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    skye3001

    [21]Jul 23, 2008
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    Well the coronation was probably soon after, 'cause Zuko was still in bandages and Sokka was on his crutch, but the teashop scene probably wasn't.

    And don't mess with my shopping montages! Sokka still needs to buy back that green bag that the sandbenders stole.

    Edited on 07/23/2008 3:43pm
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    american43

    [22]Jul 23, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I don't if anyone takes it as far as me, but i was wondering if anyone caught any inconsistancies or glitches in a characters profile (out of character.)

    For example, Katara is usually thinks things out to last degree, so where did her sudden descision to love Aang come from. Not saying that there's anything wrong with Kataang, just wondering why she didn't become troubled or ponder it like she normally does with big descions. It seemed out of character.



    she is a woman dude....they pretend to be thoughtful but are impulsive as men
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    skye3001

    [23]Jul 23, 2008
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    The last time Sokka made fun of Katara for being a woman she released an all-powerful being onto the world.
    Edited on 07/23/2008 4:00pm
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    MarryLarry

    [24]Jul 23, 2008
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    You know, the last scene was an epilogue of sorts since we don't know how much time passed between then and Zuko's coronation. It could have been a day, maybe a few weeks, a couple of months, maybe even a year.

    It seems kind of sudden because it transitioned right after the peace declaration but I'm willing to bet some time passed between the 2 scenes.

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    hkulka2974

    [25]Jul 23, 2008
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    MarryLarry wrote:

    You know, the last scene was an epilogue of sorts since we don't know how much time passed between then and Zuko's coronation. It could have been a day, maybe a few weeks, a couple of months, maybe even a year.

    It seems kind of sudden because it transitioned right after the peace declaration but I'm willing to bet some time passed between the 2 scenes.

    according to the people who read the book it was a couple months after the corination

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    MarryLarry

    [26]Jul 23, 2008
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    hkulka2974 wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    You know, the last scene was an epilogue of sorts since we don't know how much time passed between then and Zuko's coronation. It could have been a day, maybe a few weeks, a couple of months, maybe even a year.

    It seems kind of sudden because it transitioned right after the peace declaration but I'm willing to bet some time passed between the 2 scenes.

    according to the people who read the book it was a couple months after the corination

    Well there you go. Time passes. Feelings are gradually realized. Some other stuff happens that the writers leave up to the imagination. Then some smoochy coochy.

    I seriously think some shippers are letting their preferences cloud their judgment. Learn to let go...you know, that thing you got mad at Aang for not doing. Can anybody say, "hypocrisy?"

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    LeonMorado

    [27]Jul 23, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    they had more than enough time to develop a kataang relationship. they simply chose not to. maybe they wanted to pander to the shippers by dragging it out as long as possible, but it turned out rushed and undeveloped.

    I 100% agree xD

    Yeah, Zutara happening out of two episodes and out of nowhere would have been a shining example of a developing romance.
    no one was talking about zutara. this is about writing, not shipping. i'd take a well written kattang ending over a poorly written zutara ending, but we got a poorly written kataang ending.
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    bodybender

    [28]Jul 23, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Bandage2 wrote:

    she's been pondering it for awhile, the first realization was The Fortuneteller at the end when sokka makes a claim about how powerful aang is... Then they've sorta grown on each other, season 1 finale... season 2 episode one when she's talking about how scary it is to see aang in so much pain, it's ALL OVER the series, these are jus a few off the top of my head...

    cave of 2 lovers is a big hint, serpent's pass when aang's talking to katara after the baby, she starts crying in joy, season 2 finale when she almost loses aang, season 3 episode 1 when she sorta flirts when him "I like your hair", when they dance and she's blushing, they grew on each other. Aang had the schoolboy crush right off the bat, but as he matured it turned into legit caring and love, and as Katara and aang were together more and more she started falling for him more and more...

