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UPDATE 9/18/06: Dark Avatar Theory v6.3

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    Gantros

    [21]Jul 21, 2006
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    legersem wrote:

    I agree that it could take place after about 5 years because this would give the four Nations time to heal from the Fire Nation's attack and also time for Azula to perfect her shadowbending. It seems to me that it should at least take some time for her to learn how to shadowbend, seeing as how long it's going to take Aang to learn lightbending.

    I also am confused as to how there will be light- and shadowbending. Is Aang going to shoot arcs of light out of his hands? And what is Azula going to use? Her own shadow, or is it going to be like shooting shadows out of her hands?

    I disagree, because by giving time for that cliche reset, you miss out on a lot of relevant issues, such as how it is difficult for hostile factions to get into the process of peace and the effort it takes to get there. Also is the process of maturing into an adult, which Katara and company will do as they become leaders of their respective peoples.

    Also, I haven't figured out how lightbending will work, but Hvulpes has pretty much summed up shadowbending, where a shadowbender can manipulate natural shadows. Large shadows, like those at night, are used for concealment and infiltration, like hiding UNDERNEATH a shadow. Smaller shadows can be manipulated into planar (flat) objects, like razor sharp ribbons and blades that could cut through most objects with one slice, if the user was focused enough. More advnaced users of shadowbending can manipulate the metaphorical "darkness" in one's "heart" to??control their behavior to an extent, but not outright control them, unless they are particularly darkhearted to begin with.

    Lightbending on the other hand, has proven difficult to conceptualize, being so similar to firebending. The best example I could come up with is the way Ryoko manipulates energy in "Tenchi Muyo! OVA" to form swords and shields, but that seems limited in comparison to shadowbendings capabilities. I'm still trying to fin the balance between the two.

    Edited on 07/21/2006 7:46pm
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    DeathandDoom

    [22]Jul 22, 2006
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    How about this for lightbending - you know the weird teleporting that Hei-Bai did in Winter Solstice Part 1? Well, maybe that could be a power of lightbending. And when you said that lightbending would be a boiled-down bending style, I immediately thought of simple, quick movements that leave a light trail - like the weapons in Soul Calibur.
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    Gantros

    [23]Jul 22, 2006
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    DeathandDoom wrote:
    How about this for lightbending - you know the weird teleporting that Hei-Bai did in Winter Solstice Part 1? Well, maybe that could be a power of lightbending. And when you said that lightbending would be a boiled-down bending style, I immediately thought of simple, quick movements that leave a light trail - like the weapons in Soul Calibur.
    Maybe, but I htink that's for the benefit of following the move rather than any indication of it's speed or power. I was thinking things like this (Tenchi Muyo!):

    These are the things I had in mind for light bending, but to really get an idea for these in action, watch the first Tenchi OVA, http://www.keiichianimeforever.com/anime/onlineanime/series.html/en/tenchimuyo

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    riddler062

    [24]Jul 22, 2006
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    there is no such thing as a dark avatar!!! and if azula as you say is one then why would they have killed all the airbenders????
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    Colonel_Brian

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    Calm down it's a?? theory a very good one.
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    the_jaguarundi

    [26]Jul 22, 2006
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    Presumably the show uses the Asian elements, not the Classical elements.
    However, I would guess that the Asian elements are ultimately Classical
    in origin, transmitted to the east via Alexander (as so many other
    Greek things did, such as, say, the loutrophoros/lebes gamikos for the
    pre-nupital bath in India even today -- or Classical styles in Buddhist art).



    According to the Greek system, Aether is what the celestial
    bodies are made of. The celestial bodies is where perfection exists,
    and the spheres of aether move in perfect circles. The Eath is
    imperfect, with earth always seeking to rest at the bottom, water above
    that, air above that, and fire above that. When the soul dies, it ascends to join the aether (according to some of
    the Platonically-influenced ancients). Again, this is all Hellenistic. My undergraduate degrees are in Art History & Archaeology and in Classical Literature & Archaeology, so I mainly know about the Greco-Roman world, not the cultures of East Asia.



    Gantros, I'd still appreciate an answer to my first post in this thread (it's the second post in this thread. Much appreciated! : )


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    Gantros

    [27]Jul 22, 2006
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    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    I'm not trying to be crass, but more out of curiosity . . . what is the purpose of this? I'm unclear on what you mean by "theory." Is what you're writing out in such detail . . .

