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Zuko fangirls..................

How many of u think dat the thread starter has a perfectly valid point????

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    _Nalesnik_

    [101]Jan 22, 2008
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    emotional baggage is overrated. Everyone has problems, we learn to deal with it. People that have been thru a lot, and not whine about it are considered good in my book. It's the ppl that can't keep it together, and complain about it all the time *coughZukocough* that still haven't "matured" yet.

    PS: im talking about S1-S2 Zuko.
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    tomtitan

    [102]Jan 22, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:
    Shaolina23 wrote:
    I don't thrust statistics since nobody asked me what I thought.
    now you've gone and done it. it's psych major time. the fact that the results were found to be statistically significant means that that there is at the very most a .05% chance of these results happening by random chance, as opposed to being a result of an actual quality of the population being studies. women do, in fact, have a tendency to find more masculine facial features more attractive during ovulation.

    plenty of people this about stats the same way you do, saying they're not trustworthy because they and/or the people they know don't match the results, but personal experience is not a controlled experiment. just because you don't think you fit the results, doesn't mean the results aren't true. and frankly, it's downright narcissistic to think one's own personal experience somehow trumps a valid controlled experiment.

    [/psych major mode]
    that's not just psych major knowledge, that's a pretty major point reguarding the entire scientific process of experimentation. well said.
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    _Nalesnik_

    [103]Jan 22, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:
    Shaolina23 wrote:
    I don't thrust statistics since nobody asked me what I thought.
    now you've gone and done it. it's psych major time. the fact that the results were found to be statistically significant means that that there is at the very most a .05% chance of these results happening by random chance, as opposed to being a result of an actual quality of the population being studies. women do, in fact, have a tendency to find more masculine facial features more attractive during ovulation.

    plenty of people this about stats the same way you do, saying they're not trustworthy because they and/or the people they know don't match the results, but personal experience is not a controlled experiment. just because you don't think you fit the results, doesn't mean the results aren't true. and frankly, it's downright narcissistic to think one's own personal experience somehow trumps a valid controlled experiment.

    [/psych major mode]


    isn't it 5%? I though the cut off point for a confidence interval/sig test was 5%?
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    LeonMorado

    [104]Jan 22, 2008
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    _Nalesnik_ wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    Shaolina23 wrote:
    I don't thrust statistics since nobody asked me what I thought.
    now you've gone and done it. it's psych major time. the fact that the results were found to be statistically significant means that that there is at the very most a .05% chance of these results happening by random chance, as opposed to being a result of an actual quality of the population being studies. women do, in fact, have a tendency to find more masculine facial features more attractive during ovulation.

    plenty of people this about stats the same way you do, saying they're not trustworthy because they and/or the people they know don't match the results, but personal experience is not a controlled experiment. just because you don't think you fit the results, doesn't mean the results aren't true. and frankly, it's downright narcissistic to think one's own personal experience somehow trumps a valid controlled experiment.

    [/psych major mode]


    isn't it 5%? I though the cut off point for a confidence interval/sig test was 5%?
    my bad. yeah the highest one used is 5%. my point remains, though.
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    Shaolina23

    [105]Jan 22, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:

    Shaolina23 wrote:
    I don't thrust statistics since nobody asked me what I thought.

    now you've gone and done it. it's psych major time.

    the fact that the results were found to be statistically significant means that that there is at the very most a 5% chance of these results happening by random chance, as opposed to being a result of an actual quality of the population being studies. women do, in fact, have a tendency to find more masculine facial features more attractive during ovulation.

    plenty of people this about stats the same way you do, saying they're not trustworthy because they and/or the people they know don't match the results, but personal experience is not a controlled experiment. just because you don't think you fit the results, doesn't mean the results aren't true. and frankly, it's downright narcissistic to think one's own personal experience somehow trumps a valid controlled experiment.

    [/psych major mode]


    I'm not trying to be narcissistic simply because my eggs don't control who I feel hot over. In part I believe it's not just a biology thing what makes you feel the way you feel about others. Also, I do know that that time of the month does make you hotter, but in the experiment I read it's not about a certain group of men. It just makes you hotter because the body is looking to procreate. So in the end I just wanted something where I can see the experiment regarding to that, and said experiment is not based on "out of x amount of people X% said". Is that such a crime? If you want to teach me something it's fine and welcomed by me, especially if it's your major, but don't end up saying I'm narcissistic.
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    kohirihiri

    [106]Jan 22, 2008
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    Randomly popping in, but I have a minor point to make I suppose..

    Most girls wouldn'task Zuko in real life because it would be difficult to get close to him let alone acquainted. He's not an open book.

    That's what the series lets you do. Get acquainted. Know the character.

    Hence:

    internal beauty + external beauty ('Twas not a typo.) = hots forZuko

    And, so I rest my case.

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    Spacerac

    [107]Jan 22, 2008
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    carmellaina wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Girls have just always liked bad boys on their periods, end of story.


    What type of guy do you like?
    Very funny.
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    Spike815

    [108]Jan 22, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    carmellaina wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Girls have just always liked bad boys on their periods, end of story.


    What type of guy do you like?
    Very funny.


