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UPDATE 9/18/06: Dark Avatar Theory v6.3

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    Gantros

    [1]Jul 19, 2006
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    I've decided to focus on trying to explain the Dark Avatar's origins (there are a few versions), shadow and lightbending, and a few odds and ends.

    I.) The Dark Avatar's Origin

    A.) Origin 1: Evil Twin Scenario

    While cliche, the 'evil twin' scenario has its merits. The basic concept is that the Avatar Spirit was intended to be the perfect personification of the world. But humans are far from perfect, and as such the human spirit introduced the concept of good and evil to the world. The Spirit of the World (For the sake of naming the mother of the??Avatar Spirit, let's call it Gaia), in order to maintain it's original vision, seperated the good and evil aspects of into a pair of identical twins, each having a seed of the other's essence to maintain the balance, Yin (Evil/Dark), and Yang (Good/Light). As these two grew, Yin became ostracized from the human commnuity because he was more prone to 'evil actions' than his brother, Yang, was. As such he fully embraced his dark side and became the Dark Avatar, dedicated to destryoing the world that rejected to him. This hatred was passed down to his descendants and incarnations,?? marking early history with periods of destruction, chaos, and despair.

    B.) Origin 2: The Fallen Avatar Scenario

    Somewhat more likely, but more like a rip off of Star Wars, this scenario involves an incarnation that fell from his/her duties and abused his/her power to the point that faith in the Avatar was nearly destroyed. In order to save their representative, this incarnation was forcibly removed from the Avatar line, seperated from it's past and future lives to prevent corruption.

    C.) Origin 3: The 'Darkness Within ' Scenario

    We have seen this in the canon series when Aang demanded to know where Appa was taken in "The Desert". The distortion of the voice overlay had a very dark overtone to it. This scenario seems to be the most likely in part where Aang has an internal battle with a Dark Avatar.

    II.) Shadowbending and Lightbending

    In order for the series to remain fresh, you need to have new?? material to work with. After season three, the only thing left for the Avatar to do is to help rebuild the nations. Naturally, you need escalation in order to keep a series going, and in order to have an effective escalation, you need someone who can provide a significant challenge to your main protagonist. If you have a protaganist who is supposedly the only person who can manipulate all four elements, how do you challenge that? You either have someone who can also manipulate all four elements at equal or greater skill, or you have a new power that cannot be immediately handled. Therefore, I created shadow and lightbending, which are in fact the same element, aether, just of different types of Chi, positive, and negative.

    In order to up the ante, so to speak, the Dark Avatar would have to have a unique form of bending to set??itself above other benders and Aang himself initially, hence Shadowbending. I believe the real world martial art this could be based on is Tien Shan Pai, the description of which can be found at this link on wikipedia.org.

    As for Aang, he should learn the??opposite form of bending which does not outclass Shadowbending, but merely cancels it out, Lightbending. Lightbending could be based on the real world martial art of WingTsun, the description of which can be found at this link, from wikipedia.org

    What makes these possible is that I believe the Yin and Yang of??negative and postive Chi is the true source of the bending disciplines, the crossroads, if you will. By standing in this crossroad, Aang can manipulate the 4 elements. Why can't somone manipulate the source itself, what would that look like? I figure it could like this, note that the yin yang symbol move in the same clockwise direction as the Avatar cycle:

    III.) Who should be the Dark Avatar?

    A.) Princess Azula

    I feel Azula would make the best candidate because her perfectionist nature would allow her to learn the four elements (Air, Water, Earth, and Shadow) very rapidly, perhaps even faster than Aang did. This reduces the time gap between seasons 3 and 4 and allows for the nations to become complacent and ripe for a new conflict.

    B.) 'Dark' Aang

    A Dark Aang would make for an interesting internal battle, but wouldn't have much dramatic impact on the world for a whole story arc.This also smacks of Anakin/Vader.

    C.) Unknown Character

    Perhaps the Dark Avatar is already here, hiding behind the scenes, his/her fingers moving the pieces into position for 100 years.