    1. Pure fanfiction? (I assume you don't mean that).
    2. What you think the show is actually pointing to, and therefore what the creators are hoping to do if the show is renewed for a fourth season?
    3. What you hope the show will end up doing? (i.e. fanfiction but something you hope to see the show do, at least in broad strokes)

    . . . If I had to guess, it'd be a mixture of #2 and #3. But I'm hoping you'll say #3, because I don't buy it. Though I do agree that there's likely more to Sozin's comet than we've been told yet.

    Man. That sounded much more confrontative than I wanted it to be. Oh well . . . I think you know the spirit of what I'm asking.

    I'm hoping my theory is correct in part. The reason I haven't let go of it is that it sounds RIGHT, like having a Dark Avatar makes sense in the progression of the story. So I have been revising the theory based on the thoughts and ideas of those who reply, while using the little loose ends to weave together a story that can be built upon post season three. When those threads tie themselves up in the show, I adjust my theory accordingly. Until there is hard evidence that the Dark Avatar cannot exist in the canon show, I will continue working toward finding a place for it.

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    Gantros

    [28]Jul 22, 2006
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    riddler062 wrote:
    there is no such thing as a dark avatar!!! and if azula as you say is one then why would they have killed all the airbenders????


    (NOTE: THEORETICAL STORYLINE!)
    Azula isn't the Dark Avatar YET. The Dark Avatar SPIRIT is still imprisoned within Sozen's Comet. While Aang will defeat Ozai at the end of Season 3, he will also destroy the Comet to prevent it being used again. This in turn, releases the Dark Avatar SPIRIT, which falls in the vicinity of the defeated Azula, who tries to absorb the power of the Comet fragment, not realizing she is also absorbing the Dark Avatar SPIRIT as well. She soon embraces the Dark Avatar Spirit for the power it gives her, control of the four elements in addition to the power of bending shadows, and thus becomes DARK AVATAR AZULA.
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    Gantros

    [29]Jul 23, 2006
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    Edited on 07/23/2006 6:28am
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    the_jaguarundi

    [30]Jul 23, 2006
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    Gantros wrote:

    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    I'm not trying to be crass, but more out of curiosity . . . what is the purpose of this? I'm unclear on what you mean by "theory." Is what you're writing out in such detail . . .

    1. Pure fanfiction? (I assume you don't mean that).
    2. What you think the show is actually pointing to, and therefore what the creators are hoping to do if the show is renewed for a fourth season?
    3. What you hope the show will end up doing? (i.e. fanfiction but something you hope to see the show do, at least in broad strokes)

    . . . If I had to guess, it'd be a mixture of #2 and #3. But I'm hoping you'll say #3, because I don't buy it. Though I do agree that there's likely more to Sozin's comet than we've been told yet.

    Man. That sounded much more confrontative than I wanted it to be. Oh well . . . I think you know the spirit of what I'm asking.

    I'm hoping my theory is correct in part. The reason I haven't let go of it is that it sounds RIGHT, like having a Dark Avatar makes sense in the progression of the story. So I have been revising the theory based on the thoughts and ideas of those who reply, while using the little loose ends to weave together a story that can be built upon post season three. When those threads tie themselves up in the show, I adjust my theory accordingly. Until there is hard evidence that the Dark Avatar cannot exist in the canon show, I will continue working toward finding a place for it.


    Thanks, Gantros! That makes sense!
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    Gantros

    [31]Jul 23, 2006
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    For an example of how lightbending could work, check out Tenchi Muyo! OAV episode one, here's the link again:

    http://www.keiichianimeforever.com/anime/onlineanime/series.html/en/tenchimuyo
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    latinblue

    [32]Jul 23, 2006
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    I'm going to resume in a few words what I feel after reading this: my head hurts! hahahahaha too much information haha, I really liked it, keep on the good job -but I don't really think the dark avatar does exist-
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    Gantros

    [33]Jul 23, 2006
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    latinblue wrote:
    I'm going to resume in a few words what I feel after reading this: my head hurts! hahahahaha too much information haha, I really liked it, keep on the good job -but I don't really think the dark avatar does exist-


    Why don't you think the Dark Avatar doesn't exist? I need information so I can adjust my theory
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    GuardiansofVeil

    [34]Jul 23, 2006
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    i have always been a fan... of this theory... just wanted to say. you have given some real thought to it and looked for information sources that could possible point to this... however... there is also no hard evidence that says that this is what actually happened. it is quite possible that the Comet could just be a power source for Firebenders... im not completely shooting down your theory because it gives hope to a 4 season and beyond... but some parts of your theory are blind.