    Well there are a lot of eligible comedians around here. Be careful tho, some are just weird.
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    Phyrra

    [109]Jan 22, 2008
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    kohirihiri wrote:

    Randomly popping in, but I have a minor point to make I suppose..

    Most girls wouldn'task Zuko in real life because it would be difficult to get close to him let alone acquainted. He's not an open book.

    That's what the series lets you do. Get acquainted. Know the character.

    Hence:

    internal beauty + external beauty ('Twas not a typo.) = hots forZuko

    And, so I rest my case.


    -just popping in, as well-
    Very true. He's very anti-social and for those of you who watched passed DoBS, you can see how poor those [social] skills are. On rare occassions, does he open up, and to strangers- it's no less.

    Now, here's my point to why I think this person (thread author with little grammar skills) is wrong.

    1. Of course, in animation, he'd probably be much better looking. But, you have no way of knowing what a girl likes or not. Scars included. We all have different tastes.

    2. See above answer. And I hate when people call him emo. I don't discrminate against the stereotype, but the only way I see he could be is the fact he's sensitive and his firebending is based more on emotion. The series mostly potrays him as angry, confused, and misunderstood by characters and viewers alike- not emo. No suicide attempts as we have known of (of course, I'm not saying all emos attempt such things, either).

    Here's my ridiculous excuse to why I think a lot of females adore Zuko so much. Yes, some do have fantasies of hugging and admiring him in person *coughmecough*. But why? Because of that maternal instinct. Now, I'm not saying that's true for every female- some literally just have the hots for him because he's sexyfine. But, I can tell you most fans of Zuko feel for him, connect with such a complex character, and feel empathy toward his past and relationship with his father. Maternal instinct plays a hidden role- we want to baby him. Not the 'dress him up in a doll dress' kind of way, but the very fact that he is discriminated and shunned by all but a few people in his world makes us literally want to go up to him and tell him 'everything is alright and we love you.' Obviously, it would take no affect because he's a cartoon and he probably wouldn't care anyway, but it's his past and confusion that makes us attached and pay attention to him- it sounds silly, but I really think it's true.

    Great design in character + external/internal beauty + pinch of maternal instinct= Fangirlism for Zuko.

    As for males, they have similar reasons of empathy that isn't quite maternal instinct, but it still doesn't make them any less of a fan.
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    LeonMorado

    [110]Jan 22, 2008
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    Shaolina23 wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:

    Shaolina23 wrote:
    I don't thrust statistics since nobody asked me what I thought.

    now you've gone and done it. it's psych major time.

    the fact that the results were found to be statistically significant means that that there is at the very most a 5% chance of these results happening by random chance, as opposed to being a result of an actual quality of the population being studies. women do, in fact, have a tendency to find more masculine facial features more attractive during ovulation.

    plenty of people this about stats the same way you do, saying they're not trustworthy because they and/or the people they know don't match the results, but personal experience is not a controlled experiment. just because you don't think you fit the results, doesn't mean the results aren't true. and frankly, it's downright narcissistic to think one's own personal experience somehow trumps a valid controlled experiment.

    [/psych major mode]


    I'm not trying to be narcissistic simply because my eggs don't control who I feel hot over. In part I believe it's not just a biology thing what makes you feel the way you feel about others. Also, I do know that that time of the month does make you hotter, but in the experiment I read it's not about a certain group of men. It just makes you hotter because the body is looking to procreate. So in the end I just wanted something where I can see the experiment regarding to that, and said experiment is not based on "out of x amount of people X% said". Is that such a crime? If you want to teach me something it's fine and welcomed by me, especially if it's your major, but don't end up saying I'm narcissistic.
    three things. one: affect =/= control. no one's claiming women are mindless slaves to their hormones. the study was specifically about attraction to facial features, not overall attraction to an individual.

    two: surveys =/= statistics. the kind of survey you just described wouldn't be a valid experiment for a lot of reasons, the main one being that people aren't really aware of subtle changes in the facial features they find most attractive, and simply asking isn't a reliable way to measure something so subtle. you need a controlled experiment.

    three: i'm sorry if i overreacted. i'm a bit sensitive about people invalidating the stuff i've studied because they think they know better. i know that's not what you were trying to do, and i apologize.
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    MarryLarry

    [111]Jan 22, 2008
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    This thread is better than Sex Ed.

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    Shaolina23

    [112]Jan 23, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:
    Shaolina23 wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:

    Shaolina23 wrote:
    I don't thrust statistics since nobody asked me what I thought.

    now you've gone and done it. it's psych major time.

    the fact that the results were found to be statistically significant means that that there is at the very most a 5% chance of these results happening by random chance, as opposed to being a result of an actual quality of the population being studies. women do, in fact, have a tendency to find more masculine facial features more attractive during ovulation.

    plenty of people this about stats the same way you do, saying they're not trustworthy because they and/or the people they know don't match the results, but personal experience is not a controlled experiment. just because you don't think you fit the results, doesn't mean the results aren't true. and frankly, it's downright narcissistic to think one's own personal experience somehow trumps a valid controlled experiment.

