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    sqevans

    [781]May 7, 2008
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    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .
    That is interesting because firebenders have the ability to control energy but waterbenders can also indirectly control energy through ice.
    I understand the fire part being that fire branches out into heat, energy, and light. But how can ice be related to energy. Both fire and energy fall into non-matter, it being conpletly different from ice whic is matter. I'm sorry but I don't see the connection.
    Actually E = m * c(squared). I know thats not what I mean but energy and matter IS related.
    I know that, but now I suddenly had an apifany(sp?). They connected fire and lighting together. Firebenders should have greater control with energy. I can now sort of see why the firenation is so strong. They sort of absorb energy unlike the other elements (except for water and moon thingy). They could use other sources of that type of energy to make themselves stronger, like energy vampires. Wow. Just think what people from the avatar world would be able to do if they aplied the knowledge we know today to their bending skills.

    Iroh explained lightning in "Bitter Work". Lightning is created when energy is separated into positive and negative elements, which is out of balance. It restores balance by crashing back together as lightning, which is released by the fire bender. What I don't know is, how does Azula use lightning to fly? (Or is it blue flame?) Whatever, WTF?
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    zimtower

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    sqevans wrote:
    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .
    That is interesting because firebenders have the ability to control energy but waterbenders can also indirectly control energy through ice.
    I understand the fire part being that fire branches out into heat, energy, and light. But how can ice be related to energy. Both fire and energy fall into non-matter, it being conpletly different from ice whic is matter. I'm sorry but I don't see the connection.
    Actually E = m * c(squared). I know thats not what I mean but energy and matter IS related.
    I know that, but now I suddenly had an apifany(sp?). They connected fire and lighting together. Firebenders should have greater control with energy. I can now sort of see why the firenation is so strong. They sort of absorb energy unlike the other elements (except for water and moon thingy). They could use other sources of that type of energy to make themselves stronger, like energy vampires. Wow. Just think what people from the avatar world would be able to do if they aplied the knowledge we know today to their bending skills.

    Iroh explained lightning in "Bitter Work". Lightning is created when energy is separated into positive and negative elements, which is out of balance. It restores balance by crashing back together as lightning, which is released by the fire bender. What I don't know is, how does Azula use lightning to fly? (Or is it blue flame?) Whatever, WTF?

    Yes firebenders can rip the balance of energy apart to generate lightning but they can also transfer energy as we saw Avatar Roku do. Firebenders should(in theory) be able to make things cold by transfering the kinetic energy out of them possibly also making ice. Waterbending seems to deal with individual atoms and how they move together, firebending seems to deal with energy, airbending seems to deal with volume and earthbending seems to deal with solid matter.
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    waterbender6025

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    sqevans wrote:
    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .
    That is interesting because firebenders have the ability to control energy but waterbenders can also indirectly control energy through ice.
    I understand the fire part being that fire branches out into heat, energy, and light. But how can ice be related to energy. Both fire and energy fall into non-matter, it being conpletly different from ice whic is matter. I'm sorry but I don't see the connection.
    Actually E = m * c(squared). I know thats not what I mean but energy and matter IS related.
    I know that, but now I suddenly had an apifany(sp?). They connected fire and lighting together. Firebenders should have greater control with energy. I can now sort of see why the firenation is so strong. They sort of absorb energy unlike the other elements (except for water and moon thingy). They could use other sources of that type of energy to make themselves stronger, like energy vampires. Wow. Just think what people from the avatar world would be able to do if they aplied the knowledge we know today to their bending skills.

    Iroh explained lightning in "Bitter Work". Lightning is created when energy is separated into positive and negative elements, which is out of balance. It restores balance by crashing back together as lightning, which is released by the fire bender. What I don't know is, how does Azula use lightning to fly? (Or is it blue flame?) Whatever, WTF?
    im pretty sure the blue fire and lighting are seperate issues. i reckon that the creators made azula have blue fire to separate her from other firebenders and make her look alot more lethal, but seriously holy c**p azula can fly!! wtf?
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    WiseLad

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    waterbender6025 wrote:
    sqevans wrote:
    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .
    That is interesting because firebenders have the ability to control energy but waterbenders can also indirectly control energy through ice.
    I understand the fire part being that fire branches out into heat, energy, and light. But how can ice be related to energy. Both fire and energy fall into non-matter, it being conpletly different from ice whic is matter. I'm sorry but I don't see the connection.
    Actually E = m * c(squared). I know thats not what I mean but energy and matter IS related.
    I know that, but now I suddenly had an apifany(sp?). They connected fire and lighting together. Firebenders should have greater control with energy. I can now sort of see why the firenation is so strong. They sort of absorb energy unlike the other elements (except for water and moon thingy). They could use other sources of that type of energy to make themselves stronger, like energy vampires. Wow. Just think what people from the avatar world would be able to do if they aplied the knowledge we know today to their bending skills.