    Then you look at season 3 before the battle when they do the weird kiss thing, it was obviously Katara's first kiss (did you see anyone in the southern water tribe she woulda had a relationship with...)... And what I think personally, is Katara's been thinking about having a relationship with aang, but as stated in the ember island players she put her feelings on the back burner because of the war... Then after the final battle was all over and she had a chance to think it over, she decided to finally let her emotions run instead of holding them back so they wouldn't get in the way of what truly needed to be done

    those are all very good points, I guess, I would have liked to see why she finally let her "emotions run."

    How about the war is over?
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    Bandage2

    [29]Jul 23, 2008
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    I doubt that scene was MONTHS after the coronation... I'd say days maybe weeks, I haven't read the book, but months seems just far too long... In that time they probably started rebuilding the capital of the fire nation while iroh went back to open his tea shop, then they just all gathered there.
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    LondonParisNYC

    [30]Jul 23, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    they had more than enough time to develop a kataang relationship. they simply chose not to. maybe they wanted to pander to the shippers by dragging it out as long as possible, but it turned out rushed and undeveloped.

    I 100% agree xD

    Yeah, Zutara happening out of two episodes and out of nowhere would have been a shining example of a developing romance.
    no one was talking about zutara. this is about writing, not shipping. i'd take a well written kattang ending over a poorly written zutara ending, but we got a poorly written kataang ending.

    yeah as much as i love zutara, you gotta admit, good writing is more important, and we got stuck with a very cliche kataang.

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    Spacerac

    [31]Jul 24, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    they had more than enough time to develop a kataang relationship. they simply chose not to. maybe they wanted to pander to the shippers by dragging it out as long as possible, but it turned out rushed and undeveloped.

    I 100% agree xD

    Yeah, Zutara happening out of two episodes and out of nowhere would have been a shining example of a developing romance.
    no one was talking about zutara. this is about writing, not shipping. i'd take a well written kattang ending over a poorly written zutara ending, but we got a poorly written kataang ending.

    yeah as much as i love zutara, you gotta admit, good writing is more important, and we got stuck with a very cliche kataang.

    But let's call it what it really is. How convenient is it that Zutarians hate the whole show and call the ending ship scene "cliche"? How many times do you see the main couple on tv get together with no words like that? I haven't, I know that. If Zutara happened the same way, there would not be any complaints whatsoever. The same Zutarians crying now (yes, I'm referring to both of you as well) wouldn't be calling it "cliche." They wouldn't be calling it "badly written." So don't even try to force feed anyone that bull that you hated the whole series because the end was poorly written. Let's call it for what it really is; hypocritical, sore Zutarian loser sentiment because your ship isn't canon and your bull entitlement complex wasn't fulfilled.
    Edited on 07/24/2008 9:25am
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    LondonParisNYC

    [32]Jul 24, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    they had more than enough time to develop a kataang relationship. they simply chose not to. maybe they wanted to pander to the shippers by dragging it out as long as possible, but it turned out rushed and undeveloped.

    I 100% agree xD

    Yeah, Zutara happening out of two episodes and out of nowhere would have been a shining example of a developing romance.
    no one was talking about zutara. this is about writing, not shipping. i'd take a well written kattang ending over a poorly written zutara ending, but we got a poorly written kataang ending.

    yeah as much as i love zutara, you gotta admit, good writing is more important, and we got stuck with a very cliche kataang.

    But let's call it what it really is. How convenient is it that Zutarians hate the whole show and call the ending ship scene "cliche"? How many times do you see the main couple on tv get together with no words like that? I haven't, I know that. If Zutara happened the same way, there would not be any complaints whatsoever. The same Zutarians crying now (yes, I'm referring to both of you as well) wouldn't be calling it "cliche." They wouldn't be calling it "badly written." So don't even try to force feed anyone that bull that you hated the whole series because the end was poorly written. Let's call it for what it really is; hypocritical, sore Zutarian loser sentiment because your ship isn't canon and your bull entitlement complex wasn't fulfilled.

    actually in a zutara ending was written like that, i wouldn't be satified either. I take everything from a writer's pov.

