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Zuko a Failure? Yes or No

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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [1]Apr 23, 2006
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    I've been thinking about making this thread for some time and now is that time.

    Let's look at Zuko and why I think he is in almost almost everything he does a failure.

    1)Zuko fails to fight his father. That was a????conscious??decision?? but he was not only a failure in this but an utter??embarrassment to his father, nation, and throne.

    2) He has failed to capture Aang on numerous occasions.??And in??essence failed to regain his throne or his father's respect.??

    3) He failed in freeing Aang, In the end it was Aang who had to save him.

    4) He was defeated by Katara. He lost humiliatingly to a virtual novice. In one move....A failure.

    5) He fails in not only being able to defeat his sister but he fails to even lay a finger on her...once again humiliatingly.

    So...What do you say about Zuko...Failure or Success?

    And please if you say he's not a failure please explain to me why you think he's not.

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    karatewolfpunk

    [2]Apr 23, 2006
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    I see him as an embarrassment to the Fire Nation and a failure to it. I mean I would have done the same thing to my kid (one reason I shouldn't have children). He's a failure in mind, and that makes him a failure physically too.
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    Breakflame

    [3]Apr 23, 2006
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    Off-topic, but, but I gotta tell this to people. go to google and type in failure. then press the feeling lucky button. You'll get a kick.

    P.S. this may or may not be exclusive to those with Internet Explorer. I am not sure. Its still funny as hell.
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    meobviously

    [4]Apr 23, 2006
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    Yeah, Zuko's a failure. But he has the potential to remedy that.
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    sly4me

    [5]Apr 23, 2006
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    Zuko will be like??one those people who fail their whole life, but then they succeed in a huge way. (like Michael Jordan)

    EDIT: thanks for the??laugh breakflame

    Edited on 04/23/2006 4:24pm
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    karatewolfpunk

    [6]Apr 23, 2006
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    Breakflame wrote:
    Off-topic, but, but I gotta tell this to people. go to google and type in failure. then press the feeling lucky button. You'll get a kick. P.S. this may or may not be exclusive to those with Internet Explorer. I am not sure. Its still funny as hell.

    LOL!

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    someone198

    [7]Apr 23, 2006
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    Zuko's a failure at being a villain, that's for sure.

    But first of all, he *did* defeat Katara earlier that day once the sun came up, and if you use the sun as the only excuse for his strength, you could just as easily attribute Katara's strength only to the moon being full. Second, about the night of "The Blue Spirit," he got into an "impenetrable" fortress- twice- and single-handedly took out four fire benders to get to Aang.

    Zuko??stood up for a small troop of expendable soldiers, completely unknown to him, valuing human life more than etiquette. He defeated Zhao in an Agni Kai and had the upper hand during their entire fight at the North Pole before the Ocean Spirit interfered. He sprung and took down an armed man with his bare hands in??a??dark alley like Batman. Pretty impressive resume- more impressive than Aang's, I might add, without the Avatar State.

    Finally, Zuko??showed his arch enemy mercy when he could have killed him ("Southern Air Temple") and tried to save his life ("Siege of the North"), neither of which we know he couldn't expect from Zhao.??That's what I think proves his real strength: despite his upbringing and the atmosphere that surrounded him his entire life and his abuse, he's still himself. The Fire Nation, his sister, and his father have hurt him and beaten him down, but not broken or changed him. I think the fact that *he* cut his hair proves that; he severed his ties with his people of his own free will, which I'm sure hurt, but that requires all the more courage.

    Now, Zuko definitely thinks of himself as a failure- hates himself for failing his father when he should hate his father for attacking him. Maybe that's weak and crazy, but not at all uncommon.

    So, Zuko has his strengths and weaknesses- that's what I call "human."

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    mellomuse

    [8]Apr 23, 2006
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    karatewolfpunk wrote:

    Breakflame wrote:
    Off-topic, but, but I gotta tell this to people. go to google and type in failure. then press the feeling lucky button. You'll get a kick. P.S. this may or may not be exclusive to those with Internet Explorer. I am not sure. Its still funny as hell.

    LOL!



    Double LOL!!
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    all456

    [9]Apr 23, 2006
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    yes
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    mellomuse

    [10]Apr 23, 2006
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    someone198 wrote:

    Zuko's a failure at being a villain, that's for sure.

    But first of all, he *did* defeat Katara earlier that day once the sun came up, and if you use the sun as the only excuse for his strength, you could just as easily attribute Katara's strength only to the moon being full. Second, about the night of "The Blue Spirit," he got into an "impenetrable" fortress- twice- and single-handedly took out four fire benders to get to Aang.

