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    Flamestormstar

    [3401]Aug 7, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    Before anyone even thinks of citing The Crossroads of Destiny, that was dealt with in WAT, when Katara said that she had felt like Zuko was in pain. It should be remembered that Katara is a healer; her natural instinct when confronted with a suffering being is to try and help them (think of The Painted Lady). There was no more a spark between Katara and Zuko than there was between Katara and Haru (and no matter what people might say, there was no spark between the latter - Katara said so herself in the first episode of the finale).
    ummm no one was going too we fought our war for the day get that through your head dude. but i agree with u anyways lol what did she say in the first episode of the finale?
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    speechless8582

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    Flamestormstar wrote:
    ummm no one was going too we fought our war for the day get that through your head dude. but i agree with u anyways lol what did she say in the first episode of the finale?
    you dont have to be rude.
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    Flamestormstar

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    [QUOTE="jenwenluvzutara"]
    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Wow. I leave this place for a few hours and find that my war mongering has managed to reignite the shipping wars. Cool.

    I know it's kind of late, but to whoever said that they think that Zuko and Katara have more in common than are opposites, I would like to point out that Mai and Zuko are far more compatible than Zuko and Katara.

    *raises hand* i said that, and i have to disagree.

    They both lost their mothers, and that's about it. A couple of the more crazy Zutarians now like to refer to the Southern Raiders, but that episode aside, Zuko and Katara's characters are polar opposites.

    okay, here goes. u mentioned the mother thing, right, okay. both haven't met their fathers for many years, and they both really missed him. even though zuko didn't turn good until the end, both of them have a drive to help save the world, and they gave up almost everything for it. both of them r stubborn, and they let their emotions go a little crazy at time. both of them struggled with their bending. katara had trouble because she was forbidden from learning, but fierce determination made her a master. zuko had really no particular talent in the beginning with firebending. but his persistence made him good enough to teach aang firebending, and defeat azula. both of them have sort of a good and bad side. the good side is filled with compassion and kindness. the bad side is of jealousy and rage. if the two of them have gotten together, they would start at a common ground where they understand each other, and as things develop, it would grow into a more deep and (bear with me) structured relationship.

    [/QUOTE i suppose so but all of the people have bad sides even aang and its the same for all of em so tahts the odd one out lol everyone has a good and bad side man. but i get ur point of view so im not gonna argue. But they wouldnt fit together zuko isnt kataras type really if u follow me
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    jenwenluvzutara

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    Flamestormstar wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Wow. I leave this place for a few hours and find that my war mongering has managed to reignite the shipping wars. Cool.

    I know it's kind of late, but to whoever said that they think that Zuko and Katara have more in common than are opposites, I would like to point out that Mai and Zuko are far more compatible than Zuko and Katara.

    *raises hand* i said that, and i have to disagree.

    They both lost their mothers, and that's about it. A couple of the more crazy Zutarians now like to refer to the Southern Raiders, but that episode aside, Zuko and Katara's characters are polar opposites.

    lol they do refer to taht episode because of the connection the writers made between zuko and katara but it was just zuko trying to make katara to stop hating him and think of him as a freind no offence people

    it was katara who mentioned her mother, and during that time, she broke down, and she was pretty vulnerable. zuko was kind enough to not take advantage of that, and instead comforted her.

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    Flamestormstar

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    speechless8582 wrote:
    Flamestormstar wrote:
    ummm no one was going too we fought our war for the day get that through your head dude. but i agree with u anyways lol what did she say in the first episode of the finale?
    you dont have to be rude.
    sorry XD
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    Flamestormstar

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    [QUOTE="Flamestormstar"]
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Wow. I leave this place for a few hours and find that my war mongering has managed to reignite the shipping wars. Cool.

    I know it's kind of late, but to whoever said that they think that Zuko and Katara have more in common than are opposites, I would like to point out that Mai and Zuko are far more compatible than Zuko and Katara.

