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Zuko a Failure? Yes or No

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    Airbenderluver

    [61]May 3, 2006
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    i think you all hate Zuko.
    Reasons he's NOT a failure:
    1)His father is a jerk, which makes him seem like a failure
    2)did hie fail at freeing the Avater? i think not!
    and most important numero uno 3(i know that doesnt make sense) He keeps trying and that's all that really matters.
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    sluggmunki_tx

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    Airbenderluver wrote:
    i think you all hate Zuko.
    Reasons he's NOT a failure:
    1)His father is a jerk, which makes him seem like a failure
    2)did hie fail at freeing the Avater? i think not!
    and most important numero uno 3(i know that doesnt make sense) He keeps trying and that's all that really matters.


    numero tres (number 3). There you go.
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    Airbenderluver

    [63]May 3, 2006
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    sluggmunki_tx wrote:
    Airbenderluver wrote:
    i think you all hate Zuko.
    Reasons he's NOT a failure:
    1)His father is a jerk, which makes him seem like a failure
    2)did hie fail at freeing the Avater? i think not!
    and most important numero uno 3(i know that doesnt make sense) He keeps trying and that's all that really matters.


    numero tres (number 3). There you go.

    w/e i did that to make a poit. hey, you are the only one here right now, do you hate Zuko?
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    bulefireskull

    [64]May 3, 2006
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    I don't
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    Airbenderluver

    [65]May 3, 2006
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    bulefireskull wrote:
    I don't
    oh, hi sorry. sorry for not agknowledging your existance
    Edited on 05/03/2006 12:57pm
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    ISpeakTheTruth

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    Airbenderluver wrote:
    i think you all hate Zuko. Reasons he's NOT a failure: 1)His father is a jerk, which makes him seem like a failure 2)did hie fail at freeing the Avater? i think not! and most important numero uno 3(i know that doesnt make sense) He keeps trying and that's all that really matters.

    Your first reason doesn't even make sense.

    Your second did Aang have to save him...Yes

    And finally??Succeeding ??makes you a .success..Failing makes you a failure.

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    animekitsune

    [67]May 3, 2006
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    Who said Zuko was a failkure??? Most of us just said Ozai though he was a failure because??Ozai's a jerk like that.
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    bulefireskull

    [68]May 3, 2006
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    Airbenderluver wrote:
    bulefireskull wrote:
    I don't
    oh, hi sorry. sorry for not agknowledging your existance
    Uh that ok
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    mellomuse

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    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:

    Airbenderluver wrote:
    i think you all hate Zuko. Reasons he's NOT a failure: 1)His father is a jerk, which makes him seem like a failure 2)did hie fail at freeing the Avater? i think not! and most important numero uno 3(i know that doesnt make sense) He keeps trying and that's all that really matters.

    Your first reason doesn't even make sense.

    Your second did Aang have to save him...Yes

    And finally??Succeeding ??makes you a .success..Failing makes you a failure.

    Hey, in It's A Wonderful Life (just about the best movie ever!) Clarence the Angel wrote, "No man is a failure who has friends."?? Oh, wait...

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    bulefireskull

    [70]May 4, 2006
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    zuko has no friends whaaa
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    ISpeakTheTruth

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    mellomuse wrote:
    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:

    Airbenderluver wrote:
    i think you all hate Zuko. Reasons he's NOT a failure: 1)His father is a jerk, which makes him seem like a failure 2)did hie fail at freeing the Avater? i think not! and most important numero uno 3(i know that doesnt make sense) He keeps trying and that's all that really matters.

    Your first reason doesn't even make sense.

    Your second did Aang have to save him...Yes

    And finally??Succeeding ??makes you a .success..Failing makes you a failure.

    Hey, in It's A Wonderful Life (just about the best movie ever!) Clarence the Angel wrote, "No man is a failure who has friends."?? Oh, wait...

    Clarence said a lot of things...And he bit people...Of course he would say that because he too was a failure he couldn't even get his wings...And it took him the longest to get them out of all the other Angels.