    Edited on 09/18/2006 2:08pm
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    the_jaguarundi

    [2]Jul 19, 2006
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    I'm not trying to be crass, but more out of curiosity . . . what is the
    purpose of this? I'm unclear on what you mean by "theory." Is what
    you're writing out in such detail . . .

    1. Pure fanfiction? (I assume you don't mean that).
    2.
    What you think the show is actually pointing to, and therefore what the
    creators are hoping to do if the show is renewed for a fourth season?
    3. What you hope the show will end up doing? (i.e. fanfiction but something you hope to see the show do, at least in broad strokes)

    .
    . . If I had to guess, it'd be a mixture of #2 and #3. But I'm hoping
    you'll say #3, because I don't buy it. Though I do agree that there's
    likely more to Sozin's comet than we've been told yet.

    Man. That sounded much more confrontative than I wanted it to be. Oh well . . . I think you know the spirit of what I'm asking.

    Edited on 07/19/2006 8:30pm
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    FireandIce1400

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    You sure put a lot of thought in this theory, you should really make a fanfic.
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    legersem

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    OK, you said some things about how Katara and gang will be useful after the DA takes over Azula, but after they try to unite the nations, what then? Like I said in the previous topic:

    If you think about it, when the Dark Avatar possesses Azula and shadowbending becomes her dominant ability, Katara, Sokka, and Toph will become obsolete. As they only??know one form of bending (and for Sokka,??only physical attacks) and even Aang, with all four forms of bending, needs to learn another form of bending (light) then they can't really do anything to help him anymore. There also seems to be a theme in the group, if you think about it: Aang knows airbending, Katara knows waterbending, Toph knows earthbending, and Sokka is the physical attacker. Who, if anyone, do you think will be the group's firebender? Zuko?

    Also, Iroh's journey into the Spirit World could have given him the knowledge of lightbending and even the knowledge of the Dark Avatar. Obviously, he now has a deep appreciation for the spirits and may end up traveling with Aang to the Spirit World the teach him lightbending. Possibly, lightbending can only be used by the Avatar in the real world, but in the Spirit World, anyone who knows how can use it. And since Iroh is the only other person??(that we know of) that has ever been to the Spirit World...

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    DeathandDoom

    [5]Jul 20, 2006
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    Nice update on the idea, but here's a few suggestions:

    It has already been confirmed that the Avatar is the spirit of the planet itself, so maybe instead of being created to govern the balance, maybe the spirit of the planet itself decided to become part of the mortal world, but it was forced to divide itslef in two - a yin and a yang - for reasons that you already described.

    And this is just a suggestion, but how about this; both siblings loved each other dearly, but the yang side was, as time passed, corrupted by the near absolute power that she possessed. I kinda envision the Dark Avatar of that time as a child; unable to understand the difference of good and evil; not realizing the distinction between them.

    Eventually, the very first Avatar was forced to imprison his own sister - and thus the Dark Avatar became embittered to the world by the brother that she felt betrayed her, as she was too innocent to realize that she had been doing more harm than good. If you have ever seen Trigun, I picture the relationship between the Avatar and the DA the same as the relationship between Vash and Knives - the whole "I love you as a brother but I despise you for your actions" thing.

    Oh, and one more thing about opposites, how's this - while the Avatar channels other spirits into itself, the Dark Avatar channels itself into other spirits, which is why people touched by the DA can know shadowbending , but only the Avatar can learn lightbending.

    Oh, and I thought that the original DA should be a girl because she's Yang, and Yang is typically feminine.

