Nickelodeon (ended 2012)
@teenj: Yeah, I agree, but I do think that's more of ruining the fandom rather than the show. Like...it may ruin episodes for me with their drama, but that's only affecting how I see the show, not how the show actually is. It could maybe ruin the ratings with the boycotts(although I think that number is small and insignificant...not sure about that), but I don't think they directly caused the show to be the way it is right now. I think the only episodes they ruined was the arc(well...iSAFW too).
With the arc, it felt like Dan kept thinking of the audience in his mind. When he started it off he wanted a "surprise/shock" ending in favor of Seddie, so they'd flail and freak out. Since it was so surprising, there wasn't that much development leading to it. The couple didn't even start off right. Plus he had 4 episodes focused around a couple, which isn't the essence of iCarly. I honestly can't remember a funny moment of iCan't Take It. You cannot tell somebody that was a "classic" iCarly episode, if that makes sense.
After that, it seemed like Dan was doing things how he wants things to be and not how the fans want things to be. I guarantee most Seddie shippers wanted Sam and Freddie to stay together, say "I love you", and be in a serious relationship ala Beck/Jade season 1. Dan did not make that the case. He broke them up and didn't even put any "post break up" drama into it. He just puts his own bizarre, random humor in it and doesn't really give a chiz about fanservice(f.e. iApril Fools). In the past, he was able to deal with shippers when they were extremely crazy and put out good episodes. He is especially okay with doing it now. Anything regarding the bad episodes now is basically because of guest stars(iGo One Direction, iMeet the First Lady) or because of the writers not knowing what to do. Dan putting in one line of "He's still in love with me; it's kind of sad" or "Is it too late for you to love me?" didn't ruin the episode itself, whether he was appealing to shippers or not. You can tell it's still Dan's style and not a fanfic. If you watched them and didn't look at the responses on the internet, it wouldn't affect you at all. When it comes to the actual "iCarly it factor" it had to do with the writers and Nick. They are doing the same jokes that aren't funny anymore. It gets old. Saying "Gibbaaayyyy" in every episode gets SO old, and people won't like it.
But I will say that shipping killed this fandom. It killed people's enjoyment of the show. It may have made people quit the iCarly fandom. However it's not like Glee or something where the writer wants to pull out a new relationship after 3 episodes to cater to the fandom, only to ruin the show.
Yeah, although I do think that they are straying away from the webshow. It doesn't have to do with the plot anymore for a lot of episodes. It seems like the characters are growing out of school problems and webshow problems, and just more about their life in general....which I think is kind of lame. I don't even think iCarly will even touch on the things they could with the webshow except maybe in the finale. Maybe.
@marc: Yeah IA. Tbh I did like the newer episodes(minus the One Direction one). It's just not worth waiting months for an episode like it, like FON said. If they regularly showed these episodes it would be fine. It did "change" though, so I can see why people don't like it. Also, I feel like they haven't given Spencer good subplots. The one where he gives the little girl a makeover was horrible.
@FON: Maybe it's just me, but I think they may have put more commercials in it and made the episode shorter by a minute or so. It also makes all the difference. It just flies by. Yet they'll spend 90 minutes doing a Victorious crossover that drags on forever. I'm glad their finale will be an hour long, they better make every minute of that worthwhile. Every minute!!
