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Go go me for not being a level one anymore! level three, here I come! (sorry, couldn't resist)
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Go go me for not being a level one anymore! level three, here I come! (sorry, couldn't resist)
It is true! I have level 3
I celebrate xD
| Spacerac wrote: |
| Haven't you heard of friends first? |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| Last time I checked, Zuko and Katara aren't even that. |
As for Katara, no, there isn't any love at the moment. It's pretty much hate. But hey, for Aang, it's just friendship. And if you know anything about girls, you know it's harder to go from a good friend to a boyfriend then it is to go from a hated enemy to a boyfriend.
| Spacerac wrote: |
| Also, Katara has shown some slight hints of liking Aang back but they've all been repeated to death already. We've also already seen that she hates Zuko and will kill him over Aang. That's enough to know that Zutara won't happen right there. Yes there's the classic "he's only been after Aang" defense but the truth of the matter is he's tried to hurt Katara before in battle, and threatened to hurt Sokka as well. The "Stop rubbing your eye" moment was played for laughs and nothing more. It's not meant to be taken as "Katara's motherly to Aang so they won't be together." |
All of the mother moments aren't meant to actually describe how she feels about Aang, but all of her rude sarcasm towards Zuko is meant to do show how she feels about him? Ok, the death threat is another level, and I conceded that point above, but you can't just cross out all of the motherly stuff and still include the rude sarcasm.
| Spacerac wrote: |
| Also, describing Katara as motherly in that episode was mainly referring to how bossy she is to everyone, and even Sokka sees her as her mom most of the time. |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| Add to that the fact that Katara never saw herself as a mother figure towards anyone until Toph called her on it. |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| Also, Kataang is basically the main ship and it has been since the first season, |
1. It's for the fate of the world. The guru would have said "Aang, it's just for while you are in the AS. After that, you can have your attachment again."
2. The waterbending avatar was a full avatar long before he met his fiance. There's no way that she was his attachment.
3. Roku was away from that girl for at least 12 years while he became an avatar. Before that, she, figurtively, didn't know he existed and he hardly had the balls to even talk to her. That could not have been his attachment.
4. Aang has to give her up to get control of the AS, which means letting her go.
| Spacerac wrote: |
| and you can also say that Zutara had several moments where it could have happened as well but it didn't because Zuko used to be a jerk. And, now Zutara has nothing to go on because Katara explicitly stated that one moment they had in the cave together was out of pity. |
Zutara is so gay.
Dude you kissed a girl. That is so gay.
10 points for anyone to get were I quoted that from.
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As for Katara, no, there isn't any love at the moment. It's pretty much hate. But hey, for Aang, it's just friendship. And if you know anything about girls, you know it's harder to go from a good friend to a boyfriend then it is to go from a hated enemy to a boyfriend.
All of the mother moments aren't meant to actually describe how she feels about Aang, but all of her rude sarcasm towards Zuko is meant to do show how she feels about him? Ok, the death threat is another level, and I conceded that point above, but you can't just cross out all of the motherly stuff and still include the rude sarcasm.
1. It's for the fate of the world. The guru would have said "Aang, it's just for while you are in the AS. After that, you can have your attachment again." 2. The waterbending avatar was a full avatar long before he met his fiance. There's no way that she was his attachment. 3. Roku was away from that girl for at least 12 years while he became an avatar. Before that, she, figurtively, didn't know he existed and he hardly had the balls to even talk to her. That could not have been his attachment. 4. Aang has to give her up to get control of the AS, which means letting her go.
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WTf is wrong with you ? Dammit, all the n00bs have joined this forum or what ? Jesusfreak |
| wiseone_777 wrote: |
| Proof that Zutara is going to happen? All I see is "proof"(notice the quotes) that Kataang won't happen. |
Mike and Bryan have said that Katara will either end up with Zuko or Aang*. This means that saying that she will not pick Aang is proof that she will be with Zuzu.
