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| isabelwhatx wrote: | ||||||||
HA! Joke. Azula ALWAYS defeats Zuko. ALWAYS. I cannot recall one time in the series where Zuko defeated Azula outright. And do not say the finale, because Azula won that Agni Kai. Azula will always be two steps ahead of Zuko, insane or not. So deal with it |
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Azula prevailed much more than she failed. That can't be said for Zuko, however. |
| isabelwhatx wrote: |
| Ah, but the attack never hit Katara. Azula took a chance. She knew that either Katara would've gotten hit and she would've lost, or Zuko would've been mighty and noble and taken the hit, rendering Azula victorious. All because Azula lost once doesn't mean her other victories should be ignored. Azula had a major disadvantage in the finale; she went insane. Other than that, Azula has proven to be a kick-ass character the entire series. |
| microwave234 wrote: |
| The attack never hit Katara because Zuko stopped it so your point is moot. And no by attacking some1 else besides Zuko she violated their agreement they had at the beginning of their fight thus making her the lose by default. She was a failure as a ruler. I mean seriously she was banishing people for the dumbest things. All her so called victories have led her nowhere in life. Yes Zuko may have lost plenty of fights in the past but he is further ahead in life than Azula is currently. |
| isabelwhatx wrote: |
| You're missing my point. The fact that Zuko took the attack proves that Katara was not part of the fight, therefore proving that Azula never broke the rules. SHE TOOK A CHANCE. She wasn't the Fire Lord, in the first place. She was supposed to be crowned Fire Lord and then Zuko butted in. My God, the girl went insane. Of course she was banishing people for the dumbest things. Her so called victories were AMAZING. She conquered Ba Sing Sei! All because it got reconquered later doesn't mean her accomplishments are dirt. Azula did amazing things for such a young person. Zuko did nothing but create trouble. Zuko lucked into power, Azula earned it. |
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| microwave234 wrote: |
| No your not getting the point. She assaulted a bystander. When Zuko said one on one it was implied that all attacks would be launched at each other and not spectators. Azula broke the rules thus she lost. She conquored Ba Sing Sei and then another person reconquered it... So what? Azula earned it? She just proved that she was incapable of being a ruler. |
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Azula used her surroundings to her advantage. She found Zuko's weakness and attacked it. If Katara got hurt, I would agree with you. However, Azula was depending on Zuko's self sacrifice. Since Katara wasn't touched, Azula did not break the rules. Azula was not the ruler of Ba Sing Sei, Ozai was. Azula only did what she was supposed to, and that was to capture it. In no way was she responsible to what happened afterwards. What has Zuko done? Betrayed his family? Betrayed the Avatar? Hurt people everywhere he went? Betrayed his uncle? He's a disgrace. He's a deadweight. |
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Azula used her surroundings to her advantage. She found Zuko's weakness and attacked it. If Katara got hurt, I would agree with you. However, Azula was depending on Zuko's self sacrifice. Since Katara wasn't touched, Azula did not break the rules. Azula was not the ruler of Ba Sing Sei, Ozai was. Azula only did what she was supposed to, and that was to capture it. In no way was she responsible to what happened afterwards. What has Zuko done? Betrayed his family? Betrayed the Avatar? Hurt people everywhere he went? Betrayed his uncle? He's a disgrace. He's a deadweight. |
| microwave234 wrote: |
| That "victory" has no meaning. It is no different than using a hostage to win a battle. When Zuko said one on one i'm pretty sure he meant no1 else should get involved and that it should be strictly between him and Azula. Zuko is a round character. His entire character changed throughout the story. Azula is a flat character. She stays pretty much the same throughout the story which is why she failed at the end so hard. |
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That victory shows that Azula is a great fighter who uses her surroundings. Katara was not involved in the fight. She COULD'VE been, but she wasn't. Azula did not stay the same throughout the series. The second half of the third season proves that. Azula had a MAJOR change, probably the biggest in the series. And her "fail" at the end was not because of her "lack of change", it was because she was betrayed. |
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Apparently it is, since it made him lose the battle. |
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Let's take a quick review of Azula's accomplishments/attributes:
- Conquered Ba Sing Se singlehandedly, and in a very stylish manner.