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    skye3001

    [33]Jul 24, 2008
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    If Zuko and Katara just kissed at the end, THAT would've been badly written. There's no hint of love at all before that. It would've been extremely random and just "wtf". They could do that with Aang because they already set up the romance, although I agree that they needed something between EIP and the ending to explain it more, or change Katara's answer in EIP so that she says that she does like him but she doesn't want to get involved until the war is over to break his focus.
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    LondonParisNYC

    [34]Jul 24, 2008
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    skye3001 wrote:
    If Zuko and Katara just kissed at the end, THAT would've been badly written. There's no hint of love at all before that. It would've been extremely random and just "wtf". They could do that with Aang because they already set up the romance, although I agree that they needed something between EIP and the ending to explain it more, or change Katara's answer in EIP so that she says that she does like him but she doesn't want to get involved until the war is over to break his focus.

    agreed, that makes sense. I'm just saying that in my opinion they didn't leave enough time for the ship to develope all the way (not saying that a zutara would) and it camed out kinda rushed.

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    dantedones

    [35]Jul 24, 2008
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    I've seen Kataang shippers say that the ending was poorly written and could have been better, its not just the Zutara shippers
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    LondonParisNYC

    [36]Jul 24, 2008
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    dantedones wrote:
    I've seen Kataang shippers say that the ending was poorly written and could have been better, its not just the Zutara shippers

    very true. it's just the very stubborn Kataang shippers who love the ending because they got exactly what they wanted, but they need to look past that and ask themselves if the writing was a good match.

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    LeonMorado

    [37]Jul 24, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    But let's call it what it really is. How convenient is it that Zutarians hate the whole show and call the ending ship scene "cliche"? How many times do you see the main couple on tv get together with no words like that? I haven't, I know that. If Zutara happened the same way, there would not be any complaints whatsoever. The same Zutarians crying now (yes, I'm referring to both of you as well) wouldn't be calling it "cliche." They wouldn't be calling it "badly written." So don't even try to force feed anyone that bull that you hated the whole series because the end was poorly written. Let's call it for what it really is; hypocritical, sore Zutarian loser sentiment because your ship isn't canon and your bull entitlement complex wasn't fulfilled.
    oh hell no.

    who the hell do you think you are to accuse me of this kind of passive-aggressive bull? i don't play those games. if my only beef was with the fact that zutara didn't happen then that's exactly what i would be complaining about. the fact of the matter is i read the spoilers way ahead of time and i already knew kataang was coming. i watched the remaining episodes with this assumption in mind actively looking for it to fit. i watched the entire finale waiting to see how they resolved kataang, how they dealt with katara's confused feelings, what consequences there would be for aang shirking his responsibilities and choosing his own earthly attachment to her. they ignored all of these points. aang ignored the wisdom of everyone around him, the guru, the past avatars, even teh gaang told him he had to kill the fire lord. then pulled a half-baked plot device out of his nowhere with no previous explanation or introduction, and ended up suffering no consequences for his childish selfishness. yes, it was selfish of him to choose the girl he had a crush on over the fate of the world, and it was selfish of him to let his personal scruples about life being sacred further jeopardize the world. and to top it all off, he suddenly gets the girl with no resolution of conflict and no confrontation. she just flies into his arms without a word like she's compensation for services rendered.

    my beef with the ending isn't that kataang happened and zutara didn't. it's that the hero of the story didn't mature at all, many of his actions had no consequences, and he ended up winning by being childish and selfish, and ignoring those who had been helping him all along. it was badly written regardless of what ship you're rooting for. so think things over before you start slinging accusations at people who don't agree with you.
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    LondonParisNYC

