that...it could be same as all mentioned reason in this forum ..such as Katara does not want to get hurt if Aang dont make it or something else..

    And when I said realistic level mean that like a building, that should be strong foundation at the first.

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    LondonParisNYC

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    Chairunisa wrote:

    Katara didnt like Aang kissing her in the episode EIP and there are no further explanation about her feeling...am I right? All I want that there are some explanation why katara had a reaction like that...it could be same as all mentioned reason in this forum ..such as Katara does not want to get hurt if Aang dont make it or something else..

    And when I said realistic level mean that like a building, that should be strong foundation at the first.

    ohhh ok. I didn't realize you were talking about that episode. The answer to your question they actually ANSWERED IN THAT EPISODE. When she said she needed to think about it, he went ahead and kissed her anyway, which pissed her off, because she told him she needed time to think and he wasn't listening to her.

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    suss2it

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    Chairunisa wrote:

    Katara didnt like Aang kissing her in the episode EIP and there are no further explanation about her feeling...am I right? All I want that there are some explanation why katara had a reaction like that...it could be same as all mentioned reason in this forum ..such as Katara does not want to get hurt if Aang dont make it or something else..

    And when I said realistic level mean that like a building, that should be strong foundation at the first.

    Basically the writers need to make the road to Kataang bumpy, but they forgot to do that all season, so they just threw it in there. They don't care about shipping as much as some of the fans, so you'll notice that the relationships are cliche, and obvious.
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    Chairunisa

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    So...what I want is the reason why she needed to think about it? why she needs a time to think about it? If you like someone or you love someone and you get a kiss from him/her...even when you dont want it...I dont have to be angry..maybe I just ask for his/her understanding...but this very subjective but commonly...
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    Chairunisa

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    Suss2it, I dont think B & M see the shipping as small portion of the show. Looks at the episode of GURU which pairing between katara and Aang become very important thing. And also in episode of FT which clear it to discuss about the pairing between katara and Aang. As I said before shipping become the fuel for this show.
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    LondonParisNYC

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    suss2it wrote:
    Chairunisa wrote:

    Katara didnt like Aang kissing her in the episode EIP and there are no further explanation about her feeling...am I right? All I want that there are some explanation why katara had a reaction like that...it could be same as all mentioned reason in this forum ..such as Katara does not want to get hurt if Aang dont make it or something else..

    And when I said realistic level mean that like a building, that should be strong foundation at the first.

    Basically the writers need to make the road to Kataang bumpy, but they forgot to do that all season, so they just threw it in there. They don't care about shipping as much as some of the fans, so you'll notice that the relationships are cliche, and obvious.

    agreed x1000 xD

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    suss2it

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    Chairunisa wrote:
    Suss2it, I dont think B & M see the shipping as small portion of the show. Looks at the episode of GURU which pairing between katara and Aang become very important thing. And also in episode of FT which clear it to discuss about the pairing between katara and Aang. As I said before shipping become the fuel for this show.
    That's where you're wrong, in no way is shipping the fuel for the show. A few episodes that dance around an obvious relationship can't really be considered fuel for an entire series. In the Guru, the relationship of Aang & Katara while is important, isn't the main plot of the show, in fact it's far from it. Sure shipping has an influence on the plot, but if you were to take it out of the equation, Avatar would still be an epic show.

    If you ever notice in interviews with Bryke, they don't come out and start talking about shipping, they talk about future plotlines, characterization etc. So saying shipping is the fuel of Avatar, is definitely, well, wrong.
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    Chairunisa

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    maybe you are right about that but IMHO that the pairing take a big part of the show when Yue has to sacrifice her love for sokka for the piece of the world and also Aang has been given same choose in GURU episode..Mai make good dicision to be with zuko agains Azula..and also a little bit about Zuko and Jun..and also how first love of Katara should be crushed due to the war..
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    Chairunisa

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    guys...sorry for bad english...
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    sullentoe

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    Ya know, its sad.... But Aang like Katarra a LOT more than Katarra likes Aang.

    I dont know if this was mentioned, probably was but i just wanted to say that.

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