    *raises hand* i said that, and i have to disagree.

    They both lost their mothers, and that's about it. A couple of the more crazy Zutarians now like to refer to the Southern Raiders, but that episode aside, Zuko and Katara's characters are polar opposites.

    okay, here goes. u mentioned the mother thing, right, okay. both haven't met their fathers for many years, and they both really missed him. even though zuko didn't turn good until the end, both of them have a drive to help save the world, and they gave up almost everything for it. both of them r stubborn, and they let their emotions go a little crazy at time. both of them struggled with their bending. katara had trouble because she was forbidden from learning, but fierce determination made her a master. zuko had really no particular talent in the beginning with firebending. but his persistence made him good enough to teach aang firebending, and defeat azula. both of them have sort of a good and bad side. the good side is filled with compassion and kindness. the bad side is of jealousy and rage. if the two of them have gotten together, they would start at a common ground where they understand each other, and as things develop, it would grow into a more deep and (bear with me) structured relationship.

    [/QUOTE i suppose so but all of the people have bad sides even aang and its the same for all of em so tahts the odd one out lol everyone has a good and bad side man. but i get ur point of view so im not gonna argue. But they wouldnt fit together zuko isnt kataras type really if u follow me
    [/QUOTE i suppose so but all of the people have bad sides even aang and its the same for all of em so tahts the odd one out lol everyone has a good and bad side man. but i get ur point of view so im not gonna argue. But they wouldnt fit together zuko isnt kataras type really if u follow me
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    Flamestormstar

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    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Flamestormstar wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Wow. I leave this place for a few hours and find that my war mongering has managed to reignite the shipping wars. Cool.

    I know it's kind of late, but to whoever said that they think that Zuko and Katara have more in common than are opposites, I would like to point out that Mai and Zuko are far more compatible than Zuko and Katara.

    *raises hand* i said that, and i have to disagree.

    They both lost their mothers, and that's about it. A couple of the more crazy Zutarians now like to refer to the Southern Raiders, but that episode aside, Zuko and Katara's characters are polar opposites.

    lol they do refer to taht episode because of the connection the writers made between zuko and katara but it was just zuko trying to make katara to stop hating him and think of him as a freind no offence people

    it was katara who mentioned her mother, and during that time, she broke down, and she was pretty vulnerable. zuko was kind enough to not take advantage of that, and instead comforted her.

    no offence but it wasnt really comforting lol but anyways i gotta go now for football practice god i wanna get it over with today and its the last time of teh week thank god ill be back later to argue with u guys bye
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    jenwenluvzutara

    [3408]Aug 7, 2008
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    Flamestormstar wrote:
    Flamestormstar wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Wow. I leave this place for a few hours and find that my war mongering has managed to reignite the shipping wars. Cool.

    I know it's kind of late, but to whoever said that they think that Zuko and Katara have more in common than are opposites, I would like to point out that Mai and Zuko are far more compatible than Zuko and Katara.

    *raises hand* i said that, and i have to disagree.

    They both lost their mothers, and that's about it. A couple of the more crazy Zutarians now like to refer to the Southern Raiders, but that episode aside, Zuko and Katara's characters are polar opposites.

    okay, here goes. u mentioned the mother thing, right, okay. both haven't met their fathers for many years, and they both really missed him. even though zuko didn't turn good until the end, both of them have a drive to help save the world, and they gave up almost everything for it. both of them r stubborn, and they let their emotions go a little crazy at time. both of them struggled with their bending. katara had trouble because she was forbidden from learning, but fierce determination made her a master. zuko had really no particular talent in the beginning with firebending. but his persistence made him good enough to teach aang firebending, and defeat azula. both of them have sort of a good and bad side. the good side is filled with compassion and kindness. the bad side is of jealousy and rage. if the two of them have gotten together, they would start at a common ground where they understand each other, and as things develop, it would grow into a more deep and (bear with me) structured relationship.

    i suppose so but all of the people have bad sides even aang and its the same for all of em so tahts the odd one out lol everyone has a good and bad side man. but i get ur point of view so im not gonna argue. But they wouldnt fit together zuko isnt kataras type really if u follow me
    [/QUOTE i suppose so but all of the people have bad sides even aang and its the same for all of em so tahts the odd one out lol everyone has a good and bad side man. but i get ur point of view so im not gonna argue. But they wouldnt fit together zuko isnt kataras type really if u follow me

    well if that's true, then wut kind of a person is zuko's type. dont say mai. if u think it's mai, then describe her.