    Iroh explained lightning in "Bitter Work". Lightning is created when energy is separated into positive and negative elements, which is out of balance. It restores balance by crashing back together as lightning, which is released by the fire bender. What I don't know is, how does Azula use lightning to fly? (Or is it blue flame?) Whatever, WTF?
    im pretty sure the blue fire and lighting are seperate issues. i reckon that the creators made azula have blue fire to separate her from other firebenders and make her look alot more lethal, but seriously holy c**p azula can fly!! wtf?


    she can't fly. she can hover above ground thanks to powerful "rocket blasts"

    but she might be able to fly if she had a "glider"
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    Wubu492

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    http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/7836/proofcp9.jpg

    This is a screenshot from the last episode of season 2. It shows Zuko's fire cutting through crystal. This proofs the strength of fire is not about heat, it just cut's through, for some reason.

    http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5678/proof2qg4.jpg

    Here we see Azula's fire breaking a chain from a fair distance. Therefore I doubt precision is the matter.

    There are a lot more of these situations that proof the power of fire. I think Azula could definately have cut that cable herself.

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    t0nyhawk2

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    LOL AZULA U GOT DITCHED go mai and Ty lee but Suki totalyy bashed up sokka in the cell yeh
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    The_Sovereign04

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    hmmm.... flying fire princess. i'm okay with it cuz i'm okay with the whole show, but i'm afraid that others(the ones who are not as committed to Avatar as we are) might say: "WHAT? i thought only airbenders could fly. this is so kiddish... Bah! poppycock, impossible. so weird..." yes. these kinds of comments hurt my pro-avatar sentiments. Long live the avatar!
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    TVMaster10

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    zimtower wrote:
    sqevans wrote:
    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    TVMaster10 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    i think that the fn developed refridgerators or the have waterbender inside the prision and the guards give orders to create a cooler .
    That is interesting because firebenders have the ability to control energy but waterbenders can also indirectly control energy through ice.
    I understand the fire part being that fire branches out into heat, energy, and light. But how can ice be related to energy. Both fire and energy fall into non-matter, it being conpletly different from ice whic is matter. I'm sorry but I don't see the connection.
    Actually E = m * c(squared). I know thats not what I mean but energy and matter IS related.
    I know that, but now I suddenly had an apifany(sp?). They connected fire and lighting together. Firebenders should have greater control with energy. I can now sort of see why the firenation is so strong. They sort of absorb energy unlike the other elements (except for water and moon thingy). They could use other sources of that type of energy to make themselves stronger, like energy vampires. Wow. Just think what people from the avatar world would be able to do if they aplied the knowledge we know today to their bending skills.
    Iroh explained lightning in "Bitter Work". Lightning is created when energy is separated into positive and negative elements, which is out of balance. It restores balance by crashing back together as lightning, which is released by the fire bender. What I don't know is, how does Azula use lightning to fly? (Or is it blue flame?) Whatever, WTF?
    Yes firebenders can rip the balance of energy apart to generate lightning but they can also transfer energy as we saw Avatar Roku do. Firebenders should(in theory) be able to make things cold by transfering the kinetic energy out of them possibly also making ice. Waterbending seems to deal with individual atoms and how they move together, firebending seems to deal with energy, airbending seems to deal with volume and earthbending seems to deal with solid matter.
    Thats exactly what I was thinking. I wonder how powerful they could be if they applied that type of knowledge to their bending. And what do you mean we've seen Roku transfer energy?
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    kataang_fails