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    Ergy123

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    REally REally interested theory to consider, i wouldn't mind seeing that applied to the show and maybe the creators ending the show with that theory, it beats avatar going up against firelord and beating him and the comet just passing being there by coincidence
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    Gantros

    [7]Jul 20, 2006
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    legersem wrote:

    OK, you said some things about how Katara and gang will be useful after the DA takes over Azula, but after they try to unite the nations, what then? Like I said in the previous topic:

    If you think about it, when the Dark Avatar possesses Azula and shadowbending becomes her dominant ability, Katara, Sokka, and Toph will become obsolete. As they only??know one form of bending (and for Sokka,??only physical attacks) and even Aang, with all four forms of bending, needs to learn another form of bending (light) then they can't really do anything to help him anymore. There also seems to be a theme in the group, if you think about it: Aang knows airbending, Katara knows waterbending, Toph knows earthbending, and Sokka is the physical attacker. Who, if anyone, do you think will be the group's firebender? Zuko?

    Also, Iroh's journey into the Spirit World could have given him the knowledge of lightbending and even the knowledge of the Dark Avatar. Obviously, he now has a deep appreciation for the spirits and may end up traveling with Aang to the Spirit World the teach him lightbending. Possibly, lightbending can only be used by the Avatar in the real world, but in the Spirit World, anyone who knows how can use it. And since Iroh is the only other person??(that we know of) that has ever been to the Spirit World...



    Katara and company would aid Aang as he traveled from site to site in the mortal world, protecting his helpless body as he searched Spirit World for the ethereal text fragments that would enable him to learn lightbending. After that is done, Katara, Sokka, Zuko, and perhaps Toph (since her future is in question currently) would have to find a way to hold the line against the shadowbenders, developing new forms of bending drawn from all the nations, like the lightning redirect technique Iroh developed.
    There is also the political aspect. After the war with Ozai, a lot of the surviving nations are not interested in working together against this new threat, especially if the Fire Nation is the first to come under attack, thinking that they deserved it. Katara and company have to unite the Nations to stand against the shadowbenders until Aang completes his training in Spirit World. So while they are not aiding or teaching Aang, their experience from the first three seasons gives them important roles as leaders of their peoples, and the realization that they need to unite and learn from each other in order to survive.
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    qweasdzse

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    Well what if Aang would use shadowbending. Is shadowbending only used for evil and light bending is only for good.
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    DeathandDoom

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    qweasdzse wrote:
    Well what if Aang would use shadowbending. Is shadowbending only used for evil and light bending is only for good.


    I think that it's more of the whole Yin-Yang thing - the DA, which is Yang, uses shadowbending, while the Avatar, which is Yin, uses lightbending. The different bending arts aren't inherintly bad - it's just how they are used.
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    JasonG2006

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    Shadowbending words as a advantageous component form to Yin-Yang, if the term is used loosely.

    Gantros, you said in??your theory that Sozin's Comet returned for the first time to the inner solar system in thousands of year, could be what you said is false because Sozin used the comet to begin the war 100 years ago, did the comet come close to Earth?

    Edited on 07/20/2006 12:58pm
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    cjclifford

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    JasonG2006 wrote:
    Gantros, you said in your theory that Sozin's Comet returned for the first time to the inner solar system in thousands of year, could be what you said is false because Sozin used the comet to begin the war 100 years ago, did the comet come close to Earth?

    If I understand the "theory" correctly, the comet is the prison of the Dark Avatar spirit. The spirit eventually willed the comet back toward earth's direction. After which, the comet became caught in the solar system's gravity. So, while it took the comet thousands of years to get back to earth, now it will reappear every hundred years.


    Gantros wrote:

    82 B.A.: General Iroh begins his siege of Ba Sing Se, Ozai plans to position himself as next in line for the throne.


    80
    B.A.: Iroh's son Lu Ten is killed. Ozai makes a play for the throne,
    but is shot down by Firelord Azulon. Azula murders Azulon in his sleep,
    enabling Ozai to make a "legitimate" claim for the throne. Zuko's
    mother Ursa disappears. Ozai is crowned Firelord. During this time,
    Iroh joins the Order of the White Lotus while seeking a way to contact
    his son in Spirit World, becoming aware of the danger the Comet
    represents. He becomes a Grand Master by passing through to Spirit
    World, coming back with the ability to see Spirits and those touched by
    them.