    [38]Jul 24, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    But let's call it what it really is. How convenient is it that Zutarians hate the whole show and call the ending ship scene "cliche"? How many times do you see the main couple on tv get together with no words like that? I haven't, I know that. If Zutara happened the same way, there would not be any complaints whatsoever. The same Zutarians crying now (yes, I'm referring to both of you as well) wouldn't be calling it "cliche." They wouldn't be calling it "badly written." So don't even try to force feed anyone that bull that you hated the whole series because the end was poorly written. Let's call it for what it really is; hypocritical, sore Zutarian loser sentiment because your ship isn't canon and your bull entitlement complex wasn't fulfilled.
    oh hell no. who the hell do you think you are to accuse me of this kind of passive-aggressive bull? i don't play those games. if my only beef was with the fact that zutara didn't happen then that's exactly what i would be complaining about. the fact of the matter is i read the spoilers way ahead of time and i already knew kataang was coming. i watched the remaining episodes with this assumption in mind actively looking for it to fit. i watched the entire finale waiting to see how they resolved kataang, how they dealt with katara's confused feelings, what consequences there would be for aang shirking his responsibilities and choosing his own earthly attachment to her. they ignored all of these points. aang ignored the wisdom of everyone around him, the guru, the past avatars, even teh gaang told him he had to kill the fire lord. then pulled a half-baked plot device out of his nowhere with no previous explanation or introduction, and ended up suffering no consequences for his childish selfishness. yes, it was selfish of him to choose the girl he had a crush on over the fate of the world, and it was selfish of him to let his personal scruples about life being sacred further jeopardize the world. and to top it all off, he suddenly gets the girl with no resolution of conflict and no confrontation. she just flies into his arms without a word like she's compensation for services rendered. my beef with the ending isn't that kataang happened and zutara didn't. it's that the hero of the story didn't mature at all, many of his actions had no consequences, and he ended up winning by being childish and selfish, and ignoring those who had been helping him all along. it was badly written regardless of what ship you're rooting for. so think things over before you start slinging accusations at people who don't agree with you.

    thank you thank you thank you.

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    WiseLad

    [39]Jul 24, 2008
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    the biggest issue about the "letting go of earthly attachments" is that many people want to make it "permanently", instead of "at the moment of reaching for the avatar state", and at crossroads Aang did that, he let go of his feeling for Katara and desire to protect her, and instead went to meditate and reach for avatar state, and left katara on her own; only to be locked by Azula when she shot her lightning.

    about Mai and moment they kissed, if you look closely at what Zuko was wearing, and the "outside scene of the FN capital"(damaged) just before that scene; and compare it to the view of the city(repaired) and what Zuko was wearing; you will realize that Zuko was at most 3 or 4 days after the Azula battle, most probably 2 days after, And he was still injured. He was surprised she came to him so quickly, he was probably waiting to feel better before personally looking for her

    about Aang and how he won, at the moment he almost killed Ozai, it was not "Aang", it was all past avatars and him as one in the body of Aang(listen to the combined voices in one when "Avatar state persona" said Ozai had to pay ultimate price), and Aang took control at the last moment, making his "personal values"(which is different than "wordly desires and attachments" )be in sync with his duties. He was enlightened(first avatar to do so)and found the answer of taking power away from Ozai. And after that, for a few seconds his eyes were lighted up while reaching Avatar state, but than they went off, yet he still had Avatar state powers, indicating he was in control, instead of the Avatar state of him.

    in my book all of that indicates he reached maturity

    I will say the coronation was about 1(most probable) or 2 months after the battles, and the meeting at the teashop was about 3 or 4 months later
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    WiseLad

    [40]Jul 24, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    dantedones wrote:
    I've seen Kataang shippers say that the ending was poorly written and could have been better, its not just the Zutara shippers

    very true. it's just the very stubborn Kataang shippers who love the ending because they got exactly what they wanted, but they need to look past that and ask themselves if the writing was a good match.


    Bryke had always the tendency to have us "fill holes"

    he never showed when Zuko told the gaang to come to the Ember island home, he never showed Iroh getting out of the jail, he never showed Hakoda finding the other people to take them for the eclipse battle, he never showed Ty lee bonding with the Kyoshi warriors, he never showed how mai and Suki got close enough that they would end up playing Pai Sho??? at the final scenes at Ba Sing Se

    We don't know what things Katara and Aang have already spoken to each other between the battles and the time they all met at Ba Sing Se
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