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    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Flamestormstar wrote:
    Flamestormstar wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Wow. I leave this place for a few hours and find that my war mongering has managed to reignite the shipping wars. Cool.

    I know it's kind of late, but to whoever said that they think that Zuko and Katara have more in common than are opposites, I would like to point out that Mai and Zuko are far more compatible than Zuko and Katara.

    *raises hand* i said that, and i have to disagree.

    They both lost their mothers, and that's about it. A couple of the more crazy Zutarians now like to refer to the Southern Raiders, but that episode aside, Zuko and Katara's characters are polar opposites.

    okay, here goes. u mentioned the mother thing, right, okay. both haven't met their fathers for many years, and they both really missed him. even though zuko didn't turn good until the end, both of them have a drive to help save the world, and they gave up almost everything for it. both of them r stubborn, and they let their emotions go a little crazy at time. both of them struggled with their bending. katara had trouble because she was forbidden from learning, but fierce determination made her a master. zuko had really no particular talent in the beginning with firebending. but his persistence made him good enough to teach aang firebending, and defeat azula. both of them have sort of a good and bad side. the good side is filled with compassion and kindness. the bad side is of jealousy and rage. if the two of them have gotten together, they would start at a common ground where they understand each other, and as things develop, it would grow into a more deep and (bear with me) structured relationship.

    i suppose so but all of the people have bad sides even aang and its the same for all of em so tahts the odd one out lol everyone has a good and bad side man. but i get ur point of view so im not gonna argue. But they wouldnt fit together zuko isnt kataras type really if u follow me
    [/QUOTE i suppose so but all of the people have bad sides even aang and its the same for all of em so tahts the odd one out lol everyone has a good and bad side man. but i get ur point of view so im not gonna argue. But they wouldnt fit together zuko isnt kataras type really if u follow me

    well if that's true, then wut kind of a person is zuko's type. dont say mai. if u think it's mai, then describe her.

    sorta easy temper and not much emotion
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    Axrendale

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    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Wow. I leave this place for a few hours and find that my war mongering has managed to reignite the shipping wars. Cool.

    I know it's kind of late, but to whoever said that they think that Zuko and Katara have more in common than are opposites, I would like to point out that Mai and Zuko are far more compatible than Zuko and Katara.

    *raises hand* i said that, and i have to disagree.

    They both lost their mothers, and that's about it. A couple of the more crazy Zutarians now like to refer to the Southern Raiders, but that episode aside, Zuko and Katara's characters are polar opposites.

    okay, here goes. u mentioned the mother thing, right, okay. both haven't met their fathers for many years, and they both really missed him. even though zuko didn't turn good until the end, both of them have a drive to help save the world, and they gave up almost everything for it. both of them r stubborn, and they let their emotions go a little crazy at time. both of them struggled with their bending. katara had trouble because she was forbidden from learning, but fierce determination made her a master. zuko had really no particular talent in the beginning with firebending. but his persistence made him good enough to teach aang firebending, and defeat azula. both of them have sort of a good and bad side. the good side is filled with compassion and kindness. the bad side is of jealousy and rage. if the two of them have gotten together, they would start at a common ground where they understand each other, and as things develop, it would grow into a more deep and (bear with me) structured relationship.