    I see a slight problem with your timeline. Iroh's siege on Ba Sing Se
    should take place much closer to Aang's awakening. With your timeline, Zuko
    would be 90 years old by time Aang got out of the iceberg. I would think the siege began at 6 B.A. and Luten's death at 4 B.A.

    And I don't think Iroh joined the White Lotus Society because of Luten's death. I think he was probably a member long before his siege on Ba Sing Se. But I agree that the Society probably helped him gain entrance into the Spirit World in his search for Luten.

    Cool ideas all around. This would make an interesting second or continued Avatar series. My only gripe, it should take place at least five years after Aang defeats the Fire Lord. I already think the series creators are rushing Aang as it is. Give him some down time before throwing a bunch of nasty Shadow Benders in his face.
    Edited on 07/20/2006 2:44pm
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    Hvulpes

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    I still say that the idea about Shadow/Light bending as seperate forms of bending doesn't ring true for me. I can see that Lightbending could be the result of combining ideas of Airbending with Firebending. With light altering the shadows of the world. Light is one of the products of fire and lightning along with heat.

    ??The idea that??only a??Dark Avatar??could challenge Aang is inherently flawed. There could be hundreds of different options that could arise to challenge Aang. Dark Spirits for example. Asian mythology is covered in them ranging from the holy to the unholy. If we continue with the prison comet theory, the comet could hold a powerful dark spirit that could bring chaos to the world.

    ??Vampiric creatures??are another possiblity. All cultures, including Asian ones, have tales of bloodsuckers who hold many powers. The comet could act as a key or prophecy to unlease a vampire. Perhaps one that gains the power to bend elements based on the blood it drinks. (Suck a Firebender, gain Firebending.) Plus other possible powers like shapeshifting and mind control and you have a threat.

    ??Anti-Avatar secret societies could be a threat. Men and women that have been training to kill the Avatar could bring up conflict for a future show. Especially if it goes deeper into the history of the Avatar.

    ??Plus we have seen that the Fire Nation was not the only nation to cause troubles. In Kyoshi's time, the Earth Nation faced a conquor that threatened the peace. Add to that those that would be upset at the new order that most like will follow 100 years war...

    ??As I said, I am not in favour of Shadow and Light bending being indepedant bending forms and that the Avatar can be challenged by other things. Just my thoughts.

    PS: One other thing, all of the Non-cardinal elementalbending (Air, Water, Earth, Fire) have been in fact varients on the normal bending styles. (Lightning, Plant, Sand, etc) Which makes me believe more so that any Shadow or Light Bending will be a varient of the four major schools of bending.

    Edited on 07/20/2006 3:30pm
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    Gantros

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    cjclifford wrote:

    JasonG2006 wrote:
    Gantros, you said in your theory that Sozin's Comet returned for the first time to the inner solar system in thousands of year, could be what you said is false because Sozin used the comet to begin the war 100 years ago, did the comet come close to Earth?

    If I understand the "theory" correctly, the comet is the prison of the Dark Avatar spirit. The spirit eventually willed the comet back toward earth's direction. After which, the comet became caught in the solar system's gravity. So, while it took the comet thousands of years to get back to earth, now it will reappear every hundred years.


    Gantros wrote:

    82 B.A.: General Iroh begins his siege of Ba Sing Se, Ozai plans to position himself as next in line for the throne.


    80
    B.A.: Iroh's son Lu Ten is killed. Ozai makes a play for the throne,
    but is shot down by Firelord Azulon. Azula murders Azulon in his sleep,
    enabling Ozai to make a "legitimate" claim for the throne. Zuko's
    mother Ursa disappears. Ozai is crowned Firelord. During this time,
    Iroh joins the Order of the White Lotus while seeking a way to contact
    his son in Spirit World, becoming aware of the danger the Comet
    represents. He becomes a Grand Master by passing through to Spirit
    World, coming back with the ability to see Spirits and those touched by
    them.