    also... all the threads for this.. do you still have all the information and speculations that you have posted in every one on word or something... and if you do could you send it to me via PM or e-mail (OmnitrixWarrior@yahoo.com) i would really like to read it and re-watch the series to find any ways to support your theory or to find fault... because i really do think that it is something that someone should really look into and do some research for because it is that good and i am volunteering. and if you dont have all the information in one compact file or something... then i am going to find it all.. lol

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    Gantros

    [35]Jul 24, 2006
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    GuardiansofVeil wrote:

    i have always been a fan... of this theory... just wanted to say. you have given some real thought to it and looked for information sources that could possible point to this... however... there is also no hard evidence that says that this is what actually happened. it is quite possible that the Comet could just be a power source for Firebenders... im not completely shooting down your theory because it gives hope to a 4 season and beyond... but some parts of your theory are blind.

    also... all the threads for this.. do you still have all the information and speculations that you have posted in every one on word or something... and if you do could you send it to me via PM or e-mail (OmnitrixWarrior@yahoo.com) i would really like to read it and re-watch the series to find any ways to support your theory or to find fault... because i really do think that it is something that someone should really look into and do some research for because it is that good and i am volunteering. and if you dont have all the information in one compact file or something... then i am going to find it all.. lol


    Yes, what you say is true, but I put these pices together and created some of the other pieces, namely the Dark Avatar, so that these canon pieces fit together. As the show progresses, more canon pieces will reveal themselves and we'll see how it all fits together.
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    latinblue

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    GuardiansofVeil wrote:

    i have always been a fan... of this theory... just wanted to say. you have given some real thought to it and looked for information sources that could possible point to this... however... there is also no hard evidence that says that this is what actually happened. it is quite possible that the Comet could just be a power source for Firebenders... im not completely shooting down your theory because it gives hope to a 4 season and beyond... but some parts of your theory are blind.

    also... all the threads for this.. do you still have all the information and speculations that you have posted in every one on word or something... and if you do could you send it to me via PM or e-mail (OmnitrixWarrior@yahoo.com) i would really like to read it and re-watch the series to find any ways to support your theory or to find fault... because i really do think that it is something that someone should really look into and do some research for because it is that good and i am volunteering. and if you dont have all the information in one compact file or something... then i am going to find it all.. lol

    that's why lol
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    legersem

    [37]Jul 24, 2006
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    Somehow, Gantros, I still think that there should be a time period in between the defeat of Ozai and the beginning of the Dark Avatar series. It just seems a little unlikely that, even though she is possessed by the DA, Azula will be able to shadowbend so quickly. I agree that five years is a stretch but I think that??the??DA books??should start after about a year has gone by, allowing the nations time to heal and rebuild, thus there is more to detsroy when the DA comes about. If it starts immediately, then the nations will not be able to fight back after just coming off of the fight with the Fire Nation. Also, it would be nearly impossible for the other nations to accept the help of the Fire Nation so soon and there would be problems for the nations to fight together when there is still great animosity. I know that a year would not greatly help the Fire Nation either, but it woudl be a start.

    This also allows your idea for Aang to come out of the Spirit World as a teen because he would only be a year older than the end of the 3rd season.

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    Gantros

    [38]Jul 24, 2006
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    legersem wrote:

    Somehow, Gantros, I still think that there should be a time period in between the defeat of Ozai and the beginning of the Dark Avatar series. It just seems a little unlikely that, even though she is possessed by the DA, Azula will be able to shadowbend so quickly. I agree that five years is a stretch but I think that??the??DA books??should start after about a year has gone by, allowing the nations time to heal and rebuild, thus there is more to detsroy when the DA comes about. If it starts immediately, then the nations will not be able to fight back after just coming off of the fight with the Fire Nation. Also, it would be nearly impossible for the other nations to accept the help of the Fire Nation so soon and there would be problems for the nations to fight together when there is still great animosity. I know that a year would not greatly help the Fire Nation either, but it woudl be a start.

    This also allows your idea for Aang to come out of the Spirit World as a teen because he would only be a year older than the end of the 3rd season.


    I agree that there should be a time difference between seasons 3 and 4, but only to give Azula time to master the elements much like Aang did, but there should be strange occurences when Azula killed her teacher(s), be it fire or shadow related. Pehaps she could learn Airbending from scrolls left behind by Afiko the Betrayer.
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    Gantros

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    Gantros

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