*I'm going by what a lot of people on the board have said. Since they have no reason to lie about this, I trust them.
| Spacerac wrote: |
| When I said friends first, I was saying that at least some people have to be friends first, and I'll add that a lot of the lasting relationships have a transition from friends to more. |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| He let her touch his scar because she said she could heal it, and also because they were actually getting along. He didn't know Song for anything and I don't recall Jin ever trying to touch Zuko's scar. |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| "But hey, for Aang, it's just friendship." It might be just friendship now, but we'll still have to see in the next few episodes. IMO I really don't think that Katara and Aang being hinted at so much over the course of the show will just get torn down like that. (I mean real hints.) |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| For all we know, all the romantic stuff between Aang and Katara happened off screen and won't be shown until the finale (borrowing from WiseLad). |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| I also think that since Aang and Zuko's stories parallel, they also have their own respective love interests. There has been nothing as of yet that shows Zuko broke up with Mai, which would free him up for Zutara if Katara doesn't kill him first. |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| "it's harder to go from a good friend to a boyfriend then it is to go from a hated enemy to a boyfriend." subjective opinion. |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| Also, Zuko was a considerable distance away from Aang when he snapped at him, and plus he couldn't firebend anyway. |
...You make one step backward, one slip up, give me one reason to think you might hurt Aang, and you won't have to worry about your destiny anymore. Because I'll make sure your destiny ends, right then and there. Permanently! Provided that you are within 3 feet of him at the time and/or can still firebend. If one or both of those things don't hold true, feel free to threaten him.
| Spacerac wrote: |
| Katara has acted motherly toward Aang in the past, but Aang gets the least of it. After reading a couple of Kataang essays (I bet some Zutarians don't read all of Kataang essays because they think they're stupid and vice-versa) you could probably also view Katara as actually looking up to Aang, while occasionally getting frustrated with him. |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| I also think that her being motherly included ZUKO in their "Oh let me heal you and make it all better" moment. |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| "1. It's for the fate of the world. The guru would have said "Aang, it's just for while you are in the AS. After that, you can have your attachment again." Bet it turns out to be something Aang had to learn on his own? Therefore making him a stronger Avatar? |
| Spacerac wrote: |
| And Roku could still go in the Avatar State AFTER he got married, meaning that the marriage was definitely an attachment he had to let go of. Therefore, Aang will be a fully realized Avatar and still be able to be with Katara and repopulate the airbenders. (repopulize isn't a word, I learned something new.) |
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Guru Pathik: The Thought chakra is located at the crown of the head. It deals with pure cosmic energy and is blocked by earthly attachment. Meditate on what attaches you to this world. No where does the Guru say you must sacrifice your greatest attachment to achieve this. It's all about overcoming one emotion/idea with another. Truth over lies, insight over illusions, love over grief, COSMIC ENERGY OVER EARTHLY ATTACHMENTS. Aang still has grief, can still still lie, and can still be fooled. Stands to reason he can still have an earthly attachment (love, for Katara), if he learns that his cosmic duty is more important. |
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i prefer noobs
they want to talk about avatar and not spongebob or nick
p.s. Go Go power rangers!
p.s.s. can u please explain to me the reasoning behind zutara.
Spike, you are right. No where IN WHAT YOU QUOTED does it say that he has to give up his attachment. However, what you forgot to quote was where he said "Now, let all of those attachments go. Let them flow down the river; forgotten." And let's not forget when he said "Learn to let her go or you cannot let the pure cosmic energies flow in from the universe." That sounds pretty you-need-to-sacrifice-it to me.
See, I remembered that and ignored it because you blatently ignored everything else that was said. Seriously, you guys complain about straw-clutching, but you flat-out ignore stuff like this. I know that I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but it's the truth. Call my theories as radical as you want, say that Zuko and Katara don't have enough time to become boyfriend and girlfriend, but for every god's sake, stop blatently ignoring what get's said in the show. Spike, what I just quoted was less than one freaking minute after what you quoted.
Really, man, I'm not going to pay attention to some who has that selective of hearing.
| daveshanFromGMU wrote: |
| Spike, you are right. No where IN WHAT YOU QUOTED does it say that he has to give up his attachment. However, what you forgot to quote was where he said "Now, let all of those attachments go. Let them flow down the river; forgotten." And let's not forget when he said "Learn to let her go or you cannot let the pure cosmic energies flow in from the universe." That sounds pretty you-need-to-sacrifice-it to me. See, I remembered that and ignored it because you blatently ignored everything else that was said. Seriously, you guys complain about straw-clutching, but you flat-out ignore stuff like this. I know that I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but it's the truth. Call my theories as radical as you want, say that Zuko and Katara don't have enough time to become boyfriend and girlfriend, but for every god's sake, stop blatently ignoring what get's said in the show. Spike, what I just quoted was less than one freaking minute after what you quoted. Really, man, I'm not going to pay attention to some who has that selective of hearing. |
That implies you keep both, whilst favoring one: ie. His Avatar duty comes before Katara.