- (related to previous) impressed the Dai Lee so much that they decided to betray their nation, the man they were fanatically loyal to, etc and so forth, all to support one teenage girl who looked to have zero chance of succeeding, but who carried it off through sheer nerve.
- (as further demonstration of her "people person" skills) somehow talked Zuko into siding with her in Ba Sing Se. Seriously. Talking the Dai Lee around was one thing, but convincing Zuko was just something else.
- Uncovered information about the DOBS invasion, and was the mastermind behind the plan to squash it.
- She lied to Toph, and got away with it.
- Over the course of the series she came within a hairsbreadth of killing virtually every single major character.
- She did manage to kill Aang (while he was in the Avatar State, too, no less), and came very close to finishing off Iroh (and it wasn't even really a foul blow - the guy was facing her, and looked ready to deal with her, but she still caught him out), both of whom were far more powerful than her.
- During the finale underwent the biggest piece of character developement in the shortest time of any character in the show.
- Did I mention she is hot to the 14,000th degree?
- Note that she is the closest anyone in Avatar comes to being a Homo Universalis - the term applied to those whose skills come in a wide variety. As well as being a great bender, she is also great at hand-to-hand combat, general acrobatics and gymnastics, implied skill with small weapons, a gifted strategist and planner, a brilliant orator, master manipulator, brilliant analyist of her surroundings, a subtle politician, a brilliant liar, etc, etc - the list goes on.
- As far as we know she is the only firebender ever to bend blue fire - as far as we know she invented the technique.
- Generally insinuated to be among the ranks of the "mad geniuses" of Avatar.
- Have I left anything out? Fellow Azula fans, feel free to add to my list.
When Zuko, Katara, or whoever, can come up with a list of accomplishments and skills to rival this, then they (and their fans) can talk. As it is, pretty much the only person in the show who rivals/tops Azula's list of accomplishments is Aang (my second favorite character). He is more powerful than Azula (though she stilled managed to kill him), but his skills are not as diversified.
Azula pwns all.
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| Axrendale wrote: |
Let's take a quick review of Azula's accomplishments/attributes: - Conquered Ba Sing Se singlehandedly, and in a very stylish manner. - (related to previous) impressed the Dai Lee so much that they decided to betray their nation, the man they were fanatically loyal to, etc and so forth, all to support one teenage girl who looked to have zero chance of succeeding, but who carried it off through sheer nerve. - (as further demonstration of her "people person" skills) somehow talked Zuko into siding with her in Ba Sing Se. Seriously. Talking the Dai Lee around was one thing, but convincing Zuko was just something else. - Uncovered information about the DOBS invasion, and was the mastermind behind the plan to squash it. - She lied to Toph, and got away with it. - Over the course of the series she came within a hairsbreadth of killing virtually every single major character. - She did manage to kill Aang (while he was in the Avatar State, too, no less), and came very close to finishing off Iroh (and it wasn't even really a foul blow - the guy was facing her, and looked ready to deal with her, but she still caught him out), both of whom were far more powerful than her. - During the finale underwent the biggest piece of character developement in the shortest time of any character in the show. - Did I mention she is hot to the 14,000th degree? - Note that she is the closest anyone in Avatar comes to being a Homo Universalis - the term applied to those whose skills come in a wide variety. As well as being a great bender, she is also great at hand-to-hand combat, general acrobatics and gymnastics, implied skill with small weapons, a gifted strategist and planner, a brilliant orator, master manipulator, brilliant analyist of her surroundings, a subtle politician, a brilliant liar, etc, etc - the list goes on. - As far as we know she is the only firebender ever to bend blue fire - as far as we know she invented the technique. - Generally insinuated to be among the ranks of the "mad geniuses" of Avatar. - Have I left anything out? Fellow Azula fans, feel free to add to my list. When Zuko, Katara, or whoever, can come up with a list of accomplishments and skills to rival this, then they (and their fans) can talk. As it is, pretty much the only person in the show who rivals/tops Azula's list of accomplishments is Aang (my second favorite character Azula pwns all. |
| isabelwhatx wrote: |
In Azula's case, absolutely. That's her fighting **** She has no sense of regret, and therefore something like that is perfect for her. |