    I see a slight problem with your timeline. Iroh's siege on Ba Sing Se
    should take place much closer to Aang's awakening. With your timeline, Zuko
    would be 90 years old by time Aang got out of the iceberg. I would think the siege began at 6 B.A. and Luten's death at 4 B.A.

    And I don't think Iroh joined the White Lotus Society because of Luten's death. I think he was probably a member long before his siege on Ba Sing Se. But I agree that the Society probably helped him gain entrance into the Spirit World in his search for Luten.

    Cool ideas all around. This would make an interesting second or continued Avatar series. My only gripe, it should take place at least five years after Aang defeats the Fire Lord. I already think the series creators are rushing Aang as it is. Give him some down time before throwing a bunch of nasty Shadow Benders in his face.

    First, when the Comet was cast out, it's path was curved as gravity tugged at it. The need for positve and negative energy to come crashing together ("Bitter Work") to restore balance helped draw the comet back, but gravity forced it to spiral toward the earth, only recently had it become close enough to be tapped, and Sozin was the first to do it. The cycles had become roughly 100 year cycles at that point.

    Second, good call on the error, I think I was thinking Zuko was 8 at the time of "Zuko Alone" and it was confirmed that on "Avatar State" it was the three year anniversary of his banishment. I got my numbers mixed up.

    Third, the Order of the White Lotus strikes me as a fairly autonomous party, seeking to protect the world against greater threats other factions are unaware of. Prior to Lu Ten's apparent death, Iroh seemed like any other Fire Nation General, albeit wiser and more open minded than most. After his son's death, I think went on a personal journey of finding himself much like other tragic heroes have, and found that there was someone else pulling the Fire Nation's strings, but when he realized it, he was in no position to do anything about it, so he decided to instill his new beliefs into Zuko, who at the time of "The Storm" flashbacks was open minded and had a strong sense of honorable conduct.

    Finally, the reason for the five year training period is to give Aang the chance to grow into the responsibilities he's been handed and struggling with. In terms of writing for "Teen Aang", viewers could identify with the somewhat exagerrated awkwardness. In the first story arc, Aang was trying to act grown up when he was a kid physically. By having him reenter a teen body while having been training in Spirit World for 5 years or so, he now is a kid in a matured body, and now has to deal with it. The alterior motive for this is to account for the inevitable deepening of the voice of the voice actor.
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    Gantros

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    Hvulpes wrote:

    I still say that the idea about Shadow/Light bending as seperate forms of bending doesn't ring true for me. I can see that Lightbending could be the result of combining ideas of Airbending with Firebending. With light altering the shadows of the world. Light is one of the products of fire and lightning along with heat.

    ??The idea that??only a??Dark Avatar??could challenge Aang is inherently flawed. There could be hundreds of different options that could arise to challenge Aang. Dark Spirits for example. Asian mythology is covered in them ranging from the holy to the unholy. If we continue with the prison comet theory, the comet could hold a powerful dark spirit that could bring chaos to the world.

    ??Vampiric creatures??are another possiblity. All cultures, including Asian ones, have tales of bloodsuckers who hold many powers. The comet could act as a key or prophecy to unlease a vampire. Perhaps one that gains the power to bend elements based on the blood it drinks. (Suck a Firebender, gain Firebending.) Plus other possible powers like shapeshifting and mind control and you have a threat.

    ??Anti-Avatar secret societies could be a threat. Men and women that have been training to kill the Avatar could bring up conflict for a future show. Especially if it goes deeper into the history of the Avatar.

    ??Plus we have seen that the Fire Nation was not the only nation to cause troubles. In Kyoshi's time, the Earth Nation faced a conquor that threatened the peace. Add to that those that would be upset at the new order that most like will follow 100 years war...

    ??As I said, I am not in favour of Shadow and Light bending being indepedant bending forms and that the Avatar can be challenged by other things. Just my thoughts.

    PS: One other thing, all of the Non-cardinal elementalbending (Air, Water, Earth, Fire) have been in fact varients on the normal bending styles. (Lightning, Plant, Sand, etc) Which makes me believe more so that any Shadow or Light Bending will be a varient of the four major schools of bending.