    The fathers thing is fairly different. Ozai and Hakkoda were set up in The Awakening as foils for eachother; the two had very different issues with their children. It should be remembered that Mai also had difficult relations with her parents. Most of the main characters have a drive to save the world and gave up almost everything for it, Aang for instance. And Katara didn't struggle with her bending. Her only problem was finding a teacher. Once Pakku accepted her as a student she advanced through the levels far faster than any student he had ever taught. In that regard she parallels Azula far more than Zuko. As for the good side/bad side, that doesn't really hold up. The only episode where we saw anything approaching a bad side in Katara was TSR, and that had to be provoked by the man who had killed her mother, and even then she held back (when Zuko was obviously willing to do it, incidently). So Katara is completely dominated by her "good side". As for Zuko, iit's not exactly a "bad side", but it is certainly a much more ruthless one than Katara's that dominates him. So apart from occaisonal slips, the two are completely dominated by two different opposing character aspects. If thhe two had gotten together, the simple fact is that they would most likely have clashed on almost all issues.

    So basically, the only part of your argument that holds up is the part about how they both sometimes lose their tempers. Katara loses her temper far less easily than Zuko, and in any case, the shared trait of easily losing your temper does not strike me as something that is going to start a relationship and keep it working (quite the opposite actually).

    This is really fun

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    isabelwhatx

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    I leave for TWO HOURS to go to the dentist and there are 112 new posts! THE AVATAR FORUM IS BACK! But, also, we've got to keep in mind not JUST to shoot down the Zutarians but to also promote the superior Kataang. Let me just list some reasons why Kataang should (and has) prevail(ed).

    1. Katara and Aang have OBVIOUSLY shown attraction to eachother since day one. If you rewatch season 1 (which I am doing now) their passion for each other is quite blunt.
    2. Katara and Aang both need eachother. Aang needs Katara to help him see reason. In some of the earlier episodes, Aang entered the Avatar state out of anger or other extreme negative feelings. Katara helped him come out of it. Aang also helps Katara see reason. As discussed, Katara can have major mood swings. Aang, being a follower of something painstakingly similar to Buddhism, can explain to her why taking such rash actions is not the answer.
    3. Aang is very childlike, while Katara is more motherly. They both balance each other out quite nicely. While Aang can show Katara how to have more fun, Katara can also show Aang how to be a bit more mature.
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    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Wow. I leave this place for a few hours and find that my war mongering has managed to reignite the shipping wars. Cool.

    I know it's kind of late, but to whoever said that they think that Zuko and Katara have more in common than are opposites, I would like to point out that Mai and Zuko are far more compatible than Zuko and Katara.

    *raises hand* i said that, and i have to disagree.

    They both lost their mothers, and that's about it. A couple of the more crazy Zutarians now like to refer to the Southern Raiders, but that episode aside, Zuko and Katara's characters are polar opposites.

    okay, here goes. u mentioned the mother thing, right, okay. both haven't met their fathers for many years, and they both really missed him. even though zuko didn't turn good until the end, both of them have a drive to help save the world, and they gave up almost everything for it. both of them r stubborn, and they let their emotions go a little crazy at time. both of them struggled with their bending. katara had trouble because she was forbidden from learning, but fierce determination made her a master. zuko had really no particular talent in the beginning with firebending. but his persistence made him good enough to teach aang firebending, and defeat azula. both of them have sort of a good and bad side. the good side is filled with compassion and kindness. the bad side is of jealousy and rage. if the two of them have gotten together, they would start at a common ground where they understand each other, and as things develop, it would grow into a more deep and (bear with me) structured relationship.