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    The_Sovereign04 wrote:
    hmmm.... flying fire princess. i'm okay with it cuz i'm okay with the whole show, but i'm afraid that others(the ones who are not as committed to Avatar as we are) might say: "WHAT? i thought only airbenders could fly. this is so kiddish... Bah! poppycock, impossible. so weird..." yes. these kinds of comments hurt my pro-avatar sentiments. Long live the avatar!
    well if people had any sense they would realize that a firebending flying should be quite normal i mean seriosly. why is azula the ONLY firebender that ive seen tht used her firebendin to fly? freakin dumbarses

    one thing i hat baout benders and the fact that they are so stupid and pimitive. how is is that a 12 yr old master earthbender discovered metalbending at the end of season . after ALL THOSE YEARS TOO. and how did it take an old crazed woman to realize u can make water from plants, moisture in the air, and control peoples bodies? DUH. 90% of people are made up of liquids. and airbenders, wth were they dopin when the firebenders attacked? couldnt they have made like hurricanes and tornadoes and stuf? so how in the world was the fire nation able to get to them? not to mention u literally have to be able to fly to even get there. well thats enough of my ranting for now

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    kkg14

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    kataang_fails wrote:

    The_Sovereign04 wrote:
    hmmm.... flying fire princess. i'm okay with it cuz i'm okay with the whole show, but i'm afraid that others(the ones who are not as committed to Avatar as we are) might say: "WHAT? i thought only airbenders could fly. this is so kiddish... Bah! poppycock, impossible. so weird..." yes. these kinds of comments hurt my pro-avatar sentiments. Long live the avatar!
    well if people had any sense they would realize that a firebending flying should be quite normal i mean seriosly. why is azula the ONLY firebender that ive seen tht used her firebendin to fly? freakin dumbarses

    one thing i hat baout benders and the fact that they are so stupid and pimitive. how is is that a 12 yr old master earthbender discovered metalbending at the end of season . after ALL THOSE YEARS TOO. and how did it take an old crazed woman to realize u can make water from plants, moisture in the air, and control peoples bodies? DUH. 90% of people are made up of liquids. and airbenders, wth were they dopin when the firebenders attacked? couldnt they have made like hurricanes and tornadoes and stuf? so how in the world was the fire nation able to get to them? not to mention u literally have to be able to fly to even get there. well thats enough of my ranting for now



    Well actually, people are 75% water, and in order to make a hurricane, the airbenders would have to be near an ocean or a sufficiently large enough body of water. Also, the fire nation probably reached the air temples much the same way they did in the Northern Air Temple episode. But I totally agree, the airbenders needed to wake up and face reality. Yes, they were a peaceful non-violent race, but they were being slaughtered! Come on, people! Grow a spine! They were airbenders! They could have created a vacuum around the invading fire benders to block their bending (no air=no fire) and ultimately kill them very easily.
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    mister001

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    kkg14 wrote:
    kataang_fails wrote:

    The_Sovereign04 wrote:
    hmmm.... flying fire princess. i'm okay with it cuz i'm okay with the whole show, but i'm afraid that others(the ones who are not as committed to Avatar as we are) might say: "WHAT? i thought only airbenders could fly. this is so kiddish... Bah! poppycock, impossible. so weird..." yes. these kinds of comments hurt my pro-avatar sentiments. Long live the avatar!
    well if people had any sense they would realize that a firebending flying should be quite normal i mean seriosly. why is azula the ONLY firebender that ive seen tht used her firebendin to fly? freakin dumbarses

    one thing i hat baout benders and the fact that they are so stupid and pimitive. how is is that a 12 yr old master earthbender discovered metalbending at the end of season . after ALL THOSE YEARS TOO. and how did it take an old crazed woman to realize u can make water from plants, moisture in the air, and control peoples bodies? DUH. 90% of people are made up of liquids. and airbenders, wth were they dopin when the firebenders attacked? couldnt they have made like hurricanes and tornadoes and stuf? so how in the world was the fire nation able to get to them? not to mention u literally have to be able to fly to even get there. well thats enough of my ranting for now



    Well actually, people are 75% water, and in order to make a hurricane, the airbenders would have to be near an ocean or a sufficiently large enough body of water. Also, the fire nation probably reached the air temples much the same way they did in the Northern Air Temple episode. But I totally agree, the airbenders needed to wake up and face reality. Yes, they were a peaceful non-violent race, but they were being slaughtered! Come on, people! Grow a spine! They were airbenders! They could have created a vacuum around the invading fire benders to block their bending (no air=no fire) and ultimately kill them very easily.


    Maybe they did put up a decent fight. Maybe the FN nation lost thousands of soldiers, we don't know since the FN changed their history books to make it look like they where the strongest and to make it look even stronger they could change their total amount of casualties... And remember the FN nation had that comet thing, they might have used that to make short work of even the most skilled airbender. Besides even the most skilled can be outnumbered and then there is exhaustion, no one can fight forever....

