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    uchia2000

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    SilverFlames wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    You guys are really repetive you talk about Naruto being repetive then you are surely mistaken none of you watch Naruto to know that or the manga for that matter. You guys are saying the same things but resiting it again, thats pathetic. Naruto is made up of original villains maybe a few have charcteristics for another show. The villains are unique rather than the taking over earth thing.


    Orochimaru, take over the world
    Akastuki, take over the world.

    (Uh.. duh?)
    Orochimaru didn't want to take over the world.
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    SweetnesS_34

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    Eddy654 wrote:
    You guys are really repetive you talk about Naruto being repetive then you are surely mistaken none of you watch Naruto to know that or the manga for that matter. You guys are saying the same things but resiting it again, thats pathetic. Naruto is made up of original villains maybe a few have charcteristics for another show. The villains are unique rather than the taking over earth thing.

    Right, what's so unique about Naruto's villains?

    They wear capes with red clouds printed on them...thats original, oh yeah, and they all paint their toe nails with black nail polish....you ain't never see that before
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    Eman5805

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    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'd also like to note that watching fights and actions sequences is actually entertaining in Avatar.

    There is no: "Wow I'm really hurt. Time to talk for an hour. My childhood sucks so bad."

    Second best post in this topic, next to Eman's.


    That post is purely exaggeration.


    Not entirely. Every single piece of canon background is givin in the middle of a fight. Sometimes in the middle of the character about to be attacked by the other guy's best shot.

    Gaara comes to mind, except he was the one attacking mostly. Definetly Rock Lee. "I never was good at ninjutsus, so I worked hard at taijutsu." Childhood sucks, but it can make you a stronger person sometimes.

    Great message and all, but yeah, it gets redone a couple dozen times in Naruto. Not knocking it, but don't deny it either. The only characters who seem to have had normal childhoods are Shino and Tenten. And that's only because they haven't poured their soul while pouring out blood, yet.
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    avalame122

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    SweetnesS_34 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    SweetnesS_34 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    SweetnesS_34 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    SweetnesS_34 wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Avatar has already ended anyway. They ended it with a 60 page childrens book.

    Don't confuse Nick's stupidity with the show.

    Then don't confuse fillers with the actual Naruto.

    Completely different. If Cartoon Network did some screwy censorship or poor marketing or did what they did with Avatar, I'd be like "Aww, sorry " We accept fillers are part of our show, why can't you accept yours?

    Fillers in Naruto don't count because they're not from the manga. If it's not from the manga, it doesn't count.

    This topic is about the shows if I remember correctly. Not the manga.

    There basicaly the same thing, are you mad because avatar doesnt have one.

    They're not the same thing, you just said the anime has 160 episodes of filler And in fact I'm EXTREMELY EXTREMELY happy Avatar doesn't have a manga, because this way WE don't have to sit through filler.

    85 episode's and that was to get ready for Naruto shippuden. Avatar does have fillers it doesnt have as much becuase it had no time to waste because it's such as short show.


    So you admit Naruto wastes time.
    No it doesn't, DBZ wastes time.
    DBZ is allot more interesting then both Naruto and Avatar, so whatchu talkin bout?

    You wish. DBZ is a has-been. Besides, Naruto is, in a way, based loosely off of DBZ itself.
    Loosely? DBZ alone is the only reason why crappy animes like Naruto are made, not to say DBZ is crappy though, just all these cliche Shounen that they keep coming out with

    You don't know what you're talking about.

    DBZ had no real story. Just a bunch of people threatening to blow up the earth.
    Okay, and Naruto has a bunch of 12 year old ninjas, dressed in bright colors, preaching about the Will of Fire fighting with gardening knives? Come on, Naruto sucks. Fake kid ninjas, fighting crappy liche villains in a Candyland type of world

    Congratulations, you're an S-class retard.

    You better go to Iraq or Burma and witness what you refer to as Candyland.


    OMG...you did not just compare a cartoon with the real life sh*t storm that is Iraq.
    I changed his quote to try and prove that I'm not an S-class retard There's nothing more you can do, other then acknowledge it

    Fixed.