    The fathers thing is fairly different. Ozai and Hakkoda were set up in The Awakening as foils for eachother; the two had very different issues with their children. It should be remembered that Mai also had difficult relations with her parents. Most of the main characters have a drive to save the world and gave up almost everything for it, Aang for instance. And Katara didn't struggle with her bending. Her only problem was finding a teacher. Once Pakku accepted her as a student she advanced through the levels far faster than any student he had ever taught. In that regard she parallels Azula far more than Zuko. As for the good side/bad side, that doesn't really hold up. The only episode where we saw anything approaching a bad side in Katara was TSR, and that had to be provoked by the man who had killed her mother, and even then she held back (when Zuko was obviously willing to do it, incidently). So Katara is completely dominated by her "good side". As for Zuko, iit's not exactly a "bad side", but it is certainly a much more ruthless one than Katara's that dominates him. So apart from occaisonal slips, the two are completely dominated by two different opposing character aspects. If thhe two had gotten together, the simple fact is that they would most likely have clashed on almost all issues.

    So basically, the only part of your argument that holds up is the part about how they both sometimes lose their tempers. Katara loses her temper far less easily than Zuko, and in any case, the shared trait of easily losing your temper does not strike me as something that is going to start a relationship and keep it working (quite the opposite actually).

    This is really fun

    as far as katara's struggling, she had the talent, but no teacher, so she taught herself in the first season. the fathers thing was mentioned because regardless of the different issues, zuko and katara both missed him. aang lost a lot, his drive for saving the world is sometime fogged up because of fear. the good/bad side thing was mentioned because well, they have both sides. u're right about how one side dominates the other, but they HAVE both sides. i met this one married couple where the man was a little hot headed, but he also had the compassionate side of him. the woman was more compassionate than hot headed. if the man was all hot headed and the woman was all compassionate, then things couldn't work out, but since there is a little of the other side, they were able to compliment each other in a way where the man became more friendly and the woman became more opinionated to speak her mind.

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    jenwenluvzutara

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I leave for TWO HOURS to go to the dentist and there are 112 new posts! THE AVATAR FORUM IS BACK! But, also, we've got to keep in mind not JUST to shoot down the Zutarians but to also promote the superior Kataang. Let me just list some reasons why Kataang should (and has) prevail(ed).
    1. Katara and Aang have OBVIOUSLY shown attraction to eachother since day one. If you rewatch season 1 (which I am doing now) their passion for each other is quite blunt.
    2. Katara and Aang both need eachother. Aang needs Katara to help him see reason. In some of the earlier episodes, Aang entered the Avatar state out of anger or other extreme negative feelings. Katara helped him come out of it. Aang also helps Katara see reason. As discussed, Katara can have major mood swings. Aang, being a follower of something painstakingly similar to Buddhism, can explain to her why taking such rash actions is not the answer.
    3. Aang is very childlike, while Katara is more motherly. They both balance each other out quite nicely. While Aang can show Katara how to have more fun, Katara can also show Aang how to be a bit more mature.

    u dont have to shoot us down. let's just discuss!

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    Axrendale

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    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Wow. I leave this place for a few hours and find that my war mongering has managed to reignite the shipping wars. Cool.

    I know it's kind of late, but to whoever said that they think that Zuko and Katara have more in common than are opposites, I would like to point out that Mai and Zuko are far more compatible than Zuko and Katara.

    *raises hand* i said that, and i have to disagree.

    They both lost their mothers, and that's about it. A couple of the more crazy Zutarians now like to refer to the Southern Raiders, but that episode aside, Zuko and Katara's characters are polar opposites.

    okay, here goes. u mentioned the mother thing, right, okay. both haven't met their fathers for many years, and they both really missed him. even though zuko didn't turn good until the end, both of them have a drive to help save the world, and they gave up almost everything for it. both of them r stubborn, and they let their emotions go a little crazy at time. both of them struggled with their bending. katara had trouble because she was forbidden from learning, but fierce determination made her a master. zuko had really no particular talent in the beginning with firebending. but his persistence made him good enough to teach aang firebending, and defeat azula. both of them have sort of a good and bad side. the good side is filled with compassion and kindness. the bad side is of jealousy and rage. if the two of them have gotten together, they would start at a common ground where they understand each other, and as things develop, it would grow into a more deep and (bear with me) structured relationship.