    But what I really wanna know is if the air nomads and the water tribe people have had their wanna be supreme ruler dynasty/emperor.... Would be interesting to see a good guys FN vs bad Water tribe or air nomads...
    Even monks should have had bad people.
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    kataang_fails

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    mister001 wrote:
    kkg14 wrote:
    kataang_fails wrote:

    The_Sovereign04 wrote:
    hmmm.... flying fire princess. i'm okay with it cuz i'm okay with the whole show, but i'm afraid that others(the ones who are not as committed to Avatar as we are) might say: "WHAT? i thought only airbenders could fly. this is so kiddish... Bah! poppycock, impossible. so weird..." yes. these kinds of comments hurt my pro-avatar sentiments. Long live the avatar!
    well if people had any sense they would realize that a firebending flying should be quite normal i mean seriosly. why is azula the ONLY firebender that ive seen tht used her firebendin to fly? freakin dumbarses

    one thing i hat baout benders and the fact that they are so stupid and pimitive. how is is that a 12 yr old master earthbender discovered metalbending at the end of season . after ALL THOSE YEARS TOO. and how did it take an old crazed woman to realize u can make water from plants, moisture in the air, and control peoples bodies? DUH. 90% of people are made up of liquids. and airbenders, wth were they dopin when the firebenders attacked? couldnt they have made like hurricanes and tornadoes and stuf? so how in the world was the fire nation able to get to them? not to mention u literally have to be able to fly to even get there. well thats enough of my ranting for now

    Well actually, people are 75% water, and in order to make a hurricane, the airbenders would have to be near an ocean or a sufficiently large enough body of water. Also, the fire nation probably reached the air temples much the same way they did in the Northern Air Temple episode. But I totally agree, the airbenders needed to wake up and face reality. Yes, they were a peaceful non-violent race, but they were being slaughtered! Come on, people! Grow a spine! They were airbenders! They could have created a vacuum around the invading fire benders to block their bending (no air=no fire) and ultimately kill them very easily.
    Maybe they did put up a decent fight. Maybe the FN nation lost thousands of soldiers, we don't know since the FN changed their history books to make it look like they where the strongest and to make it look even stronger they could change their total amount of casualties... And remember the FN nation had that comet thing, they might have used that to make short work of even the most skilled airbender. Besides even the most skilled can be outnumbered and then there is exhaustion, no one can fight forever.... But what I really wanna know is if the air nomads and the water tribe people have had their wanna be supreme ruler dynasty/emperor.... Would be interesting to see a good guys FN vs bad Water tribe or air nomads... Even monks should have had bad people.
    u know wat i totally agree just like that one earthbender that kidnapped appa. but even if they did have their moments it probably wasnt as bad as what the fire nation did or it wouldve been recorded. then again maybe others were thinking but the fire nation was the first to act. u never know
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    kataang_fails wrote:
    mister001 wrote:
    kkg14 wrote:
    kataang_fails wrote:

    The_Sovereign04 wrote:
    hmmm.... flying fire princess. i'm okay with it cuz i'm okay with the whole show, but i'm afraid that others(the ones who are not as committed to Avatar as we are) might say: "WHAT? i thought only airbenders could fly. this is so kiddish... Bah! poppycock, impossible. so weird..." yes. these kinds of comments hurt my pro-avatar sentiments. Long live the avatar!
    well if people had any sense they would realize that a firebending flying should be quite normal i mean seriosly. why is azula the ONLY firebender that ive seen tht used her firebendin to fly? freakin dumbarses

    one thing i hat baout benders and the fact that they are so stupid and pimitive. how is is that a 12 yr old master earthbender discovered metalbending at the end of season . after ALL THOSE YEARS TOO. and how did it take an old crazed woman to realize u can make water from plants, moisture in the air, and control peoples bodies? DUH. 90% of people are made up of liquids. and airbenders, wth were they dopin when the firebenders attacked? couldnt they have made like hurricanes and tornadoes and stuf? so how in the world was the fire nation able to get to them? not to mention u literally have to be able to fly to even get there. well thats enough of my ranting for now

