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oh hell no. who the hell do you think you are to accuse me of this kind of passive-aggressive bull? i don't play those games. if my only beef was with the fact that zutara didn't happen then that's exactly what i would be complaining about. the fact of the matter is i read the spoilers way ahead of time and i already knew kataang was coming. i watched the remaining episodes with this assumption in mind actively looking for it to fit. i watched the entire finale waiting to see how they resolved kataang, how they dealt with katara's confused feelings, what consequences there would be for aang shirking his responsibilities and choosing his own earthly attachment to her. they ignored all of these points. aang ignored the wisdom of everyone around him, the guru, the past avatars, even teh gaang told him he had to kill the fire lord. then pulled a half-baked plot device out of his nowhere with no previous explanation or introduction, and ended up suffering no consequences for his childish selfishness. yes, it was selfish of him to choose the girl he had a crush on over the fate of the world, and it was selfish of him to let his personal scruples about life being sacred further jeopardize the world. and to top it all off, he suddenly gets the girl with no resolution of conflict and no confrontation. she just flies into his arms without a word like she's compensation for services rendered. my beef with the ending isn't that kataang happened and zutara didn't. it's that the hero of the story didn't mature at all, many of his actions had no consequences, and he ended up winning by being childish and selfish, and ignoring those who had been helping him all along. it was badly written regardless of what ship you're rooting for. so think things over before you start slinging accusations at people who don't agree with you.

people are still discussing ships. its sorta sad that people continue to argue when the ships have already been set in stone

right out of the bat in the initial post LPN made it about Kat's decision to correspond Aang's feelings

people are still discussing ships. its sorta sad that people continue to argue when the ships have already been set in stone

people are still discussing ships. its sorta sad that people continue to argue when the ships have already been set in stone

LondonParisNYC wrote:

I don't if anyone takes it as far as me, but i was wondering if anyone caught any inconsistancies or glitches in a characters profile (out of character.) For example, Katara is usually thinks things out to last degree, so where did her sudden descision to love Aang come from. Not saying that there's anything wrong with Kataang, just wondering why she didn't become troubled or ponder it like she normally does with big descions. It seemed out of character.

Yeah. Too late for that. I'm sure it just "happens" to be a "mere coincidence" that the topic starter is a Zutara shipper.Granted, s/he didn't say there was anything wrong with Kataang, but it's still insulting the work put into this thing.

As for me telling you where your opinions are coming from, again, that's how I see it. If you don't see it that way, well then, but like I said, that's what I'm seeing. That's my opinion.

LeonMorado wrote:

like i already said, i already knew kataang was coming, so if i was gonna whine about it i would have done so a long time ago. it's not THAT kataang happened, it's HOW kataang happened. aang ignored the guru's advice and chose his crush over mastering the avatar state, the result of which should have been his inability to master the avatar state. he still magically unlocks his last ckakra by falling backwards onto a rock. that's not a plot twist, it's just lazy writing. aang ignored teh wisdom of four past avatars because "all life is precious" despite the fact that the situation obviously spelled out much more death and destruction if he didn't, and instead of having him face this dilemma, the writers throw a deus ex machina at us and call it a day. and all your kataang fluff and claims that she was always attracted to him can't stand up to the fact that she stated herself on the episode before the finale that she didn't know how she felt about aang. not that she was interested, not that she wasn't interested, but that she didn't know. again, this isn't dealt with, it's simply ignored and she's suddenly in love with aang. i found aang's entire role in the ending to be just one lame contrivance after another, and i have some damn legitimate reasons for not liking it, so i'd appreciate it if you didn't try to invalidate my criticism of your precious cartoon with this condescending "oh you're just bitter because your ship lost" bull. jsut because you were impressed, doesn't mean everyone else has to be.

I'll invalidate your criticism if I want to. What, I can't criticize your criticism? lol. I dis/respected (though not agreeing with) your opinion enough not to say anything on your blog. Here, in the forums, it's fair game. As for that deal with the rock, honestly I'm not quite sure about why that was executed that way, but they wouldn't have put that in there without an explanation, be it at the comic con or on nick.com if they choose to write one. I'm betting on nick.com because they explained more thoroughly what happened with the Avatar State after the second season finale. I just decided to think about it and make it plausible with my own theory afterwards out of my own choosing. Maybe they could have explained it better in the show, but as far as I'm concerned, they didn't, so oh well.