    The fathers thing is fairly different. Ozai and Hakkoda were set up in The Awakening as foils for eachother; the two had very different issues with their children. It should be remembered that Mai also had difficult relations with her parents. Most of the main characters have a drive to save the world and gave up almost everything for it, Aang for instance. And Katara didn't struggle with her bending. Her only problem was finding a teacher. Once Pakku accepted her as a student she advanced through the levels far faster than any student he had ever taught. In that regard she parallels Azula far more than Zuko. As for the good side/bad side, that doesn't really hold up. The only episode where we saw anything approaching a bad side in Katara was TSR, and that had to be provoked by the man who had killed her mother, and even then she held back (when Zuko was obviously willing to do it, incidently). So Katara is completely dominated by her "good side". As for Zuko, iit's not exactly a "bad side", but it is certainly a much more ruthless one than Katara's that dominates him. So apart from occaisonal slips, the two are completely dominated by two different opposing character aspects. If thhe two had gotten together, the simple fact is that they would most likely have clashed on almost all issues.

    So basically, the only part of your argument that holds up is the part about how they both sometimes lose their tempers. Katara loses her temper far less easily than Zuko, and in any case, the shared trait of easily losing your temper does not strike me as something that is going to start a relationship and keep it working (quite the opposite actually).

    This is really fun

    as far as katara's struggling, she had the talent, but no teacher, so she taught herself in the first season. the fathers thing was mentioned because regardless of the different issues, zuko and katara both missed him. aang lost a lot, his drive for saving the world is sometime fogged up because of fear. the good/bad side thing was mentioned because well, they have both sides. u're right about how one side dominates the other, but they HAVE both sides. i met this one married couple where the man was a little hot headed, but he also had the compassionate side of him. the woman was more compassionate than hot headed. if the man was all hot headed and the woman was all compassionate, then things couldn't work out, but since there is a little of the other side, they were able to compliment each other in a way where the man became more friendly and the woman became more opinionated to speak her mind.

    Actually, I maintain that the fathers issue was quite different. Zuko wanted to be loved and accepted by his father, and when they met again, recieved neither. Katara knew that her father loved her and accepted her, her problem with him was that she was angry at him for leaving them behind. If episodes 301 - 309 are any indication of what things were like prior to his banishing Zuko did not see a lot of his father. He didn't mind that though; simply wanting the love.

    The example you mentioned sounds like the two are somewhat moderatly different; I maintain that Zuko and Katara are still complete opposites who would clash on almost everything.

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    isabelwhatx

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    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    the fathers thing was mentioned because regardless of the different issues, zuko and katara both missed him. aang lost a lot, his drive for saving the world is sometime fogged up because of fear.

    1. Zuko did not miss his father in any way, shape, or form. Zuko missed his honor. He wanted his father to love him, but Zuko didn't love his father. Katara loved her father, and knew that he loved her. It was too VERY different types of father-figure absences. And Aang's drive isn't fogged up by fear, because his drive IS fear, with I think is justified. It's a bit scary to think that the Fire Nation rules everything. If he had a different type of drive, frankly, I would be a bit scared for his mental health.
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    Axrendale

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I leave for TWO HOURS to go to the dentist and there are 112 new posts! THE AVATAR FORUM IS BACK! But, also, we've got to keep in mind not JUST to shoot down the Zutarians but to also promote the superior Kataang. Let me just list some reasons why Kataang should (and has) prevail(ed).
    1. Katara and Aang have OBVIOUSLY shown attraction to eachother since day one. If you rewatch season 1 (which I am doing now) their passion for each other is quite blunt.
    2. Katara and Aang both need eachother. Aang needs Katara to help him see reason. In some of the earlier episodes, Aang entered the Avatar state out of anger or other extreme negative feelings. Katara helped him come out of it. Aang also helps Katara see reason. As discussed, Katara can have major mood swings. Aang, being a follower of something painstakingly similar to Buddhism, can explain to her why taking such rash actions is not the answer.
    3. Aang is very childlike, while Katara is more motherly. They both balance each other out quite nicely. While Aang can show Katara how to have more fun, Katara can also show Aang how to be a bit more mature.

