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    libraman_92

    [201]Aug 26, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    I'm drawing a blank at the moment. Anyone got anything?


    nope.
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    isabelwhatx

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    All I can think about is the Revolutionary War and the Civil War.

    Revolutionary War:
    The British were so powerful and confident. It made the most sense that they would win. Surprisingly, however, they lost to the under dog. The British = Ozai. Patriots = Aang and everyone else. Not a very big connection, but it's SOMETHING.

    Civil War:
    As I've mentioned before; TOTAL WAR. Ozai tried to burn down a whole entire area, and something similar to that was achieved in the Civil War.

    Sorry for the ridic. loose connections, but it's better than nothing,
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    Axrendale

    [203]Aug 26, 2008
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    I might have something. I think Emperor Augustus of the Roman Empire might actually be a fairly good match for Ozai. I'm coming up with some stuff now.
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    rgc19

    [204]Aug 26, 2008
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    Hell, this might be a pull, but I'm gonna say Jet reminds me of de Valera to Aang's Michael Collins. For anyone unfamiliar with Irish history, Collins helped end Irish resistance to British oppression by helping orchestrate a landmark treaty that would stop the violence but made major concessions to Britain. Eamon de Valera, on the other hand led the opposition to the treaty and some (conspiracy hats on everyone) believe he had a hand in Collins's assassination in 1922. (Jet tries to kill Aang, or at least he fights him). So in general Jet is the uncompromising, violent revolutionary in contrast to Aang, the peacemaker and his gaang (Sinn Fein). Sure, the history played out differently (and that's a whole 'nother story), but I think I see a basic resemblance.

    Edited on 08/29/2008 4:08pm
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    Axrendale

    [205]Aug 26, 2008
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    rgc19 wrote:

    Hell, this might be a pull, but I'm gonna say Jet reminds me of de Valera to Aang's Michael Collins. For anyone unfamiliar with Irish history, Collins helped end Irish resistance to British oppression by helping orchestrate a landmark treaty that would stop the violence but made major concessions to Britain. Eamon de Valera, on the other hand led the opposition to the treaty and some (conspiracy hats on everyone) believed he had a hand in Collins's assassination in 1922. (Jet tries to kill Aang, or at least he fights him). So in general Jet is the uncompromising, violent revolutionary in contrast to Aang, the peacemaker and his gaang (Sinn Fein). Sure, the history played out differently (and that's a whole 'nother story), but I think I see a basic resemblance.

    Good one

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    rgc19

    [206]Aug 26, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    rgc19 wrote:

    Hell, this might be a pull, but I'm gonna say Jet reminds me of de Valera to Aang's Michael Collins. For anyone unfamiliar with Irish history, Collins helped end Irish resistance to British oppression by helping orchestrate a landmark treaty that would stop the violence but made major concessions to Britain. Eamon de Valera, on the other hand led the opposition to the treaty and some (conspiracy hats on everyone) believed he had a hand in Collins's assassination in 1922. (Jet tries to kill Aang, or at least he fights him). So in general Jet is the uncompromising, violent revolutionary in contrast to Aang, the peacemaker and his gaang (Sinn Fein). Sure, the history played out differently (and that's a whole 'nother story), but I think I see a basic resemblance.

    Good one

    Thanks. And we'll call that town that Jet tried to destroy (did it have a name?) Belfast.

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    Axrendale

    [207]Aug 26, 2008
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    rgc19 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    rgc19 wrote:

    Hell, this might be a pull, but I'm gonna say Jet reminds me of de Valera to Aang's Michael Collins. For anyone unfamiliar with Irish history, Collins helped end Irish resistance to British oppression by helping orchestrate a landmark treaty that would stop the violence but made major concessions to Britain. Eamon de Valera, on the other hand led the opposition to the treaty and some (conspiracy hats on everyone) believed he had a hand in Collins's assassination in 1922. (Jet tries to kill Aang, or at least he fights him). So in general Jet is the uncompromising, violent revolutionary in contrast to Aang, the peacemaker and his gaang (Sinn Fein). Sure, the history played out differently (and that's a whole 'nother story), but I think I see a basic resemblance.

    Good one

    Thanks. And we'll call that town that Jet tried to destroy (did it have a name?) Belfast.

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    rgc19

    [208]Aug 27, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    rgc19 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    rgc19 wrote:

    Hell, this might be a pull, but I'm gonna say Jet reminds me of de Valera to Aang's Michael Collins. For anyone unfamiliar with Irish history, Collins helped end Irish resistance to British oppression by helping orchestrate a landmark treaty that would stop the violence but made major concessions to Britain. Eamon de Valera, on the other hand led the opposition to the treaty and some (conspiracy hats on everyone) believed he had a hand in Collins's assassination in 1922. (Jet tries to kill Aang, or at least he fights him). So in general Jet is the uncompromising, violent revolutionary in contrast to Aang, the peacemaker and his gaang (Sinn Fein). Sure, the history played out differently (and that's a whole 'nother story), but I think I see a basic resemblance.

    Good one

    Thanks. And we'll call that town that Jet tried to destroy (did it have a name?) Belfast.

    Oh, I forgot. Ozai'd make a mean Churchill. And Azula is the queen. And Zuko would be... hmm... I'll get back to you on that one.