    Also, you moron, they're not 12. Idiot.
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    avalame122 wrote:
    SweetnesS_34 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    SweetnesS_34 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    SweetnesS_34 wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Avatar has already ended anyway. They ended it with a 60 page childrens book.

    Don't confuse Nick's stupidity with the show.

    Then don't confuse fillers with the actual Naruto.

    Completely different. If Cartoon Network did some screwy censorship or poor marketing or did what they did with Avatar, I'd be like "Aww, sorry " We accept fillers are part of our show, why can't you accept yours?

    Fillers in Naruto don't count because they're not from the manga. If it's not from the manga, it doesn't count.

    This topic is about the shows if I remember correctly. Not the manga.

    There basicaly the same thing, are you mad because avatar doesnt have one.

    They're not the same thing, you just said the anime has 160 episodes of filler And in fact I'm EXTREMELY EXTREMELY happy Avatar doesn't have a manga, because this way WE don't have to sit through filler.

    85 episode's and that was to get ready for Naruto shippuden. Avatar does have fillers it doesnt have as much becuase it had no time to waste because it's such as short show.
    So you admit Naruto wastes time.
    No it doesn't, DBZ wastes time.
    DBZ is allot more interesting then both Naruto and Avatar, so whatchu talkin bout?
    You wish. DBZ is a has-been. Besides, Naruto is, in a way, based loosely off of DBZ itself.
    Loosely? DBZ alone is the only reason why crappy animes like Naruto are made, not to say DBZ is crappy though, just all these cliche Shounen that they keep coming out with
    You don't know what you're talking about. DBZ had no real story. Just a bunch of people threatening to blow up the earth.
    Okay, and Naruto has a bunch of 12 year old ninjas, dressed in bright colors, preaching about the Will of Fire fighting with gardening knives? Come on, Naruto sucks. Fake kid ninjas, fighting crappy liche villains in a Candyland type of world
    Congratulations, you're an S-class retard You better go to Iraq or Burma and witness what you refer to as Candyland.

    Yes, compare anime villains to insurgents who murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people, torture people, and cut people's heads off on internet videos.

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    Eddy654 wrote:
    You guys are really repetive you talk about Naruto being repetive then you are surely mistaken none of you watch Naruto to know that or the manga for that matter. You guys are saying the same things but resiting it again, thats pathetic. Naruto is made up of original villains maybe a few have charcteristics for another show. The villains are unique rather than the taking over earth thing.

    Right, what's so unique about Naruto's villains?

    Well they have a cool design and nice plan and plot. Plus they have their own charctersitics and own special attacks nothing you guys would know since this show marely has any attacks besides's the element bending.
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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    Eddy654 wrote:
    You guys are really repetive you talk about Naruto being repetive then you are surely mistaken none of you watch Naruto to know that or the manga for that matter. You guys are saying the same things but resiting it again, thats pathetic. Naruto is made up of original villains maybe a few have charcteristics for another show. The villains are unique rather than the taking over earth thing.

    Right, what's so unique about Naruto's villains?

    There not your typical "I evil. You die. MUHAHAHAHA" They actually have substance. Orochimaru is one of the most original villians i've seen in an anime, even though he's creepy as hell.
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    avalame122 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'd also like to note that watching fights and actions sequences is actually entertaining in Avatar.

    There is no: "Wow I'm really hurt. Time to talk for an hour. My childhood sucks so bad."

    Exaggeration alert.

    Of course not for an hour. But for as long as the actual fight sequences with CONSTANT flashbacks about THE SAME THING? Bingo.

    I remember back at the start of the series there was the fight between Zaku and Shino. Zaku's flashback took up half the battle, and was elaborated upon over and over again. Boohoo, I'm evil and a pedo who takes kids to caves and physically experiments on them made me a badass.

    Noone cares. I wanted to see an actual fight, not a five minute long flashback sequence for a character who made three appearances on the show.

    The fight between Sakura and Chiyo vs Sasori had TWO different talking sections on and off constantly.

    There were long, drawn out parts where they conversed with one another, then there were flashbacks about Sasori.