    They are not independent, they are the same element, just one is Positve Chi, the other is Negative Chi. In classical element types, the 5th element is "Aether". As to what that is exactly, I don't know. Also, Yin is the black part of the symbol and Yang is the white according to wikipedia.
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    Hvulpes

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    ??Except that Yin and Yang are used in the four bending like the lightning bending (refer:Bitter Work). I am not saying that there can not be a Dark Avatar. It might be possible. The things is that from the evidence in the show all bending is boiled down to the four elements. Lightning is liked with fire, Plants are controled by water in their bodies, sand is controled by Earthbending. Heck, Cloudbending is possible with the combination of water and airbending.

    ??That is way I don't believe in the "Light"/"Shadow" bending as you suggested. I can see a possible Dark Avatar. I had ideas like that. One is a Dark Spirit overhears Azula's call for power (if she survives), asking for the powers of the Avatar. This spirit gives her the knowledge to bind the??element to her body by force, going through the Avatar cycle in reverse (Fire, Earth, Water, Air), counter to the natural order. Whither it is binding elemental spirits or the bending powers of other, I don't know.

    ??Bascially, to me I see no 'new' bending styles coming up. I also see that the comet holds more than we know. But if that is a dark Avatar or something more powerful than the Avatar...

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    Gantros

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    Hvulpes wrote:

    ??Except that Yin and Yang are used in the four bending like the lightning bending (refer:Bitter Work). I am not saying that there can not be a Dark Avatar. It might be possible. The things is that from the evidence in the show all bending is boiled down to the four elements. Lightning is liked with fire, Plants are controled by water in their bodies, sand is controled by Earthbending. Heck, Cloudbending is possible with the combination of water and airbending.

    ??That is way I don't believe in the "Light"/"Shadow" bending as you suggested. I can see a possible Dark Avatar. I had ideas like that. One is a Dark Spirit overhears Azula's call for power (if she survives), asking for the powers of the Avatar. This spirit gives her the knowledge to bind the??element to her body by force, going through the Avatar cycle in reverse (Fire, Earth, Water, Air), counter to the natural order. Whither it is binding elemental spirits or the bending powers of other, I don't know.

    ??Bascially, to me I see no 'new' bending styles coming up. I also see that the comet holds more than we know. But if that is a dark Avatar or something more powerful than the Avatar...


    I admit you make good points. But, I feel that there should be some kind of bending that should be a threat to all other forms. The reason I decided to promote the idea of shadowbending is because there is something primal about it. Man is naturally afraid of the dark and a lot of mythology is based around the battle between the metaphorical forces light and darkness.
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    Hvulpes

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    ??Well, if you want to continue with the idea...

    ??The best that comes up is the idea of Marvel's Darkforce. In my Marvel Superheroes RPG Shadow Control power is different from Darkforce. Shadow control is a power over natural shadows using them to create darkness and shade as such. Darkforce is an extradimensional force that has a semi-sentiant nature that seems to have a hint of savageness or evil connected with it. But it also creates darkness and??shade, but also creates shapes of energy and teleportation plus flight powers.

    ??It could be possible that the Dark Avatar has harnessed the power of darkside of the Spirit Realm. A dark reflection of the bridge that the Regular Avatar is. This power increase the power of Bending, but has the effect of corrupting the soul of the use and tainting the element that is used is some way (for example Fire/Lightning bent in this was turns black, Water turns slimy and/or poisonous, Air turns Toxic, Etc). Plus the??fact that the Dark Avatar can easily give people the knowledge of the method of this bending style. Perhaps even??developing a method to??grant bending to non-benders.??Let's call it Darkbending as it brings out the darkside in people and is linked with the Dark Spirits of the Avatar world.

    ??::Note:: No Shadowbending is used, but the idea of a warped Bending style is still used.