    [/psych major mode]


    I'm not trying to be narcissistic simply because my eggs don't control who I feel hot over. In part I believe it's not just a biology thing what makes you feel the way you feel about others. Also, I do know that that time of the month does make you hotter, but in the experiment I read it's not about a certain group of men. It just makes you hotter because the body is looking to procreate. So in the end I just wanted something where I can see the experiment regarding to that, and said experiment is not based on "out of x amount of people X% said". Is that such a crime? If you want to teach me something it's fine and welcomed by me, especially if it's your major, but don't end up saying I'm narcissistic.
    three things. one: affect =/= control. no one's claiming women are mindless slaves to their hormones. the study was specifically about attraction to facial features, not overall attraction to an individual.

    two: surveys =/= statistics. the kind of survey you just described wouldn't be a valid experiment for a lot of reasons, the main one being that people aren't really aware of subtle changes in the facial features they find most attractive, and simply asking isn't a reliable way to measure something so subtle. you need a controlled experiment.

    three: i'm sorry if i overreacted. i'm a bit sensitive about people invalidating the stuff i've studied because they think they know better. i know that's not what you were trying to do, and i apologize.


    I apologize too if I came off wrong. I sometimes don't come out clearly when I explain myself. Also, I'm never afraid to admit I was wrong, especially if I learn something out of it. I'm in humanities so this type of things are the things I learn about from friends who get me into reading about them.


    So care to show me the actual experiment and the process then? I would like to learn about it if I'm to change my mind about it.
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    LeonMorado

    [113]Jan 23, 2008
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    Shaolina23 wrote:
    I apologize too if I came off wrong. I sometimes don't come out clearly when I explain myself. Also, I'm never afraid to admit I was wrong, especially if I learn something out of it. I'm in humanities so this type of things are the things I learn about from friends who get me into reading about them.

    So care to show me the actual experiment and the process then? I would like to learn about it if I'm to change my mind about it.
    i haven't found the study yet, it's been years since i saw it and i can't use csun's databases since i graduated. all i've found so far is this bbc news article about it, and it's not a very good one.

    basically the study took a male face and set up a computer program to digitally alter the features making them either softer and less masculine, or sharper and more masculine, participants in the study could adjust the setting to the middle ground they thought was most attractive. the results showed that during ovulation there was a significant tendency toward the more masculine side of the spectrum. biologcal anthropologists believe this is an evolutionary trait resulting from the fact that these masculine facial features are a result of high levels of testosterone, which in terms of natural selection, would mean a healthy male with a high chance of survival. i'll keep looking for the study, though.
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    Glitterstrar

    [114]Jun 14, 2008
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    I am a Zuko fangirl. I admit, I didn't really like him in book 1, but during book to, he slowly started to be fanworthy- mainly at the end. And then in book 3 when he started to get confused and all that, I was officially a fangirl.
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    TheFungusyOne

    [115]Jun 14, 2008
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    *leans in and whispers*
    ZUKO FTW!!!
    *fades back into background*
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    Phyrra

    [116]Jun 14, 2008
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    TheFungusyOne wrote:
    *leans in and whispers*
    ZUKO FTW!!!
    *fades back into background*



    Nice.
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    mangafreak5000

    [117]Jun 19, 2008
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    blueboy_121 wrote:
    Murellus wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:

    remember pooldude? the former editor of this forum? he made a set of rules in a thread called "Avatar: The Last Airbender Guide & Forum Rules" here's an extract of that thread.

    pooldude256 wrote:
    Reviewing of Episodes: In relation to reviewing episodes of Avatar: The Last Airbender:

    1. Please do not post reviews until the episode finally airs in the US. This site is for intelligent discussions of TV shows and "OMG THIS EPISODE IS ABOUT ZUKO SO ITS GONNA ROCK!!" is not an acceptable review. Reviews submitted before an episode aired will be reported to the TV.com staff.

    2. No curse words in the reviews please. Although there are many adults who visit this site, there are also many kids, as this show is rated Y-7. Please be respectful of that.

    3. Please used proper grammar and spelling. Online your identity is shown through how you communicate and structure those communications. If you think it is "cool" to not capitalize letters, punctuate sentences properly and use proper English, you give other people a bad impression of yourself. This can also apply to the forums.

    Thank you for understanding. You won't be reported for violations of number 3, unless it is so hard to read it's confusing. Please try to make your reviews at least readable.

    please pay particular attention to the bolded point.

    and one more thing, avatar isn't an anime, we assume people know this, clearly they don't.

    Grammarcheck'd!
    u guys do realize that that was the MOST stupid thing 2 point out......evry 1 does .......dont b so hypocritical!!!! and nyway pooldude is gone so u can stop adoring him........

    *gasps* You DID NOT just say that about Pooldude! Dude, that was so rude I can't even tell you. Pooldude was by far one of the best moderators we have ever had, so you you go and dis-respect the man! That being said, as suprising as it may sound, that statement about us fan girls not liking Zuko for his personality is false. I just adore him, and you've got another thing coming if you think that women don't like scars or emos. We LOVE them. I can name at least ten girls I know who like emo guys (especially when they wear eye liner.)

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