And 1 minute or 2 before: Guru: Let the pain flow away. Very good.
So obviously, Aang can no longer feel pain. Or anger, or fear, or tell lies, or be lied to, or have earthly attachments. Yet even AFTER he unlocked the first 6 chakras, he expresses all these.
Don't say I have selective hearing good sir. I have AS facts spanning the show on my side, you have a theory based on a sentence by the Guru.
| Spike815 wrote: |
| I've said this before too, Aang does not "temporarily give Katara up." It's ALWAYS world balance > Katara. Katara must ALWAYS come second to the safety of the world. That's why it's so hard for him, he thinks Katara is more important than the fate of the world. Just like Avatar Roku, the safety of his entire village came before the safety of his wife. If Aang can accept it, bam, Avatar State control. And would Katara really have a problem with this? |
Before I begin, Spacerac, do you like my new avatar?
| Spike815 wrote: |
Then why 2 seconds later does Aang say: Why would I choose cosmic energy OVER Katara? |
However, since you have brought us to the topic of exact wording, what do you think of my claim that Sokka's statement about Aang at the end of "The Fortuneteller" is meaningless because he said that Aang was "one powerful bender" and "what a powerful bender", but not a "very powerful bender" like Katara's future husband is supposed to be? After all, Aunt Wu's fortunes have to be taken in exact wording.
| Spike815 wrote: |
| That implies you keep both, whilst favoring one: ie. His Avatar duty comes before Katara. |
| Spike815 wrote: |
| And 1 minute or 2 before: Guru: Let the pain flow away. Very good. So obviously, Aang can no longer feel pain. Or anger, or fear, or tell lies, or be lied to, or have earthly attachments. Yet even AFTER he unlocked the first 6 chakras, he expresses all these. Don't say I have selective hearing good sir. I have AS facts spanning the show on my side, you have a theory based on a sentence by the Guru. |
Oh yeah, my... wait, wait. *reads the post over again to make sure I'm getting this right*
... my theory based on a sentence by the Guru. Again, facepalm. You know what? I'll skip the nit picking that it was two sentences (only putting it here because I'm petty) and instead show you why that comment makes no sense.
THE GURU IS EVERYONE'S SOURCE AS TO HOW TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE AVATAR STATE! You can't just keep ignoring the things you don't like to hear. You have to take in everything that the Guru says. If, for some reason, you think that the Guru isn't a good source for how to get to the AS the right way, that's one thing. It's crazy, but it's one thing. However, you've already cited the Guru plenty of times. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You guys are blatantly ignoring the things in the show that go against Aang and Katara being together.
It doesn't matter if it was one sentence or 100. The guru said it. The only people who would have higher knowledge of the AS would be past avatars themselves. So, the only way you can get out of any part of what he said is to cite where a past avatar said "No, that part isn't true."
I have to mention this:
Copy and paste from the interview with Mike and Bryan:
BK: "The Guru" was an idea I'd had pretty early on and had pitched to Mike and Aaron during season two. Aang's gone through and done some pretty intense things, especially when he's in the Avatar State. Most series might gloss over that stuff and just move on the plot, but I wanted an episode where he had to stop and think though these things he'd been through. See how they were affecting him, his psychology. I just wanted a mid-point break, but Mike and Aaron really liked the idea of using it as a set-up for the big finale. That made it a little more intense. So Mike and I wrote that one, and he directed 220.
MDD: Partially because one of our directors had left, and there was an opening. The workload was also slightly lighter for me because the writing had wrapped up. So I thought I'd grab my chance to direct again. I'd directed before on Family Guy, King of the Hill, and shows like that, so I definitely missed that hands-on approach to making the episodes. A lot of episodes we write, I wish I could direct.
BK: What we can say is we're doing the same on the last two episodes of Season Three. Mike and I and Aaron are very involved in those too.
We just have to be patient
