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    esquisofrenic

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    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .
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    zimtower

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    esquisofrenic wrote:
    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .

    That is interesting because firebenders have the ability to control energy but waterbenders can also indirectly control energy through ice.
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    esquisofrenic

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    zimtower wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .

    That is interesting because firebenders have the ability to control energy but waterbenders can also indirectly control energy through ice.
    that is just a theory but is logical
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    iron-fence

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    sokka gave chit sang the keyes, and mai is a terminator!!!!!!!!!!! omg but she is a crappy nick terminator
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    MarryLarry

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    Sokka opens Zuko's cell without using any keys so the doors are probably the kind of doors that open on one side but are locked on the other...that or a blooper. In either case, how CS got his friends out is up for interpretation and ultimately inconsequencial.

    And Zuko didn't cut the rock. He blew it up, bit of a difference. If you shot a giant fireball at a thin cable, the flame would just pass through it since it isn't big enough to block the flame's path unlike a rock wall.

    I do think the Mai scene was a little far fetched...but it was cool so I'm letting it slide.

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    misterham

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    MarryLarry wrote:
    If you shot a giant fireball at a thin cable, the flame would just pass through it since it isn't big enough to block the flame's path unlike a rock wall.

    but azula can concentrate her fire. she's been able to break holes in rock walls with just one easy blow. she could have definitely cut the cables if she wanted to. she probably didn't because she was shocked and didn't think about it.
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    esquisofrenic

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    misterham wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:
    If you shot a giant fireball at a thin cable, the flame would just pass through it since it isn't big enough to block the flame's path unlike a rock wall.

    but azula can concentrate her fire. she's been able to break holes in rock walls with just one easy blow. she could have definitely cut the cables if she wanted to. she probably didn't because she was shocked and didn't think about it.
    she was looking for a battel with zuko
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    DeeDuck33

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    misterham wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:
    If you shot a giant fireball at a thin cable, the flame would just pass through it since it isn't big enough to block the flame's path unlike a rock wall.

    but azula can concentrate her fire. she's been able to break holes in rock walls with just one easy blow. she could have definitely cut the cables if she wanted to. she probably didn't because she was shocked and didn't think about it.

    Firebending doesn't break through rock walls. Lightning does.

    Notice how in Crossroads of Destiny Iroh used lightning to break through the wall and jump out. Notice how Azula uses lightning to blow a hole through the rock wall Toph made in The Chase (both situations were lightning, not firebending).
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    misterham

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    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    misterham wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:
    If you shot a giant fireball at a thin cable, the flame would just pass through it since it isn't big enough to block the flame's path unlike a rock wall.
    but azula can concentrate her fire. she's been able to break holes in rock walls with just one easy blow. she could have definitely cut the cables if she wanted to. she probably didn't because she was shocked and didn't think about it.
    Firebending doesn't break through rock walls. Lightning does. Notice how in Crossroads of Destiny Iroh used lightning to break through the wall and jump out. Notice how Azula uses lightning to blow a hole through the rock wall Toph made in The Chase (both situations were lightning, not firebending).
    rewatch the chase. you are missing the parts where she breaks the walls and even cuts a wall into pieces with her concentrated fire. it happens during the last fight in the episode.

    equiso - i meant after she was done fighting with zuko and went on the other gondola

    Edited on 05/06/2008 7:02pm
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    MarryLarry

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    misterham wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:
    If you shot a giant fireball at a thin cable, the flame would just pass through it since it isn't big enough to block the flame's path unlike a rock wall.
    but azula can concentrate her fire. she's been able to break holes in rock walls with just one easy blow. she could have definitely cut the cables if she wanted to. she probably didn't because she was shocked and didn't think about it.

    When her fire hits walls, it has nowhere to go but through. No matter how concentrated she made her fire, the blast would just pass over/under the wire because its too thin.

    Imagine light from a lamp. If you stick something large in front of it, a shadow forms. Now imagine the light hitting a tiny thread of string. You might think the string would block any light from passing through, thus causing a shadow. However, the string is so thin that the light moves around it and you don't see any shadow at all. That's the same effect a fire blast would have on the cable.

    I hope that analogy didn't confuse anyone.

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    DeeDuck33

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    MarryLarry wrote:

    misterham wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:
    If you shot a giant fireball at a thin cable, the flame would just pass through it since it isn't big enough to block the flame's path unlike a rock wall.
    but azula can concentrate her fire. she's been able to break holes in rock walls with just one easy blow. she could have definitely cut the cables if she wanted to. she probably didn't because she was shocked and didn't think about it.

    When her fire hits walls, it has nowhere to go but through. No matter how concentrated she made her fire, the blast would just pass over/under the wire because its too thin.

    Imagine light from a lamp. If you stick something large in front of it, a shadow forms. Now imagine the light hitting a tiny thread of string. You might think the string would block any light from passing through, thus causing a shadow. However, the string is so thin that the light moves around it and you don't see any shadow at all. That's the same effect a fire blast would have on the cable.