    More than half of that 10+ minute fightscene was staring the other guy down.

    Absolutely freakin' retarded.

    Plot and character development overrule everything else in a fictional work. You don't have them. You don't have a good story.

    So because our plot is in it's place and our fights are actually actiony, the story's not good?

    Naruto is like watching a turn-based battle system in real time.

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    SilverFlames wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    You guys are really repetive you talk about Naruto being repetive then you are surely mistaken none of you watch Naruto to know that or the manga for that matter. You guys are saying the same things but resiting it again, thats pathetic. Naruto is made up of original villains maybe a few have charcteristics for another show. The villains are unique rather than the taking over earth thing.


    Orochimaru, take over the world
    Akastuki, take over the world.

    (Uh.. duh?)
    Uchia is right, Oro wanted to become Immortal to one day discover all the mysteries of the world and some how bring back his dead parents
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    SilverFlames wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    You guys are really repetive you talk about Naruto being repetive then you are surely mistaken none of you watch Naruto to know that or the manga for that matter. You guys are saying the same things but resiting it again, thats pathetic. Naruto is made up of original villains maybe a few have charcteristics for another show. The villains are unique rather than the taking over earth thing.


    Orochimaru, take over the world
    Akastuki, take over the world.

    (Uh.. duh?)

    Orochimaru, cliche as he is, didn't want to take over the world.
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    Eddy654 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'd also like to note that watching fights and actions sequences is actually entertaining in Avatar.

    There is no: "Wow I'm really hurt. Time to talk for an hour. My childhood sucks so bad."

    Exaggeration alert.

    Of course not for an hour. But for as long as the actual fight sequences with CONSTANT flashbacks about THE SAME THING? Bingo.

    I remember back at the start of the series there was the fight between Zaku and Shino. Zaku's flashback took up half the battle, and was elaborated upon over and over again. Boohoo, I'm evil and a pedo who takes kids to caves and physically experiments on them made me a badass.

    Noone cares. I wanted to see an actual fight, not a five minute long flashback sequence for a character who made three appearances on the show.

    The fight between Sakura and Chiyo vs Sasori had TWO different talking sections on and off constantly.

    There were long, drawn out parts where they conversed with one another, then there were flashbacks about Sasori.

    More than half of that 10+ minute fightscene was staring the other guy down.

    Absolutely freakin' retarded.

    Oh so you've watched a few episode's and assume that, thats just retardet. But thats why everyone reads the manga as well.


    It seems to me that if a show relies on its comic counterpart for plot development...it isn't much of a show.
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    avalame122 wrote:
    Plot and character development overrule everything else in a fictional work. You don't have them. You don't have a good story.

    I get the feeling you made your current account just for this occasion so you wouldn't have to risk your actual account getting banned, amirite?

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    avalame122 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'd also like to note that watching fights and actions sequences is actually entertaining in Avatar.

    There is no: "Wow I'm really hurt. Time to talk for an hour. My childhood sucks so bad."

    Exaggeration alert.

    Of course not for an hour. But for as long as the actual fight sequences with CONSTANT flashbacks about THE SAME THING? Bingo.

    I remember back at the start of the series there was the fight between Zaku and Shino. Zaku's flashback took up half the battle, and was elaborated upon over and over again. Boohoo, I'm evil and a pedo who takes kids to caves and physically experiments on them made me a badass.

    Noone cares. I wanted to see an actual fight, not a five minute long flashback sequence for a character who made three appearances on the show.

    The fight between Sakura and Chiyo vs Sasori had TWO different talking sections on and off constantly.

    There were long, drawn out parts where they conversed with one another, then there were flashbacks about Sasori.

    More than half of that 10+ minute fightscene was staring the other guy down.

    Absolutely freakin' retarded.

    Plot and character development overrule everything else in a fictional work. You don't have them. You don't have a good story.

    Does the development have to be recapped eight times during the fight and then another dozen by onlookers during the same fight?

    No, and it gets absolutely ridiculous when it comes to how much they elaborate on some of those sequences.

    When you are trying to kill someone, you don't think about your crappy childhood for half the battle. You think about killing the other guy so you can live.