    We need to work out our strategy. I'm good at shooting down ideas, so I'll concentarte on that. I think that you're pretty good at promoting Kataang, so you can work on that. If we work together, we can vanquish Zutara once and for all - it is a battlefield after all.

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    jenwenluvzutara

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    the fathers thing was mentioned because regardless of the different issues, zuko and katara both missed him. aang lost a lot, his drive for saving the world is sometime fogged up because of fear.
    1. Zuko did not miss his father in any way, shape, or form. Zuko missed his honor. He wanted his father to love him, but Zuko didn't love his father. Katara loved her father, and knew that he loved her. It was too VERY different types of father-figure absences. And Aang's drive isn't fogged up by fear, because his drive IS fear, with I think is justified. It's a bit scary to think that the Fire Nation rules everything. If he had a different type of drive, frankly, I would be a bit scared for his mental health.

    i still think he did miss his father at one time, which was the beginning of season 2, but only for two episodes. i think we're both right on the fear part. aang was driven by fear, but it was also fear that made him run away, and in the finale want to wait until after the comet to face the firelord.

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    isabelwhatx

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    jenwenluvzutara wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    the fathers thing was mentioned because regardless of the different issues, zuko and katara both missed him. aang lost a lot, his drive for saving the world is sometime fogged up because of fear.
    1. Zuko did not miss his father in any way, shape, or form. Zuko missed his honor. He wanted his father to love him, but Zuko didn't love his father. Katara loved her father, and knew that he loved her. It was too VERY different types of father-figure absences. And Aang's drive isn't fogged up by fear, because his drive IS fear, with I think is justified. It's a bit scary to think that the Fire Nation rules everything. If he had a different type of drive, frankly, I would be a bit scared for his mental health.

    i still think he did miss his father at one time, which was the beginning of season 2, but only for two episodes. i think we're both right on the fear part. aang was driven by fear, but it was also fear that made him run away, and in the finale want to wait until after the comet to face the firelord.


    1. He never missed his father. There was nothing to miss. He never had any happy memories of his father. Just as Ursa obviously favored Zuko, Ozai obviously favored Azula.
    2. It was not fear that made him wait until after the comet, it was common sense. No one is stupid enough to face the most powerful fire bender on earth when their energy is amplified by 100 if they can avoid it.
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    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
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    Axrendale wrote:

    Wow. I leave this place for a few hours and find that my war mongering has managed to reignite the shipping wars. Cool.

    I know it's kind of late, but to whoever said that they think that Zuko and Katara have more in common than are opposites, I would like to point out that Mai and Zuko are far more compatible than Zuko and Katara.

    *raises hand* i said that, and i have to disagree.

    They both lost their mothers, and that's about it. A couple of the more crazy Zutarians now like to refer to the Southern Raiders, but that episode aside, Zuko and Katara's characters are polar opposites.

    okay, here goes. u mentioned the mother thing, right, okay. both haven't met their fathers for many years, and they both really missed him. even though zuko didn't turn good until the end, both of them have a drive to help save the world, and they gave up almost everything for it. both of them r stubborn, and they let their emotions go a little crazy at time. both of them struggled with their bending. katara had trouble because she was forbidden from learning, but fierce determination made her a master. zuko had really no particular talent in the beginning with firebending. but his persistence made him good enough to teach aang firebending, and defeat azula. both of them have sort of a good and bad side. the good side is filled with compassion and kindness. the bad side is of jealousy and rage. if the two of them have gotten together, they would start at a common ground where they understand each other, and as things develop, it would grow into a more deep and (bear with me) structured relationship.