    I hope that analogy didn't confuse anyone.


    Plus, I doubt that they would have a cable that is breakable by firebenders (since the prison holds firebenders). That would just spell trouble.

    (btw, are you talking about when they are in the little town fighting? I think the town was made primarily of wood, which is easily destroyed by fire)
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    misterham

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    the wire was actually not that thin. it's almost as thick as your wrist. in some animations it's as thick as your forearm, but that's due to inconsistencies in animation. the important variable isn't the thinness of the wire, it's the strength of it. the thickness doesn't matter because the thinner something is, the weaker it gets but there's also less surface area to absorb the energy. so that cancels each other out. what we need to determine is if the strength of the wire is substantially stronger than brick walls

    no, if you watch the scene again, you should easily see that it's brick she's breaking

    edit: actually the thinner it is, the weaker it gets in comparison because of more surface area to volume ratio

    Edited on 05/06/2008 7:34pm
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    misterham wrote:

    the wire was actually not that thin. it's almost as thick as your wrist. in some animations it's as thick as your forearm, but that's due to inconsistencies in animation. the important variable isn't the thinness of the wire, it's the strength of it. the thickness doesn't matter because the thinner something is, the weaker it gets but there's also less surface area to absorb the energy. so that cancels each other out. what we need to determine is if the strength of the wire is substantially stronger than brick walls

    no, if you watch the scene again, you should easily see that it's brick she's breaking


    Ah, I'll rewatch later.
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    MarryLarry

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    misterham wrote:

    the wire was actually not that thin. it's almost as thick as your wrist. in some animations it's as thick as your forearm, but that's due to inconsistencies in animation. the important variable isn't the thinness of the wire, it's the strength of it. the thickness doesn't matter because the thinner something is, the weaker it gets but there's also less surface area to absorb the energy. so that cancels each other out. what we need to determine is if the strength of the wire is substantially stronger than brick walls

    I'm not saying the wire was string thin. It was still thin enough for a fire blast to pass through it.

    But in the end, I think we're all over thinking it. Physics takes a back seat to this show. Look at Zuko. The guy must have jumped 20 feet to reach the cable car.

    Edited on 05/06/2008 7:46pm
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    misterham

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    MarryLarry wrote:
    I'm not saying the wire was string thin. It was still thin enough for a fire blast to pass through it.

    But in the end, I think we're all over thinking it. Physics takes a back seat to this show. Look at Zuko. The guy must have jumped 20 feet to reach the cable car.

    that would be true for other firebenders, but azula can make hers as thin as the wire and yeah, we are over thinking it. but i have nothing better to do

    o btw it was much more than 20 feet

    Edited on 05/06/2008 8:05pm
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    zimtower wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .
    That is interesting because firebenders have the ability to control energy but waterbenders can also indirectly control energy through ice.
    I understand the fire part being that fire branches out into heat, energy, and light. But how can ice be related to energy. Both fire and energy fall into non-matter, it being conpletly different from ice whic is matter. I'm sorry but I don't see the connection.
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    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .
    That is interesting because firebenders have the ability to control energy but waterbenders can also indirectly control energy through ice.
    I understand the fire part being that fire branches out into heat, energy, and light. But how can ice be related to energy. Both fire and energy fall into non-matter, it being conpletly different from ice whic is matter. I'm sorry but I don't see the connection.

    kinetic energy of water molecules

    i've never seen evidence of a temperature change though. we all know avatar physics is wierd
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    zimtower

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    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .
    That is interesting because firebenders have the ability to control energy but waterbenders can also indirectly control energy through ice.
    I understand the fire part being that fire branches out into heat, energy, and light. But how can ice be related to energy. Both fire and energy fall into non-matter, it being conpletly different from ice whic is matter. I'm sorry but I don't see the connection.
    Actually E = m * c(squared). I know thats not what I mean but energy and matter IS related.
    Edited on 05/06/2008 10:18pm
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    zimtower wrote:
    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .
    That is interesting because firebenders have the ability to control energy but waterbenders can also indirectly control energy through ice.
    I understand the fire part being that fire branches out into heat, energy, and light. But how can ice be related to energy. Both fire and energy fall into non-matter, it being conpletly different from ice whic is matter. I'm sorry but I don't see the connection.
    Actually E = m * c(squared). I know thats not what I mean but energy and matter IS related.
    I know that, but now I suddenly had an apifany(sp?). They connected fire and lighting together. Firebenders should have greater control with energy. I can now sort of see why the firenation is so strong. They sort of absorb energy unlike the other elements (except for water and moon thingy). They could use other sources of that type of energy to make themselves stronger, like energy vampires. Wow. Just think what people from the avatar world would be able to do if they aplied the knowledge we know today to their bending skills.
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    sqevans

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    That thing that happens near the end (I don't want to say what it is. Everyone has to see it for themselves, without any spoilers) has to be one of the single greatest moments in the series!
    Azula was so shocked/pissed, I thought her head was going to explode!
    Much love to the one who did that!
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