    Zuko??stood up for a small troop of expendable soldiers, completely unknown to him, valuing human life more than etiquette. He defeated Zhao in an Agni Kai and had the upper hand during their entire fight at the North Pole before the Ocean Spirit interfered. He sprung and took down an armed man with his bare hands in??a??dark alley like Batman. Pretty impressive resume- more impressive than Aang's, I might add, without the Avatar State.

    Finally, Zuko??showed his arch enemy mercy when he could have killed him ("Southern Air Temple") and tried to save his life ("Siege of the North"), neither of which we know he couldn't expect from Zhao.??That's what I think proves his real strength: despite his upbringing and the atmosphere that surrounded him his entire life and his abuse, he's still himself. The Fire Nation, his sister, and his father have hurt him and beaten him down, but not broken or changed him. I think the fact that *he* cut his hair proves that; he severed his ties with his people of his own free will, which I'm sure hurt, but that requires all the more courage.

    Now, Zuko definitely thinks of himself as a failure- hates himself for failing his father when he should hate his father for attacking him. Maybe that's weak and crazy, but not at all uncommon.

    So, Zuko has his strengths and weaknesses- that's what I call "human."



    Woo-hoo! *Waves Zuko banner*

    I have a a very Tolkien-esque explanation but I don't have time to write it right now. Maybe tomorrow.

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    bulefireskull

    [11]Apr 23, 2006
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    no HE may not beat the avatar but come on he is the main charater the main charater always win no mater what And the post eailer that said all that stuff he did make him not a failure I maen his dad doesn't even love him and his sister want to capture hello talk about no family and he care for them still he is no failure.
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    sly4me

    [12]Apr 23, 2006
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    bulefireskull wrote:
    no HE may not beat the avatar but come on he is the main charater the main charater always win no mater what And the post eailer that said all that stuff he did make him not a failure I maen his dad doesn't even love him and his sister want to capture hello talk about no family and he care for them still he is no failure.
    Neo didn't win...
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    bulefireskull

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    what neo who neo from the matrixs
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    sluggmunki_tx

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    mellomuse wrote:
    karatewolfpunk wrote:

    Breakflame wrote:
    Off-topic, but, but I gotta tell this to people. go to google and type in failure. then press the feeling lucky button. You'll get a kick. P.S. this may or may not be exclusive to those with Internet Explorer. I am not sure. Its still funny as hell.

    LOL!



    Double LOL!!


    Never thought about that. Triple LOL!!!
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    bulefireskull

    [15]Apr 23, 2006
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    Um ok what is so funny I must see it my self.
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    sluggmunki_tx

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    bulefireskull wrote:
    Um ok what is so funny I must see it my self.


    Go to Google, type in failure, then press the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button and it brings out a page with George Bush. Try it.
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    someone198 wrote:

    Zuko's a failure at being a villain, that's for sure.

    But first of all, he *did* defeat Katara earlier that day once the sun came up, and if you use the sun as the only excuse for his strength, you could just as easily attribute Katara's strength only to the moon being full. Second, about the night of "The Blue Spirit," he got into an "impenetrable" fortress- twice- and single-handedly took out four fire benders to get to Aang.

    Zuko??stood up for a small troop of expendable soldiers, completely unknown to him, valuing human life more than etiquette. He defeated Zhao in an Agni Kai and had the upper hand during their entire fight at the North Pole before the Ocean Spirit interfered. He sprung and took down an armed man with his bare hands in??a??dark alley like Batman. Pretty impressive resume- more impressive than Aang's, I might add, without the Avatar State.

    Finally, Zuko??showed his arch enemy mercy when he could have killed him ("Southern Air Temple") and tried to save his life ("Siege of the North"), neither of which we know he couldn't expect from Zhao.??That's what I think proves his real strength: despite his upbringing and the atmosphere that surrounded him his entire life and his abuse, he's still himself. The Fire Nation, his sister, and his father have hurt him and beaten him down, but not broken or changed him. I think the fact that *he* cut his hair proves that; he severed his ties with his people of his own free will, which I'm sure hurt, but that requires all the more courage.

    Now, Zuko definitely thinks of himself as a failure- hates himself for failing his father when he should hate his father for attacking him. Maybe that's weak and crazy, but not at all uncommon.

    So, Zuko has his strengths and weaknesses- that's what I call "human."



    Thank you!
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    bulefireskull

    [18]Apr 23, 2006
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    Zuko is no faulire just a human being with a mess up family and past poor him *cry* Ilove his side of the story just so sad.
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    cheezewiz_911

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    He also did rescue his uncle from those earthbenders. So that a good thing.
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    Kanelle

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    sluggmunki_tx wrote:
    bulefireskull wrote:
    Um ok what is so funny I must see it my self.
    Go to Google, type in failure, then press the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button and it brings out a page with George Bush. Try it.

    Try typeing 'idiot' and the lucky button??

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