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    I'm sorry, I know this is slightly off topic, but I'd like to know exactly how you can say Naruto is good at all, much less better than Avatar (I'll give you Death Note and Bleach). They just stand there, shouting out corny lines, shouting the names of their attacks, then throwing clones and needles at each other. Then you have ten filler episodes of Naruto being stupid and/or eating ramen.

    Zuko may be the most developed, but he's hardly the only one...

    You clearly:

    (A): Have only seen a few episodes.

    (B): Watch the english dub versions (Which are worse).

    (C): Don't read the manga.

    (D): Have only watched the recent filler arc episodes (Which are terrible, but aren't actually part of the story).

    (E): Haven't seen any of Naruto part II.

    The list goes on.


    What bothers me about this thread is that most of the people here arguing, don't actually watch both shows. So from this, all you get are biased opinions.

    I have seen every episode of Avatar and Naruto, and I read the Naruto manga. I watched avatar before ever even hearing about Naruto and grew to love the show. But as I was talking with my ten-year-old cousin, he brought up Naruto. He tried to explain it to me, but it really sounded confusing and terrible (he's ten, what do you expect), and I said it couldn't possibly be better than Avatar. But as boredom (from having to wait for new episodes of Avatar) seemed to take over, I noticed that my curiosity was taking the better of me as I saw the link to all the Naruto episodes. I thought, why not, I'll humor my little cousin. And after a few episodes of intently watching and analyzing Naruto, I became addicted.

    Now after watching and analyzing both shows, I clearly prefer Naruto. I just prefer the characters, the action, and the loose fitting plot-line. Naruto definitely has a lot of meaning and a strong plot, but the plot is way different than Avatar's. I feel that I personally like the loose fitting plot-line better because I'm a major fanfiction person (I read and write them), and always have been. I just think that a looser plot makes for more fanfiction opportunities and possibilities.

    Overall though, I guess it's what personally fits you. Naruto is a long commitment that requires little parients, while Avatar is a short commitment that requires a lot of patients.

    I suggest that the people on here however watch both shows equally, so that they can make fair and accurate judgment. Otherwise, you're only making yourself look ignorant.

    Edited on 06/20/2008 7:55pm
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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'd also like to note that watching fights and actions sequences is actually entertaining in Avatar.

    There is no: "Wow I'm really hurt. Time to talk for an hour. My childhood sucks so bad."

    Exaggeration alert.

    Of course not for an hour. But for as long as the actual fight sequences with CONSTANT flashbacks about THE SAME THING? Bingo.

    I remember back at the start of the series there was the fight between Zaku and Shino. Zaku's flashback took up half the battle, and was elaborated upon over and over again. Boohoo, I'm evil and a pedo who takes kids to caves and physically experiments on them made me a badass.

    Noone cares. I wanted to see an actual fight, not a five minute long flashback sequence for a character who made three appearances on the show.

    The fight between Sakura and Chiyo vs Sasori had TWO different talking sections on and off constantly.

    There were long, drawn out parts where they conversed with one another, then there were flashbacks about Sasori.

    More than half of that 10+ minute fightscene was staring the other guy down.

    Absolutely freakin' retarded.

    Plot and character development overrule everything else in a fictional work. You don't have them. You don't have a good story.

    So because our plot is in it's place and our fights are actually actiony, the story's not good?

    Naruto is like watching a turn-based battle system in real time.


    Meh.
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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'd also like to note that watching fights and actions sequences is actually entertaining in Avatar.

    There is no: "Wow I'm really hurt. Time to talk for an hour. My childhood sucks so bad."

    Exaggeration alert.

    Of course not for an hour. But for as long as the actual fight sequences with CONSTANT flashbacks about THE SAME THING? Bingo.

    I remember back at the start of the series there was the fight between Zaku and Shino. Zaku's flashback took up half the battle, and was elaborated upon over and over again. Boohoo, I'm evil and a pedo who takes kids to caves and physically experiments on them made me a badass.

    Noone cares. I wanted to see an actual fight, not a five minute long flashback sequence for a character who made three appearances on the show.