    The fathers thing is fairly different. Ozai and Hakkoda were set up in The Awakening as foils for eachother; the two had very different issues with their children. It should be remembered that Mai also had difficult relations with her parents. Most of the main characters have a drive to save the world and gave up almost everything for it, Aang for instance. And Katara didn't struggle with her bending. Her only problem was finding a teacher. Once Pakku accepted her as a student she advanced through the levels far faster than any student he had ever taught. In that regard she parallels Azula far more than Zuko. As for the good side/bad side, that doesn't really hold up. The only episode where we saw anything approaching a bad side in Katara was TSR, and that had to be provoked by the man who had killed her mother, and even then she held back (when Zuko was obviously willing to do it, incidently). So Katara is completely dominated by her "good side". As for Zuko, iit's not exactly a "bad side", but it is certainly a much more ruthless one than Katara's that dominates him. So apart from occaisonal slips, the two are completely dominated by two different opposing character aspects. If thhe two had gotten together, the simple fact is that they would most likely have clashed on almost all issues.

    So basically, the only part of your argument that holds up is the part about how they both sometimes lose their tempers. Katara loses her temper far less easily than Zuko, and in any case, the shared trait of easily losing your temper does not strike me as something that is going to start a relationship and keep it working (quite the opposite actually).

    This is really fun

    as far as katara's struggling, she had the talent, but no teacher, so she taught herself in the first season. the fathers thing was mentioned because regardless of the different issues, zuko and katara both missed him. aang lost a lot, his drive for saving the world is sometime fogged up because of fear. the good/bad side thing was mentioned because well, they have both sides. u're right about how one side dominates the other, but they HAVE both sides. i met this one married couple where the man was a little hot headed, but he also had the compassionate side of him. the woman was more compassionate than hot headed. if the man was all hot headed and the woman was all compassionate, then things couldn't work out, but since there is a little of the other side, they were able to compliment each other in a way where the man became more friendly and the woman became more opinionated to speak her mind.

    Actually, I maintain that the fathers issue was quite different. Zuko wanted to be loved and accepted by his father, and when they met again, recieved neither. Katara knew that her father loved her and accepted her, her problem with him was that she was angry at him for leaving them behind. If episodes 301 - 309 are any indication of what things were like prior to his banishing Zuko did not see a lot of his father. He didn't mind that though; simply wanting the love.

    The example you mentioned sounds like the two are somewhat moderatly different; I maintain that Zuko and Katara are still complete opposites who would clash on almost everything.

    im taking this from isabelwhatx. isabelwhatx said that aang is childish and katara's motherly, and that the difference would compliment each other to be different. wouldn't zuko and katara's difference compliment them to be different?

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    isabelwhatx

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    Axrendale wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I leave for TWO HOURS to go to the dentist and there are 112 new posts! THE AVATAR FORUM IS BACK! But, also, we've got to keep in mind not JUST to shoot down the Zutarians but to also promote the superior Kataang. Let me just list some reasons why Kataang should (and has) prevail(ed).
    1. Katara and Aang have OBVIOUSLY shown attraction to eachother since day one. If you rewatch season 1 (which I am doing now) their passion for each other is quite blunt.
    2. Katara and Aang both need eachother. Aang needs Katara to help him see reason. In some of the earlier episodes, Aang entered the Avatar state out of anger or other extreme negative feelings. Katara helped him come out of it. Aang also helps Katara see reason. As discussed, Katara can have major mood swings. Aang, being a follower of something painstakingly similar to Buddhism, can explain to her why taking such rash actions is not the answer.
    3. Aang is very childlike, while Katara is more motherly. They both balance each other out quite nicely. While Aang can show Katara how to have more fun, Katara can also show Aang how to be a bit more mature.

    We need to work out our strategy. I'm good at shooting down ideas, so I'll concentarte on that. I think that you're pretty good at promoting Kataang, so you can work on that. If we work together, we can vanquish Zutara once and for all - it is a battlefield after all.


    We will triumph. We've done it before, we can do it again. KATAANG POWER!
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