They keep track of everything they write about them and how they draw them. They're professionals in this business and I'd like to think they know what the hell they're doing. Since the writing's so horrible, why don't you show me a picture of your filing cabinets with the characters traits in them? Since you know them so well to deem the writing horrible. Show me an example of how you think it should have been done, since it sucked so horrible. Show me any storyboards you drew for 61 episodes. Tell me all about how you've worked on this since 1999 to make it great, how you successfully pitched it to Nickelodeon, and got the other dirty work done that needed to get done to make Avatar happen. Since you think they can't write.

The rest of your post reads like you didn't read a word I said. So I point to that post.

If your opinion is so important to you, why is it making you so pissed? I don't think Aang was contrived, I think he decided to do the right thing, and there were no innocent casualties shown due to Aang looking for a different solution, so what's your deal? This cartoon is precious. It's more than just a tv show, it's innovative, a work of art, and told the story that Mike and Brian wanted to tell and it did a damn good job of doing so.

First of all, I disagree with you. Now that we've gotten past that, I'm going to have to agree with Spacerac. I think that being a Zutarian definitely influenced your perception of the finale, at least a little bit. As far as the writing goes, I think they did a great job. Aside from a few small complaints (No Ursa?!?) I think the writing was amazing. Because it was precisely the events like Aang getting the AS back by striking the rock that make this show great. We have to actually think about it. Instead of presenting all the evidence on a silver platter for us to simply say, "Oh. Okay. I see what happened," they dropped us hints. It wasn't a coincidence that Katara's use of healing water in the area he was struck by lightning caused that flashback. His chakra was locked. His energy was stuck there. Just like the pools of water the guru used to illustrate them, all it took was the clearing of this pool of negative energy to let all the energy flow and bring the AS back. But the genius is that we had to figure that out for ourselves. Personally, I like to have to think about a show once in a while. And as a Zutarian who had to grasp at straws in the first place, I would have thought that this would have come naturally to you. The same goes for the suddenness of the Kataang ending. You have to think about Katara's personality and realize that she needed closure to this horrible war before she was ready to have a serious relationship with anyone. Which she kinda points out in The Ember Island Players. Plus I agree that the final scene most likely takes place a couple months after Ozai is defeated. So I think you're letting your disappointment with the final ships get in the way of the epicness of this great finale. And that's kinda sad.

First of all, I disagree with you. Now that we've gotten past that, I'm going to have to agree with Spacerac. I think that being a Zutarian definitely influenced your perception of the finale, at least a little bit. As far as the writing goes, I think they did a great job. Aside from a few small complaints (No Ursa?!?) I think the writing was amazing. Because it was precisely the events like Aang getting the AS back by striking the rock that make this show great. We have to actually think about it. Instead of presenting all the evidence on a silver platter for us to simply say, "Oh. Okay. I see what happened," they dropped us hints. It wasn't a coincidence that Katara's use of healing water in the area he was struck by lightning caused that flashback. His chakra was locked. His energy was stuck there. Just like the pools of water the guru used to illustrate them, all it took was the clearing of this pool of negative energy to let all the energy flow and bring the AS back. But the genius is that we had to figure that out for ourselves. Personally, I like to have to think about a show once in a while. And as a Zutarian who had to grasp at straws in the first place, I would have thought that this would have come naturally to you. The same goes for the suddenness of the Kataang ending. You have to think about Katara's personality and realize that she needed closure to this horrible war before she was ready to have a serious relationship with anyone. Which she kinda points out in The Ember Island Players. Plus I agree that the final scene most likely takes place a couple months after Ozai is defeated. So I think you're letting your disappointment with the final ships get in the way of the epicness of this great finale. And that's kinda sad.

hey i orginally wanted to be about character mapping and profiling, but the discusion kinda went towards this. you can type up a character profile if you want, but i like the debate that's going on.