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    xReDRaiN

    [72]May 4, 2006
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    Failure and success are measured about a person until the time they die. If he were to die soon, then he is a failure, but he is still very young. Time tells all.
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    bulefireskull

    [73]May 4, 2006
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    Your a prophet aren't you
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    LittleHobbit13

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    mellomuse wrote:

    Hey, in It's A Wonderful Life (just about the best movie ever!) Clarence the Angel wrote, "No man is a failure who has friends."?? Oh, wait...

    And yet, I wouldn't say that's entirely true.?? Aang extended the hand of friendship to him, remember??? And beyond being his uncle, Iroh could be considered his friend.?? And after "The Storm" he has a whole ship full of soldiers who respect him.??

    I mean, the first post contains all the ways in which Zuko didn't accomplish what he was attempting, as trivial as some of them may be.?? What if we drew up a list of all the times Aang failed at trivial matters.?? It would be nearly as long, but we don't say that he's a failure simply because he's the "good guy main character".?? Some of Aang's failures are even less trivial than Zuko's.?? In the Bato episode, he failed to believe in his friends and didn't give them their father's letter.?? He failed to stop Jet.?? He failed to stop the Moon's death.?? He failed to leave Kyoshi island before Zuko found him like Katara warned.?? He failed to listen to Jeong-Jeong (sp?) about firebending and ended up burning Katara.?? Etc etc etc.?? Aang has failed just as many times as Zuko has, and some of those times were about important things.?? Solon of??ancient greece once told King Croesus that he believed a man's life's worth could only be determined at his death.????Only the full??sum of experiences can measure that.?? Zuko is clearly not a failure.

    someone198 wrote:

    Zuko's a failure at being a villain, that's for sure.

    But first of all, he *did* defeat Katara earlier that day once the sun came up, and if you use the sun as the only excuse for his strength, you could just as easily attribute Katara's strength only to the moon being full. Second, about the night of "The Blue Spirit," he got into an "impenetrable" fortress- twice- and single-handedly took out four fire benders to get to Aang.

    Zuko??stood up for a small troop of expendable soldiers, completely unknown to him, valuing human life more than etiquette. He defeated Zhao in an Agni Kai and had the upper hand during their entire fight at the North Pole before the Ocean Spirit interfered. He sprung and took down an armed man with his bare hands in??a??dark alley like Batman. Pretty impressive resume- more impressive than Aang's, I might add, without the Avatar State.

    Finally, Zuko??showed his arch enemy mercy when he could have killed him ("Southern Air Temple") and tried to save his life ("Siege of the North"), neither of which we know he couldn't expect from Zhao.??That's what I think proves his real strength: despite his upbringing and the atmosphere that surrounded him his entire life and his abuse, he's still himself. The Fire Nation, his sister, and his father have hurt him and beaten him down, but not broken or changed him. I think the fact that *he* cut his hair proves that; he severed his ties with his people of his own free will, which I'm sure hurt, but that requires all the more courage.

    Now, Zuko definitely thinks of himself as a failure- hates himself for failing his father when he should hate his father for attacking him. Maybe that's weak and crazy, but not at all uncommon.

    So, Zuko has his strengths and weaknesses- that's what I call "human."

    I <3 your mind.

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    zuko3000

    [75]May 4, 2006
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    NO NO NO he is not a failure!how about he couldn't get Aang because he's the Avater!!!

    I am Anime King!!!

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    bulefireskull

    [76]May 5, 2006
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    yup no faliure here.
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    ISpeakTheTruth

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    zuko3000 wrote:

    NO NO NO he is not a failure!how about he couldn't get Aang because he's the Avater!!!

    OK then how about the fact that he couldn't even touch his sister and she all but beat him to death before his uncle had to bail him out...Failure.

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    xReDRaiN

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    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    zuko3000 wrote:

    NO NO NO he is not a failure!how about he couldn't get Aang because he's the Avater!!!

    OK then how about the fact that he couldn't even touch his sister and she all but beat him to death before his uncle had to bail him out...Failure.



    Not everyone is born a prodigee like Azula. You have to respect her skills and what she was blessed with. I can see Zuko getting better as a fighter and getting some much needed revenge before the show comes to a conclusion.
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    FreakishChild

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    Edited on 05/17/2006 4:19pm
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    animekitsune

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    Just because you're a firelord you don't automatically become a tyrant.
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