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    rgc19

    [209]Aug 28, 2008
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    The fire nation I think has always drawn obvious comparisons to Japan, but I think I see a little colonial Britain in them as well. The colonies, of course, but also the general imperialist attitude, distinctive infantry uniforms, and the bad teeth.
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    Axrendale

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    rgc19 wrote:
    The fire nation I think has always drawn obvious comparisons to Japan, but I think I see a little colonial Britain in them as well. The colonies, of course, but also the general imperialist attitude, distinctive infantry uniforms, and the bad teeth.

    Bad teeth? I never noticed bad teeth? To me, the FN has always represented good hygiene as an ideal. Or mabye that's just Azula...

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    tomtitan

    [211]Aug 29, 2008
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    Wow, just read through the entire thread and I gotta say, very interesting.

    The point I'd like to make is about Ba Sing Se. There was a lot of discussion as to what it was most like, some saying Troy, some saying Constantinopole and some saying the Great Wall of China. Actually, Bryke said they modelled it after the Forbidden City in China but don't let that stop you. XD

    No, for me the Troy parallel works best. With Azula being the Trojan Horse. XD

    Also, anyone care to bring up the Luck of Troy? I don't know if it was real or not but I heard a story that inside a temple in Troy there was a part of a meteorite that had fallen to Earth ages ago, and it was believed that as long as that meteorite was held by Troy the city could never fall.

    Shortly before the Trojan Horse, one of the Greek heroes snuck into the city and stole it and the rest, as they say, is history.
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    Axrendale

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    tomtitan wrote:
    Wow, just read through the entire thread and I gotta say, very interesting. The point I'd like to make is about Ba Sing Se. There was a lot of discussion as to what it was most like, some saying Troy, some saying Constantinopole and some saying the Great Wall of China. Actually, Bryke said they modelled it after the Forbidden City in China but don't let that stop you. XD No, for me the Troy parallel works best. With Azula being the Trojan Horse. XD Also, anyone care to bring up the Luck of Troy? I don't know if it was real or not but I heard a story that inside a temple in Troy there was a part of a meteorite that had fallen to Earth ages ago, and it was believed that as long as that meteorite was held by Troy the city could never fall. Shortly before the Trojan Horse, one of the Greek heroes snuck into the city and stole it and the rest, as they say, is history.

    Really? That's interesting.

    Since we're talking about Azula being the Trojan horse, there's also the part of the legend where, as the Trojans were dragging the horse into the city, a wise old man threw a rock at the horse, revealing that it was hollow. He told the Trojans that they should not trust the Greeks, and that it would be far better to burn the horse than bring it into the city. The man was a prophet who had aided the Trojans well in the past, but for some strange reason they completely ignored him, prefering to believe the story a "captured" Greek spy had told them about the people who held the horse winning the war.

    It's kind of similar to the way Zuko ignored Iroh's wise advice, and chose instead to believe Azula's comforting lies.

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    tomtitan

    [213]Aug 29, 2008
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    Apparently there was a person in Troy named Cassandra who was blessed with the gift of prophecy, yet also cursed with the burden that no one would ever believe her, so she warned the citizens of the true nature of the horse, but no one believed her.

    When your source of information is the Ilyad, mythology and real history become intertwined.
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    isabelwhatx

    [214]Aug 29, 2008
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    God, do I love this thread
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    libraman_92

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    God, do I love this thread


    I LOVE IT SO MUCH!!! XD
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    Axrendale

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    Yay, love for the thread

    It's a bit late, but anyway:

    This thread is hereby dedicated to Azula; the biggest history freak in Avatar the Last Airbender

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    isabelwhatx

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    Axrendale wrote:

    Yay, love for the thread

    It's a bit late, but anyway:

    This thread is hereby dedicated to Azula; the biggest history freak in Avatar the Last Airbender


    Lol. I can't think of anything more to discuss that relates to Avatar history-wise.
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    tomtitan

    [218]Aug 30, 2008
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    I can't think of anything.

    No one can. It's pretty much entirely Axrendale.

    Ax, THINK OF SOMETHING NEW!
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    Axrendale

    [219]Aug 30, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    I can't think of anything. No one can. It's pretty much entirely Axrendale. Ax, THINK OF SOMETHING NEW!

    Okay - working on it. I think I've found something - I'll do some quick research. I'll post it tommorow.

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    tomtitan

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    macman954754 wrote:
    i am surprised that no one else has mentioned this... the white lotus society is much like the free masons of today. sure there are no great lodges that the lotus people hang in, but the secrecy, messages, and power are much like the masons today.
    When I first heard of the Order of the White Lotus it reminded me of the Dan Brown Illuminati-Templars-Masons-type craze that happened a few years back. I thought 'oh great, Avatar's jumped on the secret society bandwagon!'

    So srsly, the OWL can be compared to any secret society. Take your pick.

    Axrendale wrote:
    To try and kick some life back into this thread, I would like to point out that modelling the Sun Warriors in the Firebending Masters after the Aztecs was a very accurate choice, as the Aztecs worshipped the sun as their primary god. Also notable is the fact that Japan, regarded by many as an influence on the Fire Nation, was in history often known as the "Land of the Rising Sun", due to its location to the east of China.
    Going by that logic it would've been better to have them be Egyptian, as the Egyptians were totally obsessed with the sun god Ra, not to mention they lived in the desert. But the Aztecs were a better choice because they lived in the Jungle, which is more Fire Nation-ish. If they lived in the Earth Kingdom the Egyptians would have been the better choice.
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