    Well actually, people are 75% water, and in order to make a hurricane, the airbenders would have to be near an ocean or a sufficiently large enough body of water. Also, the fire nation probably reached the air temples much the same way they did in the Northern Air Temple episode. But I totally agree, the airbenders needed to wake up and face reality. Yes, they were a peaceful non-violent race, but they were being slaughtered! Come on, people! Grow a spine! They were airbenders! They could have created a vacuum around the invading fire benders to block their bending (no air=no fire) and ultimately kill them very easily.
    Maybe they did put up a decent fight. Maybe the FN nation lost thousands of soldiers, we don't know since the FN changed their history books to make it look like they where the strongest and to make it look even stronger they could change their total amount of casualties... And remember the FN nation had that comet thing, they might have used that to make short work of even the most skilled airbender. Besides even the most skilled can be outnumbered and then there is exhaustion, no one can fight forever.... But what I really wanna know is if the air nomads and the water tribe people have had their wanna be supreme ruler dynasty/emperor.... Would be interesting to see a good guys FN vs bad Water tribe or air nomads... Even monks should have had bad people.
    u know wat i totally agree just like that one earthbender that kidnapped appa. but even if they did have their moments it probably wasnt as bad as what the fire nation did or it wouldve been recorded. then again maybe others were thinking but the fire nation was the first to act. u never know


    Maybe the next new avatar season will give us a new "evil" nation, or perhaps we'll get an avatar history book thing that will mention what kind of things the world has seen. If you look at the amount of avatars that have been around there's enough years to have plenty of evil people who wanna rule the world (and almost succeed).

    Perhaps the air nomads have some sort of evil history? They learned to airbend in a different way (or learned from the bisons but forgot that (like the FN people)). And then thought they should rule the world but were stopped by the other three nations and where nearly whiped out. Then came along their descendants, the new airbenders learned from the air bisons (?once again?) a more peacefull way of bending air and to honor these creatures they became so monklike.
    A bit like how zuko has "relearned" how to bend fire by watching the dragons, a sort of realization.
    But that's just an idea that popped in my head.
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    DeeDuck33

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    kataang_fails wrote:
    well if people had any sense they would realize that a firebending flying should be quite normal i mean seriosly. why is azula the ONLY firebender that ive seen tht used her firebendin to fly? freakin dumbarses

    one thing i hat baout benders and the fact that they are so stupid and pimitive. how is is that a 12 yr old master earthbender discovered metalbending at the end of season . after ALL THOSE YEARS TOO. and how did it take an old crazed woman to realize u can make water from plants, moisture in the air, and control peoples bodies? DUH. 90% of people are made up of liquids. and airbenders, wth were they dopin when the firebenders attacked? couldnt they have made like hurricanes and tornadoes and stuf? so how in the world was the fire nation able to get to them? not to mention u literally have to be able to fly to even get there. well thats enough of my ranting for now

    real life physics + Avatar = complete confusion Back to the current topic: Flying with firebending is unusual. Everyone expects airbenders to fly, but firebenders?! Azula's skill is something that will catch you off guard.

    Also, metalbending isn't as easy as it seems. Metal is purified earth, so it takes the very best earthbenders to sense the "earhly" elements in the metal. People have probably thought about it, but were not skilled enough to do it. BTW, Toph had not been a master of earthbending for 12 years. She's twelve years old now (-_-). Plus, she never really needed metalbending until the end of season two.

    Why do you think all waterbenders should know that you can bend plants? At the North and South poles, there isn't much of a need for plants to bend since you would be surrounded by water and ice. Most waterbenders probably never needed the skill, so it was never thought about. Notice the waterbenders who did not live at the poles knew about plant bending. They needed to know the about plant bending in case there isn't a large supply of water around (unlike the poles where there is enough water always). And bloodbending was simply not thought about. Did you think about bloodbending before it was mentioned? It took a bit of thought to realize that you can bend humans because it isn't ordinary to think about waterbending in that way.

    The air nomads were ambushed. The fire nation probably had thousands of soldiers. Plus, there were mostly kids at the air temple (as far as we know). The air nomads weren't going to win a fight under those circumstances. Plain and simple. And did you notice that there were a lot of fire nation skeletons and helmets lying around at the Southern Air Temple? You can infer that the airbenders did indeed defend themselves.

    It wasn't that hard for fire nation soldiers to get to the air temples once they found out where they were. The air temples were on mountains. You can climb mountains if you have the right equipment. Problem solved.