    The fight between Sakura and Chiyo vs Sasori had TWO different talking sections on and off constantly.

    There were long, drawn out parts where they conversed with one another, then there were flashbacks about Sasori.

    More than half of that 10+ minute fightscene was staring the other guy down.

    Absolutely freakin' retarded.

    Plot and character development overrule everything else in a fictional work. You don't have them. You don't have a good story.

    So because our plot is in it's place and our fights are actually actiony, the story's not good?

    Naruto is like watching a turn-based battle system in real time.

    Your fights are to the point and they don't get interrupted yes but all the fights seem the same and not much gets done in the fights. In Naruto fights usually at the end something big happened to furtur the plot.
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    Eddy654

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    You guys talk alot of crap about things you dont know about, I've seen every avatar episode up to the boiling rock yup it was suspenceful and good but I know that because I've watched it.
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    avalame122 wrote:
    SweetnesS_34 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    SweetnesS_34 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    SweetnesS_34 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    SweetnesS_34 wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Avatar has already ended anyway. They ended it with a 60 page childrens book.

    Don't confuse Nick's stupidity with the show.

    Then don't confuse fillers with the actual Naruto.

    Completely different. If Cartoon Network did some screwy censorship or poor marketing or did what they did with Avatar, I'd be like "Aww, sorry " We accept fillers are part of our show, why can't you accept yours?

    Fillers in Naruto don't count because they're not from the manga. If it's not from the manga, it doesn't count.

    This topic is about the shows if I remember correctly. Not the manga.

    There basicaly the same thing, are you mad because avatar doesnt have one.

    They're not the same thing, you just said the anime has 160 episodes of filler And in fact I'm EXTREMELY EXTREMELY happy Avatar doesn't have a manga, because this way WE don't have to sit through filler.

    85 episode's and that was to get ready for Naruto shippuden. Avatar does have fillers it doesnt have as much becuase it had no time to waste because it's such as short show.


    So you admit Naruto wastes time.
    No it doesn't, DBZ wastes time.
    DBZ is allot more interesting then both Naruto and Avatar, so whatchu talkin bout?

    You wish. DBZ is a has-been. Besides, Naruto is, in a way, based loosely off of DBZ itself.
    Loosely? DBZ alone is the only reason why crappy animes like Naruto are made, not to say DBZ is crappy though, just all these cliche Shounen that they keep coming out with

    You don't know what you're talking about.

    DBZ had no real story. Just a bunch of people threatening to blow up the earth.
    Okay, and Naruto has a bunch of 12 year old ninjas, dressed in bright colors, preaching about the Will of Fire fighting with gardening knives? Come on, Naruto sucks. Fake kid ninjas, fighting crappy liche villains in a Candyland type of world

    Congratulations, Im an S-class retard.

    You better go to Iraq or Burma and witness what you refer to as Candyland.


    OMG...you did not just compare a cartoon with the real life sh*t storm that is Iraq.
    He called himself a S-class retard There's nothing more you can do, other then acknowledge it
    Im estupid
    Fixed.

    Also you're the moron, they are 12.
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    -TheSecondSign-

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    I've watched a ton of Naruto. I love Naruto, but I have the opinion that it is inferior to Avatar.
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    Eman5805 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'd also like to note that watching fights and actions sequences is actually entertaining in Avatar.

    There is no: "Wow I'm really hurt. Time to talk for an hour. My childhood sucks so bad."

    Second best post in this topic, next to Eman's.


    That post is purely exaggeration.


    Not entirely. Every single piece of canon background is givin in the middle of a fight. Sometimes in the middle of the character about to be attacked by the other guy's best shot.

    Gaara comes to mind, except he was the one attacking mostly. Definetly Rock Lee. "I never was good at ninjutsus, so I worked hard at taijutsu." Childhood sucks, but it can make you a stronger person sometimes.

    Great message and all, but yeah, it gets redone a couple dozen times in Naruto. Not knocking it, but don't deny it either. The only characters who seem to have had normal childhoods are Shino and Tenten. And that's only because they haven't poured their soul while pouring out blood, yet.
    but Ten Ten is not important
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