| vanillacupcakes wrote: |
@teenj: Yeah, I agree, but I do think that's more of ruining the fandom rather than the show. Like...it may ruin episodes for me with their drama, but that's only affecting how I see the show, not how the show actually is. It could maybe ruin the ratings with the boycotts(although I think that number is small and insignificant...not sure about that), but I don't think they directly caused the show to be the way it is right now. I think the only episodes they ruined was the arc(well...iSAFW too). With the arc, it felt like Dan kept thinking of the audience in his mind. When he started it off he wanted a "surprise/shock" ending in favor of Seddie, so they'd flail and freak out. Since it was so surprising, there wasn't that much development leading to it. The couple didn't even start off right. Plus he had 4 episodes focused around a couple, which isn't the essence of iCarly. I honestly can't remember a funny moment of iCan't Take It. You cannot tell somebody that was a "classic" iCarly episode, if that makes sense. After that, it seemed like Dan was doing things how he wants things to be and not how the fans want things to be. I guarantee most Seddie shippers wanted Sam and Freddie to stay together, say "I love you", and be in a serious relationship ala Beck/Jade season 1. Dan did not make that the case. He broke them up and didn't even put any "post break up" drama into it. He just puts his own bizarre, random humor in it and doesn't really give a chiz about fanservice(f.e. iApril Fools). In the past, he was able to deal with shippers when they were extremely crazy and put out good episodes. He is especially okay with doing it now. Anything regarding the bad episodes now is basically because of guest stars(iGo One Direction, iMeet the First Lady) or because of the writers not knowing what to do. Dan putting in one line of "He's still in love with me; it's kind of sad" or "Is it too late for you to love me?" didn't ruin the episode itself, whether he was appealing to shippers or not. You can tell it's still Dan's style and not a fanfic. If you watched them and didn't look at the responses on the internet, it wouldn't affect you at all. When it comes to the actual "iCarly it factor" it had to do with the writers and Nick. They are doing the same jokes that aren't funny anymore. It gets old. Saying "Gibbaaayyyy" in every episode gets SO old, and people won't like it. But I will say that shipping killed this fandom. It killed people's enjoyment of the show. It may have made people quit the iCarly fandom. However it's not like Glee or something where the writer wants to pull out a new relationship after 3 episodes to cater to the fandom, only to ruin the show. Yeah, although I do think that they are straying away from the webshow. It doesn't have to do with the plot anymore for a lot of episodes. It seems like the characters are growing out of school problems and webshow problems, and just more about their life in general....which I think is kind of lame. I don't even think iCarly will even touch on the things they could with the webshow except maybe in the finale. Maybe. |
Yea, I hate that the arc ever happened. Because your right, it was just Dan trying to cater to fans.
What I would have like was something like this:
- Sam and Freddie get together in iLost My Mind
- Instead of the arc, it would just be regular episodes. Have Freddie and Sam act all couple-y
-A few episodes later, they do iLove You, where Sam and Freddie break up.
In my opinion, the arc was extremely unnecessary and shouldn't have existed. That was a serious flaw in S5.
Another flaw being some of the episodes. Like iMeet The First Lady. Not that good of an episode. It felt super short. Then there was iBalls, which also felt short. iQ seemed oddly misplaced, like it shouldn't have been in S5. It also felt kinda short.iBloop 2 was terrible. iToe Fatcakes was good. But in my opinion the best episode of Season 5 was iStill Psycho. I felt that deserved to be a S4 episode.
About iStart A Fan War, yea that episode caused controversy, but no more than the usual shipping episode (iSaved Your Life, iThink They Kissed) and the Spencer subplot totally saved it, so its kinda redeemable to me.
Season 5 was overall a mediocre season..I mean it was decent and started off really good (iLost My Mind), but the arc was just terrible.
Liked the "chocolate chip cookie" metaphor. Lol. Good one. 
But the D word? Really? But it's understandable.
| BrookeParker wrote: |
But the D word? Really? But it's understandable. |
Uhhhh what?
Lol, I am one of those people who gets the cookie with the least amount of chocolate chips. I'm a rare species.
@teenj: Gibby never had a purpose, but he's gotten even worse. Spencer was the best character on the show, and I think they should take advantage of him and give him good subplots.
| vanillacupcakes wrote: |
Lol, I am one of those people who gets the cookie with the least amount of chocolate chips. I'm a rare species. |
| vanillacupcakes wrote: |
@marc: Yeah IA. Tbh I did like the newer episodes(minus the One Direction one). It's just not worth waiting months for an episode like it, like FON said. If they regularly showed these episodes it would be fine. It did "change" though, so I can see why people don't like it. Also, I feel like they haven't given Spencer good subplots. The one where he gives the little girl a makeover was horrible. |
| marcdragicevic wrote: | ||
It happens with Victorious. The first season of both shows were 20 episode in lengths; but why do they reduce the season length after that. |
Idk....I feel like Dan should just focus all of his energy on 1 show at a time. I'd rather have 1 good show than 2 bad ones. And are there new episodes of either show on right now? I feel like it's been awhile since the last Victorious. With Jennette's new show on it's way, Victorious will never get Dan's full attention. I feel like they had such long hiatuses for Miranda and Jennette to continue their music careers and tour...but honestly I don't care for either's music career. I do like Jennette's voice and Miranda's songs, but I wouldn't go to their concerts.
@Brooke: Yeah, I was confused. I didn't see any of the d words I was thinking of in this post....what word are you talking about?? Everything I see is appropriate here.
| vanillacupcakes wrote: |
| Lol I'm pretty sure he meant Dan. |
. I have no idea what I was on when I made that post, it has so many spelling errors .