    Edited on 05/07/2008 1:55pm
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    suss2it

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    DeeDuck33 wrote:

    kataang_fails wrote:
    well if people had any sense they would realize that a firebending flying should be quite normal i mean seriosly. why is azula the ONLY firebender that ive seen tht used her firebendin to fly? freakin dumbarses

    one thing i hat baout benders and the fact that they are so stupid and pimitive. how is is that a 12 yr old master earthbender discovered metalbending at the end of season . after ALL THOSE YEARS TOO. and how did it take an old crazed woman to realize u can make water from plants, moisture in the air, and control peoples bodies? DUH. 90% of people are made up of liquids. and airbenders, wth were they dopin when the firebenders attacked? couldnt they have made like hurricanes and tornadoes and stuf? so how in the world was the fire nation able to get to them? not to mention u literally have to be able to fly to even get there. well thats enough of my ranting for now

    The air nomads were ambushed. The fire nation probably had thousands of soldiers. Plus, there were mostly kids at the air temple (as far as we know). The air nomads weren't going to win a fight under those circumstances. Plain and simple. And did you notice that there were a lot of fire nation skeletons and helmets lying around at the Southern Air Temple? You can infer that the airbenders did indeed defend themselves.

    It wasn't that hard for fire nation soldiers to get to the air temples once they found out where they were. The air temples were on mountains. You can climb mountains if you have the right equipment. Problem solved.

    Don't forget the firebenders also had a huge advantage with the Comet.
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    wiseone_777

    [796]May 7, 2008
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    DeeDuck33 wrote:

    kataang_fails wrote:
    well if people had any sense they would realize that a firebending flying should be quite normal i mean seriosly. why is azula the ONLY firebender that ive seen tht used her firebendin to fly? freakin dumbarses

    one thing i hat baout benders and the fact that they are so stupid and pimitive. how is is that a 12 yr old master earthbender discovered metalbending at the end of season . after ALL THOSE YEARS TOO. and how did it take an old crazed woman to realize u can make water from plants, moisture in the air, and control peoples bodies? DUH. 90% of people are made up of liquids. and airbenders, wth were they dopin when the firebenders attacked? couldnt they have made like hurricanes and tornadoes and stuf? so how in the world was the fire nation able to get to them? not to mention u literally have to be able to fly to even get there. well thats enough of my ranting for now

    real life physics + Avatar = complete confusion Back to the current topic: Flying with firebending is unusual. Everyone expects airbenders to fly, but firebenders?! Azula's skill is something that will catch you off guard.

    Also, metalbending isn't as easy as it seems. Metal is purified earth, so it takes the very best earthbenders to sense the "earhly" elements in the metal. People have probably thought about it, but were not skilled enough to do it. BTW, Toph had not been a master of earthbending for 12 years. She's twelve years old now (-_-). Plus, she never really needed metalbending until the end of season two.

    Why do you think all waterbenders should know that you can bend plants? At the North and South poles, there isn't much of a need for plants to bend since you would be surrounded by water and ice. Most waterbenders probably never needed the skill, so it was never thought about. Notice the waterbenders who did not live at the poles knew about plant bending. They needed to know the about plant bending in case there isn't a large supply of water around (unlike the poles where there is enough water always). And bloodbending was simply not thought about. Did you think about bloodbending before it was mentioned? It took a bit of thought to realize that you can bend humans because it isn't ordinary to think about waterbending in that way.

    The air nomads were ambushed. The fire nation probably had thousands of soldiers. Plus, there were mostly kids at the air temple (as far as we know). The air nomads weren't going to win a fight under those circumstances. Plain and simple. And did you notice that there were a lot of fire nation skeletons and helmets lying around at the Southern Air Temple? You can infer that the airbenders did indeed defend themselves.

    It wasn't that hard for fire nation soldiers to get to the air temples once they found out where they were. The air temples were on mountains. You can climb mountains if you have the right equipment. Problem solved.

    A lot of FN soldiers, but only one Air Nomad....hmm....Air Nomads are supposed to be pacifists...hmm...Kay, here is my idea. All the Air Nomads had knowledge of the doom, in a way. They knew a war would break out soon, and they needed the Avatar, blah. My idea is that they were forewarned, and the council had a vote, and Gyatso volunteered to stay behind. Everyone except G. left. When the FN entered the Southern Air Temple, and were far from the exits, Gyatso, being the powerful Airbender he is, forced all the air out of the Southern Air Temple and held it out, thereby stopping the ability for the FN to firebend, and Gyatso, with no air to breathe, killed himself and the soldiers. A couple of soldiers, who witnessed it, thought that it would take a lot of airbenders to create that barrier, much less hold it, and so reported victory, while suffering a major loss. The Southern AN were the only AN that survived, and so losses in the Northern, Eastern, and Western Air Temples were little, since the AN were pacifists.
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    Wubu492