    ??The Corrupted Bending can only be healed by special knowledge or links to the spirit realm that is not channeled by the Dark Spirits of the Spirit Realms. Elements bent by the Avatar or those who have crossed over to the Spirit Realms have the effect of neutralizing the corrupted element, but if not trained the results are explosive. The ability to use the Good Spirits to enhance bending is hard to learn and harder to master. Let's call it Spiritbending.

    ??Now this has a bonus effect of if a DA Arc is used for the next three season, if the creators want to continue with a seven or more season with Aang, the can use the Dark Spirits that granted the power to the Dark Avatar. Link back?? to his creation (perhaps both good and evil spirits were used to bind the spirit of the world to the Avatar and the evil spirits some how created a dark echo), the corruption of the Avatar Twin (offer of more power) or anything else.

    ??In this ideology Spirit bending would be represented by the Yin-yang sign as a path of harmony with the world. The Dark Bending symbol would be a similiar symbol but with a pure??Black Yin and a pure White Yang or a symbol with two pure white Yang (or two pure black Yin)??circling each other. This would represent the disharmony of Yin and Yang (Unbalanced Yin and Yang) that the bending would represent.

    ??Just my opinion.

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    hego007

    [18]Jul 21, 2006
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    Didn't read the whole thread, so if this is answered forgive me. Does this in anyway relate to what will happen, or what has happened in the minds of the creators of the show, like is this a branch of the story in a book or something?

    I like the idea of a Dark Avatar though, maybe only having one so far, imprisioned in the commet that gives it immortality. It is freed and the Avatar's come together(all of them, in the spirit world, they are all there) and beat it, and as punishment, don't allow it to be reborn until x- some years, and when it is, it is born amnesiac, in the present, or a few years ago, and is able to slightly bend at 16, thinks it is the good avatar(The cycle would be broken due to the lack of airbenders) and contacts Aang, or the Last Firebender Avatar(not Roku), for teaching, they lie because they feel the world needs an avatar, and teach it the arts, it could be a whole new show, about the child's want to be good but its tie to evil, with journies into the Dark Avatar State(basically the Avatar state but instead it glows gray or black), and it, while in the state, does great harm to the person who the anger is focused at, journeys into a parallel world where evil is good and good is evil( the fire nation would have been defending themselves, and the other nations would have attacked them, etc.) The two align into one to create an all-powerful all-evil Dark Avatar, who is directly parallel to Avatar, who was re-born in the alternate reality in present times and alligns with this world's Avatar.)
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    cjclifford

    [19]Jul 21, 2006
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    Gantros wrote:
    Finally, the reason for the five year training period is to give Aang the chance to grow into the responsibilities he's been handed and struggling with. In terms of writing for "Teen Aang", viewers could identify with the somewhat exagerrated awkwardness. In the first story arc, Aang was trying to act grown up when he was a kid physically. By having him reenter a teen body while having been training in Spirit World for 5 years or so, he now is a kid in a matured body, and now has to deal with it. The alterior motive for this is to account for the inevitable deepening of the voice of the voice actor.

    I think you misunderstood me.?? I wasn't saying anything about the Spirit World training.?? I was saying that this Dark Avatar story should take place five years after Aang defeats the Fire Lord.?? My biggest problem with the series is that Aang, because of the whole comet thing, is super rushed to learn the elements and end the war.?? It's crazy.?? And then your Dark Avatar story has him fighting shadow benders and searching for pieces of a scroll almost immediately after that.?? Yikes.?? Poor Aang needs a rest after all that.??
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    legersem

    [20]Jul 21, 2006
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    I agree that it could take place after about 5 years because this would give the four Nations time to heal from the Fire Nation's attack and also time for Azula to perfect her shadowbending. It seems to me that it should at least take some time for her to learn how to shadowbend, seeing as how long it's going to take Aang to learn lightbending.

    I also am confused as to how there will be light- and shadowbending. Is Aang going to shoot arcs of light out of his hands? And what is Azula going to use? Her own shadow, or is it going to be like shooting shadows out of her hands?

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