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    DeeDuck33 wrote:

    kataang_fails wrote:
    well if people had any sense they would realize that a firebending flying should be quite normal i mean seriosly. why is azula the ONLY firebender that ive seen tht used her firebendin to fly? freakin dumbarses

    one thing i hat baout benders and the fact that they are so stupid and pimitive. how is is that a 12 yr old master earthbender discovered metalbending at the end of season . after ALL THOSE YEARS TOO. and how did it take an old crazed woman to realize u can make water from plants, moisture in the air, and control peoples bodies? DUH. 90% of people are made up of liquids. and airbenders, wth were they dopin when the firebenders attacked? couldnt they have made like hurricanes and tornadoes and stuf? so how in the world was the fire nation able to get to them? not to mention u literally have to be able to fly to even get there. well thats enough of my ranting for now

    real life physics + Avatar = complete confusion Back to the current topic: Flying with firebending is unusual. Everyone expects airbenders to fly, but firebenders?! Azula's skill is something that will catch you off guard.

    Also, metalbending isn't as easy as it seems. Metal is purified earth, so it takes the very best earthbenders to sense the "earhly" elements in the metal. People have probably thought about it, but were not skilled enough to do it. BTW, Toph had not been a master of earthbending for 12 years. She's twelve years old now (-_-). Plus, she never really needed metalbending until the end of season two.

    Why do you think all waterbenders should know that you can bend plants? At the North and South poles, there isn't much of a need for plants to bend since you would be surrounded by water and ice. Most waterbenders probably never needed the skill, so it was never thought about. Notice the waterbenders who did not live at the poles knew about plant bending. They needed to know the about plant bending in case there isn't a large supply of water around (unlike the poles where there is enough water always). And bloodbending was simply not thought about. Did you think about bloodbending before it was mentioned? It took a bit of thought to realize that you can bend humans because it isn't ordinary to think about waterbending in that way.

    The air nomads were ambushed. The fire nation probably had thousands of soldiers. Plus, there were mostly kids at the air temple (as far as we know). The air nomads weren't going to win a fight under those circumstances. Plain and simple. And did you notice that there were a lot of fire nation skeletons and helmets lying around at the Southern Air Temple? You can infer that the airbenders did indeed defend themselves.

    It wasn't that hard for fire nation soldiers to get to the air temples once they found out where they were. The air temples were on mountains. You can climb mountains if you have the right equipment. Problem solved.

    I hate metalbending. It doesn't make any sense at all. The show mentions that metal is purified earth. As far as I know, rocks and sand are mostly made out of carbon, while a pure metal doesn't contain any carbon at all. I just can't stand it that even though metal and earth are entirely different, bending them is still called earthbending.

    The siege of the Air nomads must've been a bit harder then you just made it seem. It's easy to defend a mountain top. You can throw things down, you're hard to reach and, considering you're an airbender, you can probably knock away any projectiles. Still I think the Air nomads refused to fight at first hand, or were greatly outnumbered. I don't think they would've made it anyway.

    I do have some question marks about the history of the world in the show. The Fire Nation are a couple of islands. I just don't understand how they were able to amass such a great army.

    And the Air nomads. What do they do when they grow up? Do they stay at their temple? If so, then why do we see so few adults in the couple of episodes were the tempels are shown? Besides, how many people can live in 4 temples?

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    Kevin27NYI

    [798]May 7, 2008
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    trying to stay away fro the war up there^ n e way greatt episode and it is very good to be back
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    DanSandwichBoy

    [799]May 7, 2008
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    Wubu492 wrote:

    And the Air nomads. What do they do when they grow up? Do they stay at their temple? If so, then why do we see so few adults in the couple of episodes were the tempels are shown? Besides, how many people can live in 4 temples?

    Well, they do say that the Air Nomads limited their number of births due to how many they raised as monks and nuns. That, along with their highly spiritual sense, was why every Air Nomad was an Airbender.

    Sorry to get off topic, but has anyone else noticed how all the forums seem to keep disappearing a reappearing on occasion?

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    MarryLarry

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    Tiny nations like Germany, Japan, Britain, Spain, and France had massive armies back in the day and pwned nations 5 times their size. So it's not very hard to believe the FN can as well.
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